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"in 1999 Baker walked out of Talk Radio after station management wanted to move his show to a Saturday morning"
Actually, Baker had already been presenting a lunchtime show as well as his evening programme for about a year for the station but at the start of 1999 moved to a four hour slot starting at 8am on Saturdays which lasted two weeks before he was sacked supposedly for not talking about football enough (something they'd not previously been that bothered about, if anyone remembers those shows) News piece: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,323823,00.html
No citation provided for "Big Spud" epithet.--Westminsterboy 07:45, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
err..This article seems like it was written by the subject.
I have never heard this Bob Marley story before, and can find no factual sources on the interweb - from where did it come? --kylet 14:27, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
was danny baker ever used in an advertising campaign for a joke product named "brain floss"? i remember it from my childhood, and looking at some google image searches of the product, it looks possible but not certain. If anyone could clear up this confusion i'd be very grateful...
I have started a discussion at Template talk:The Apprentice UK proposing the removal of template ((The Apprentice UK)) from this article (and the articles on other celebrities having appeared in the show). Please contribute your opinions to a discussion there. └ UkPaolo/talk┐ 10:04, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone have a source for the Doctor Who casting? It appears to be unsubstantiated rumor, as far as I can tell. I'm removing it, but feel free to put it back with an appropriate attribution. -Shadowsong 20:05, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know why Baker uses Margaret Rutherford as his BBC email address? If they do then I'm sure it's worthy of a mention in the article. --JimmyTheWig 15:10, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Could someone more skilled than me please re-place the paragraph connected to Radio 5/606 that tells us that Danny Kelly came in to do the papers, the one with Univ of Turmoil in it? The info is categorically incorrect. The Turmoil Years were part of the Radio 1 Saturday Morning shows and had nothing at all with any programmes Danny B. on football. 88.110.252.149 (talk) 13:50, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
The football videos didn't lead to his presenting 606 - quite the opposite. He was already well-known as 606's presenter when the videos first came out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.185.144.120 (talk) 00:07, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Aye he were saying this on the radio this mornin' - Desert Island Discs - "the last year it was possible" he said (or words to that effect). That sounded odd to me 'cos I'm ten years older than Mr. Baker and I don't remember pupils leaving school at 14.
In my day you could leave at the end of the term in which you became 15 - so there were pupils who left before Easter and Christmas. In Mr Baker's case as he was born in June that would still have meant his leaving school at the end of the academic year. Maybe he was allowed to leave a few weeks before the end of the summer term - a few weeks, that is, before his 15th birthday.
He mentioned that the year he left school was the last year one could leave at 14.
1972, when Mr. Baker became 15, was the year in which the school leaving age was raised from 15 to 16.
He was certainly in the last cohort that could leave school at 15. If there were fellow pupils in his year born in August they might well have been working at the age of 14 having legally left school a few weeks beforehand.
If Mr. Baker was working at 14 he seems to have left school earlier than he should have done.
Ned
5th August 2011 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.155.193.205 (talk) 19:47, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
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Good biographical information, but could use more external references. Needs an infobox and photograph └ UkPaolo/talk┐ 10:19, 11 March 2007 (UTC) |
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The article at present claims that the controversial picture, which Baker claims is his 'go-to photograph when posh people walk out or have kids' (how dare they), shows 'a chimpanzee in a top hat leaving a hospital'. This is mistaken. Baker claims the chimp is wearing a top hat, for class-hate reasons, but the hat is clearly a bowler. Nor does the picture have anything to do with hospitals. It shows a well-dressed couple c.1930 holding hands with a chimp which is sadly and rather disgracefully dressed in an overcoat and a bowler and carrying a cane. The three are standing on the entrance steps of a building, but there's nothing to suggest it's a hospital.
Baker has stated to Sky News that 'I'm well aware of the centuries-old trope linking race and primates.' His excuse, however, despite his admission that he knew the royal baby's name was Archie, is that he did not know who the mother was. 'I had no idea, until after about eight minutes somebody said, "That's Meghan Whatsit's baby" -- Ooh! Down, down, down! Anyone... People say you *must* know she was... I know *she* is... but the House of Windsor these days, apart from the Old Firm... I genuinely didn't! ...I did it because I didn't know it was Princess Howsyourfather.' Notice, again, that he admits knowing the baby's name, then says he didn't know the mother's identity, then says he knows who Meghan is and that she's mixed-race (though he can't bring himself to utter the term), then pretends he's forgotten her name again. https://news.sky.com/story/danny-baker-sorry-over-stupid-chimp-tweet-about-royal-baby-archie-11715152
Baker repeated the extraordinary claim that, despite knowing the baby's name, he had no idea who the mother was (even though he admits to being perfectly well aware of Meghan, and of her mixed-race heritage), on James O'Brien's LBC radio show. https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/danny-bakers-first-interview-since-being-sacked-by/
On Twitter, he claimed, 'Would have used same stupid pic for any other Royal birth,' but as far as anyone knows he did not in fact do so for the births of any of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge's three children, nor has he claimed that he did. (Nor did he tweet that picture to mark the births of his friend Chris Evans's children, even though Evans is super-rich showbiz royalty and owns one of the world's best-known Ferrari collections, which would count as 'posh' by any realistic measure.) The BBC, whom Baker has criticised for 'faux-gravity' in sacking him, made this observation: 'It's the second time Baker has been axed by 5 Live and is the third time he has left the BBC.
In 1997, he was fired for encouraging football fans to make a referee's life hell after the official had awarded a controversial penalty in an FA Cup tie.
