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What about this information???... who eliminated it???... why is it not included in here as it is quite fundamental regarding this company??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.14.44.23 (talk) 16:47, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Don't think that there's any basis for stating there's a discrepancy to be honest. Someone would have to do some serious investigation work to prove it anyway. Ironically, this part of the article was actually removed before I could remove it. --24.61.183.36 (talk) 04:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
How 'bout this latest news: Diebold has a single key design that opens every voting machine, and they posted a picture of the key on their own site. The key can be, and was, duplicated from that photo, and as has been proven by Princeton, all a hacker needs is 60 seconds with an open machine to infect it, and all connected machines, with a virus. [1] and [2]
Question: How wide spread is the use of diebold voting machines? Anyone have info on this?
I have seen them as far away as small ferry ports in Thailand, File:Http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/7451/operationstatusvb8.jpg
The following quotes are really flamebait.
The may also be copyright, though fair use could cover our use. Noting that there is controversy about the election systems is on topic. Noting that documents exist, and links to them is on topic. The exceprts are not - at least not now when they make up the majority of the artical. One good sample might a good idea though.
“Elections are not rocket science. Why is it so hard to get things right! I have never been at any other company that has been so miss [sic] managed.” [3]
“I have become increasingly concerned about the apparent lack of concern over the practice of writing contracts to provide products and services which do not exist and then attempting to build these items on an unreasonable timetable with no written plan, little to no time for testing, and minimal resources. It also seems to be an accepted practice to exaggerate our progress and functionality to our customers and ourselves then make excuses at delivery time when these products and services do not meet expectations.” [4]
“I feel that over the next year, if the current management team stays in place, the Global [Election Management System] working environment will continue to be a chaotic mess. Global management has and will be doing the best to keep their jobs at the expense of employees. Unrealistic goals will be placed on current employees, they will fail to achieve them. If Diebold wants to keep things the same for the time being, this will only compound an already dysfunctional company. Due to the lack of leadership, vision, and self-preserving nature of the current management, the future growth of this company will continue to stagnate until change comes.” [5]
“[T]he bugzilla historic data recovery process is complete. Some bugs were irrecoverably lost and they will have to be re-found and re-submitted, but overall the loss was relatively minor.” [6]
“28 of 114 or about 1 in 4 precincts called in this AM with either memory card issues "please re-insert", units that wouldn't take ballots - even after recycling power, or units that needed to be recycled. We reburned 7 memory cards, 4 of which we didn't need to, but they were far enough away that we didn't know what we'd find when we got there (bad rover communication).” [7]
“If voting could really change things, it would be illegal.” [8]
“I need some answers! Our department is being audited by the County. I have been waiting for someone to give me an explanation as to why Precinct 216 gave Al Gore a minus 16022 when it was uploaded. Will someone please explain this so that I have the information to give the auditor instead of standing here "looking dumb".” [9]
“[...] while reading some of Paranoid Bev’s scribbling.” [10]
“Johnson County, KS will be doing Central Count for their mail in ballots. They will also be processing these ballots in advance of the closing of polls on election day. They would like to log into the Audit Log an entry for Previewing any Election Total Reports. They need this, to prove to the media, as well as, any candidates & lawyers, that they did not view or print any Election Results before the Polls closed. However, if there is a way that we can disable the reporting functionality, that would be even better.” [11] (emphasis added)
“4K Smart cards which had never been previously programmed are being recognized by the Card Manager as manager cards. When a virgin card from CardLogix is inserted into a Spyrus (have tried CM-0-2-9 and CM-1-1-1) the prompt "Upgrade Mgr Card?" is displayed. Pressing the ENTER key creates a valid manager card. This happens in Admin mode and Election mode.” [12] One Member's Position
This article is not an article at all. It's a journalistic hit piece. I do not like black box voting at all and Diebold sounds like horrible (not to mention doomed) technology to me (I prefer paper or punch card systems), but this article is so POV and so poorly written that I could barely scratch the surface when trying to NPOV it. I strongly suspect it would be better to throw it out and start over again. Has anyone remotely capable of dispassionate writing authored any of this article? Daniel Quinlan 09:52, Nov 10, 2003 (UTC)
Working on the NPOV edits (more like rewrite). I have a question about the statement that "The software architecture common to both [Election Systems & Software, Inc. and Diebold Election Systems, Inc.] is a creation of Mr. Urosevich's company I-Mark." I can't find any support for this statement, and I get the sense that it is a misconception. Can anyone confirm or deny this statement? I'll look into it further later on. Right now, I'm going to sleep. -- Anthony DiPierro 09:12, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Jim March, an electronic voting activist, has made a number of posts on slashdot with some excellent information: [14] [15] [16]. They include a lot of interesting information, like how the head programmer of the GEMS system was previously arrested for computer-aided accounting fraud. This should probably be integrated into the article in an NPOV manner. --NeuronExMachina 07:42, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Smuj added :
While this is true, it shouldn't just be stuck at the top of the article like it was. --Whosyourjudas (talk) 02:02, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Is there any reason to have a separate article at Diebold Election Systems? It would make sense if there were a lot to say about Diebold relating to its other divisions or general corporate history or whatever, but the Diebold article is entirely about voting machines. I don't know how much anyone would ever be moved to write about Diebold's ATM machines and the like. I suggest merging the DES information here and converting Diebold Election Systems into a redirect. JamesMLane 07:21, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I pulled *this* tidbit out for grammar and verification reasons. I would like a cite for Procomp being involved with Diebold Election systems, and this should probably go in the Diebold Election Systems article. "The electronic voting technology was supported by his subsidiary in South America, PROCOMP, which have the know-how of this since the '90."
The reason there are two articles is because the company intentionally split up the public face of the company following a scandal. They made some really bad voting machines in Ohio and seriously tarnished their reputation. To avoid catching flak for how badly designed their voting machines were they pretended to split their banking equipment into another company. 2602:306:311F:13B0:C977:6DCB:8C62:5292 (talk) 23:42, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
From the article:
Who coined it? -- Bruno Latour (1987) uses the term "blackboxing" (as one word) to describe the process of obscuring the process of knowledge making.
Which experts?
I urge anyone who can answer these questions to do so, in order to Wikipedia:Avoid weasel terms. Graue 23:48, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
Our own article on Black Box Voting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Box_Voting both notes the name of the coiner of the term and provides a semi-credible cite. -Anon
http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/11811936.htm
This ref link at the bottom is dead. Couldn't find a replacement. Not sure if quote should be removed if it has no ref.
Any connection to the Diebold Corporation in Ohio that Eliot Ness was chairman of after Capone was nabbed? -Fuzzy 20:33, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Diebold_CEO_resigns_after_reports_of_1212.html
--grazon 21:19, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
In your article the CEO did leave. The threatened lawsuit is mentioned. There is now a PR Newswire article about the *filed* lawsuit we could link: http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=106584&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=796582&highlight=
I don't know if that last link is appropriate for the article, so I'm not adding it.
If you look at Diebold's Q1 '05 SEC filing, you'll observe that election systems are about 2.4% of Diebold's global sales revenue. It might be worthwhile to put this surprising tidbit in the article. Cite:
Excerpt from Q1 '05 SEC filing:
Revenue Summary by Products and Services
For the quarter ended March 31: ----------------------- 2005 2004 ------------- --------- Financial self-service: Products $ 173,347 $ 154,262 Services 215,156 207,495 ------------- --------- Total financial self-service 388,503 361,757 Security: Products 62,535 57,415 Services 83,340 64,210 ------------- --------- Total security 145,875 121,625 ------------- --------- Total financial self-service security 534,378 483,382 Election systems 5,856 14,873 ------------- --------- Total Revenue $ 540,234 $ 498,255
Cite: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/sec?s=dbd&partner=mf -> Click on 5-May-05 10-Q Quarterly Report Full Filing at EDGAR
A while back I corrected the location of the Diebold headquarters in this article, changing it from North Canton to Green. Today it was changed back, with a reference to Diebold's own web page. I'll explain why I changed it to Green. The address for the headquarters on the web page is
Diebold World Headquarters Canton, Ohio, USA 5995 Mayfair Road North Canton, OH 44720
This appears to indicate that the headquarters is in North Canton. I looked up the address in maps.google.com, though, and found that the location is just north of Mt. Pleasant Rd. Unfortunately I can't find an online map with boundaries, but I looked in my Commercial Survey map of Akron, Summit and Portage Counties and found that Mt. Pleasant Road forms the boundary between Summit and Stark counties, with Green being to the north and Jackson Township to the south. North Canton is south of that line. In fact, the road is only called Mayfair in Green. It is called Pittsburg Rd. south south of Mt. Pleasant. What happened was that Green is only recently a city, and before that it was served by a variety of post offices outside of its boundaries. This area is served by the North Canton post office, but the headquarters physically resides in Green. --Beirne 00:48, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Whoops. I did the edit to North Canton. I'm actually in Green, and I never realized Diebold HQ was as well. They also have a satellite office (a field service branch) in Green, which humorously enough has a Uniontown ZIP code. My sincerest apologies.