He later claimed he had never incited fans to attack the referee, only that he would have understood if they had.' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-48212693
It's of some interest that one or two other rich media celebrities, namely Dara O'Briain and Jon Ronson (and these people are a lot richer than you think they are, you know -- don't be fooled just because they don't wear top hats), have lined up on Twitter to defend Baker's conduct and deplore his inevitable sacking. Khamba Tendal (talk) 18:15, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
Interestingly, to indicate the hotness of the topic and the potential damage to celebrity careers, shortly after I posted the above, Jon Ronson tactically deleted everything he had tweeted in support of Baker's inexcusable conduct. 'I just deleted every tweet about the incident in question, because I’m going to be off twitter for the rest of the evening and I don’t want to be worrying about anything bad happening / being misconstrued/ whatever. Like fireflies they burned brightly and are gone.' https://twitter.com/jonronson/status/1126523722280648705 Khamba Tendal (talk) 19:10, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
'In 2019 Baker was fired by the BBC after posting a Tweet that compared a mixed race baby to a chimpanzee' should be changed to 'In 2019 Baker was fired by the BBC after posting a Tweet that appeared to compare the mixed race baby to a chimpanzee.'. His intentions are in dispute.
User:Abductive, I'm concerned about your repeated removal of referenced information from this article. Three times now you have removed text, not because it lacks Reliable Sources, but because it makes note of opinions with which you disagree. Specifically, on three occasions you've removed mention of the fact that some people, including a number of comparatively high-profile figures in British social life, have criticised the BBC for sacking Baker. On two occasions you've also removed mention of the fact that the BBC sacked Baker to start with (which I assume is simply an error on your part, but correct me if I am wrong). It seems clear from your edit summaries that you regard those who believe the BBC over-reacted to the incident to be engaged in "Whitewashing apologetics" and feel that theirs is a "racist response". Now, that's fine. I'm not criticising you for your opinion. But that does not mean that you can just remove information because you think that these people's viewpoints suddenly become un-notable or don't matter. That's not how Wikipedia works.
Moreover, you've also accused me of sharing those views and of trying to "whitewash" this article and of trying to "POV-push" to defend Baker. Respectfully, I think it very clear that the POV issue lies with you. Let's be clear: it's not up to you—or me, or anyone else—to censor certain opinions, which have received coverage in the press, because we may perceive them to be racist or otherwise bigoted, immoral, or just plain wrong. I ask that you allow the information that you have repeatedly removed to be restored. If you would like to see it augmented with reference to high-profile figures who defend the BBC's decision then I would be perfectly happy with that. If, however, you continue to want to remove this information then we shall have to take the issue to RfC. Midnightblueowl (talk) 10:24, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
I don't think that BBC "controversial" departures are a particular blatant. That is someone's opinion, but the comparison has been sourced (Wikipedia:OR#Reliable sources) by authoritative press. It concerns a list of consensual resignations or sackings about historical personalities of the BBC radio channel. If a comparison with Danny Baker's sacking seems to be WP:OR, this kind of informations may be hopefully moved in the future to another WP article, like the BBC:history. I am sorry if my edit on 10 May has produced something similar to an edit war in this article.Micheledisaveriosp (talk) 08:39, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
The consensus is that this article should not include the proposed referenced sentences on the BBC's sacking of Baker and its aftermath.
Cunard (talk) 23:49, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
Basic question: Should the article include the following referenced text at the end of the paragraph in the "Sacking by the BBC (2019)" sub-section? Midnightblueowl (talk) 10:18, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
That day, the BBC fired him,[1] a decision Baker described as "a masterclass of pompous faux-gravity".[1] The corporation faced criticism from those accusing it of over-reacting,[2] including by the broadcaster Janet Street-Porter,[3] and comedian Dara Ó Briain.[4]
References
Context: This text was added to the article in the aftermath of Baker's sacking on 9 May. It was removed by another editor who suggested that it gave attention to racist viewpoints [1] and was critical of the fact that it cited two op-eds, which they believed were not Reliable Sources [2]. A Talk Page discussion ensued (above) but led nowhere. Midnightblueowl (talk) 10:18, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
"In May 2019, Baker posted an image on Twitter of a couple holding hands with a chimpanzee dressed in clothes with the caption: "Royal Baby leaves hospital," referring to the recent birth of Archie Mountbatten-Windsor, son of Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex.[23] Baker was subject to a backlash on social media, accused of mocking the Duchess of Sussex's African American heritage with the tweet.[23] Baker deleted the tweet and apologized, stating that he had made a mistake tweeting the image, that it was "ill advised, ill thought-out and stupid, but racist? No..." [23][24] Baker was sacked by the BBC (do we have a date for the sacking?), which said he showed a "serious error of judgement" over his tweet. Baker did not agree with the BBC's decision to sack him for his "enormous mistake"; he did have some support for his position from media personalities such as the broadcaster Janet Street-Porter and comedian Dara Ó Briain.
Cynistrategus (talk) 06:19, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
Danny Baker lives in one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.196.159.89 (talk) 16:31, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
I propose merging All Day Breakfast Show into Danny_Baker#All_Day_Breakfast_Show_podcasts_(2007). I think the content in All Day Breakfast Show can easily be explained in the context of Danny Baker, and a merger would not cause any article-size or weighting problems in Danny Baker considering it already has a section. I also don't think All Day Breakfast Show is notable and merging seems like a preferable WP:ATD. TipsyElephant (talk) 17:53, 17 May 2022 (UTC)