The See Also lines include reference to John Diebold and Choicepoint. Is John Diebold the business management expert from the same family that founded the Diebold, Inc. in this article? I spent 15 minutes Googling and found no direct link mentioned between the two. One article discussed Diebold voting machines and John Diebold together, but did not establish a direct relationship. It makes sense to have a link to him in any case to steer the misdirected, I suppose, but it might make sense to have a disclaimer if there isn't a relationship, lest we confuse someone. Choicepoint does come up in discussions of voting irregularities, etc. Perhaps the Choicepoint link belongs on the Diebold Election Systems page?
They have a voting machine called "Diebold AccuVote TS". http://politics.slashdot.org/politics/06/07/31/1646246.shtml
The National Election Data Archive, headed by Kathy Dopp, keeps current with information, articles and analysis on the Diebold machines.
Here is the link: National Election Data Archive
I'm the one who's been putting each new Diebold outrage into the Security Concerns section - so believe me that I'm on your side in this issue. But what's been added is not directly relevant to Diebold [and Soapboxing as well, to be perfectly frank - however much I agree with it], so it really can't stay. I would suggest putting that kind of material into Electronic_voting#Opposition_to_Electronic_Voting. Ribonucleic 00:57, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Not sure if this is the right article for it, but ABC News has an article [17] on electronic voting and come security concerns. An interesting quote from a computer security expert:
If the concerns are really that serious then I think the article needs to reflect this.
This link led directly to the Security Concerns section, instead of just the article. I've since fixed it.
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Seems Diebold has some habit of editing wikipedia for their own benifit. May I suggest that someone who knows this article read over & summarize Diebold's past modifications? It'll help everyone recognize them when they eventualyl start using named accounts. JeffBurdges 14:22, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I can't remember the name of the agency, but didn't the article for a US gov. department include a note of the positive editing done by employees? Alastairward 11:21, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys! I'm the Diebold employee that made at least some of the anonymous edits. I was posting from my desk at work while bored. I had just discovered that you didn't have to register with Wikipedia to make edits, and had no clue that there was a rule against a company's employees editing the company's Wiki entry. I must have missed that disclaimer when I made the edits. In fact, I didn't read that there was a rule against if for another 3 months, when it was mentioned on a message board I follow. I don't work in PR, nor am I an executive or shareholder relations person of any type. In fact, I don't manage anyone, nor am I employed by the voting machines division. It was a good fath edit in the spirit of enhancing Wikipedia, and I have to say it hurts my feelings to be accused of vandalism; I wouldn't even lie to protect the company's reputation, much less stoop to vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.93.244.44 (talk) 02:55, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
And this might be the latest effort by Diebold/CIA:
{Also that same month, Diebold was at the center of a scandal involving Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney's victory in the Iowa Straw Poll. In that non-binding poll, it has been reported that at least one Diebold machine has failed resulting in a recount that delayed results.[1] Other information suggests that the reason why the machine "malfunctioned" was to keep candidate Ron Paul from gaining in the polls where an outright victory would lend credibility to his campaign.[2] Meanwhile, an Iowa Independent article points out that Rommey has joked about cheating to win the straw poll.[3]}
All the above talks about is the questionable result of the Iowa Straw Poll and it even includes references.208.107.168.154 17:55, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
References
This article has been subject to major past edits from Diebold IPs, portraying Diebold in a more favorable light. I have added a COI and disputed tag to the article until this issue is resolved. See here for details: http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/f.php?ip1=204.151.249.0-255&ip2=208.228.181.0-255&ip3=199.222.74.0-255&ip4=65.196.80.0-255&ip5=206.171.73.0-7&ip6=81.188.24.160-167&ip7=65.243.24.0-255 Ultiam 07:30, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I checked those edits (the most recent was in 2005) and can't find a single one which is still in the article. Most were deleitons of negative material that were reverted immediately. I've removed theCOI tag, but if you can identify a curent issue we can restore it and fix the problem. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 03:28, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
This was mentioned on TWIT this week, keep your eyes open for well-meaning people. Tuor 14:44, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Recent edits by User:Manufacturedthoughts have been removed because they do not relate to this article. I believe they would be better served in the Premier Election Solutions entry. Anyone besides the author disagree? The author left a unsigned message on my talk page threatening to revert the edit every day. --Electiontechnology (talk) 02:33, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Considering Diebold voting machines stuffed up in the 2004 election, considering the Diebold CEO donated lots of money to Bush's re-election campaign in 2004, I think it would be a crime NOT to mention it. Timeshift (talk) 06:12, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
An editor removed this material with the comment, don't crucify them just because they removed stuff from the project.[18] Editors should read the previous discussion on this page. The controversies over conflict of interest editing that was revealed by WikiScanner is covered on many relevant pages.[19] This article should be treat in a consistent manner with other articles. While we only cite one media reference here, as I recall it made the news in many outlets. There is no requirement that incidents be the main topic of a news story in order to be reported here. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 03:59, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Im going to elaborate. The news article contains two sentences on the incident, whilst the main focus is on the new tool, Wikipedia Scanner. The editor from the Diebold made various helpful edits [20], [21], then added some material that was in conflict of WP:NPOV; [22] (which was NOT reported by the news and therefore is not notable), then removed innapropriate links; [23]. They then deleted the criticsm section; [24], [25] the edits in question. The source provided states
Diebold, a company that makes electronic voting machines, was among the first culprits exposed by the scanner. Its staff were found to have removed criticisms recording widespread industry concern about the security of its products and its CEO's fund-raising for Preisdent Bush.
The article is actually based on the new tool Wikiscanner, and how it is a helpful addition. It is not based on the edits made by Diebold's employees, and only provides it as an example. Therefore, it was not newsworthy for an article, libious, and should be deleted. I do understand alot of editors are upset about Diebold trying to censor information, I myself believe strongly that COI and censoring information is a bad thing on a great resource like wikipedia, however this should not be on the article as it looks just like an attempt to disparge the subject with no solid proof or even established notability. I therefore call the information be either reworded on EVERY article that contains critism from the WS tool, or deleted outright. Id also like to establish i have no links whatsoever with Diebold or any of the involved people/corporations, I myself only found this article this morning and had not previously heard of the company. Metagraph comment 05:21, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
'Hacking Democracy', the HBO democracy, extensively covers Diebold's lies and the voter machine corruption and ability to be hacked--thus changes the votes without any proof it was done. I strongly believe it should be added to this article under controversy. I will try to when I have more time, but if anyone wants to--that would be nice. It's on HBO OnDemand. —Christopher Mann McKaytalk 00:18, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
An editor added this material.
If I'm not mistaken, this is original research unless we have a source which makes this assertion. I've removed it until this is covered by a 3rd party. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 07:04, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
As I explained on my User talk page, I am a Diebold employee working in the corporate communications department. I am in the process of proposing edits to Diebold's article page that are factual in nature and correct outdated or inaccurate information currently in Diebold's article. I propose correcting Diebold's founding date, which is in the right-hand blue callout box. The current date listed on the article page is August 1859. However, in 2009 Diebold celebrated its 150th anniversary, and through research we found that there is no record of the exact month Diebold was founded. We just know that it was founded in the year 1859. So I propose and ask for the removal of "August" and just leave it as "1859." For further reference, here is a link to an article explaining the timeline of Diebold's founding: http://www.diebold.com/150/featurestories_1859.htm. I will await feedback from anyone about correcting this date. Rebekah Boyd (talk) 13:19, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
((helpme)) I have not received any feedback on my proposal about updating the founding date on Diebold's page. I would like to have consensus to make this change. Thank you. Rebekah Boyd (talk) 18:18, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
I propose that in the "Area served" section in the call out box that public libraries be removed from this section. Diebold does not actively serve public libraries today. For further reference, here is a brief overview on Diebold's website explaining the business: http://www.diebold.com/aboutus/overview.htm. I look forward to any feedback on this proposed change. Rebekah Boyd (talk) 13:39, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
((helpme)) I have not received any feedback on my proposal about removing public libraries from the "Area Served" section. I would like to have consensus to make this change. Thank you. Rebekah Boyd (talk) 18:53, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
A correction is needed for the "Key People" section in the call out box. Sean Forrester's name should be removed, as he is no longer CIO at Diebold. I propose to remove his name. I would recommend and propose possibly adding the names of other key people at Diebold. They are as follows: Bradley C. Richardson, Executive Vice President and CFO; James Chen, Executive Vice President, International Operations; Charles E. Ducey, Jr., Executive Vice President, North America Operations; and George S. Mayes, Jr., Executive Vice President, Global Operations. Here is Diebold's Leadership Team page for reference: http://www.news.diebold.com/leadership-team/. I will await feedback on this proposed change. Rebekah Boyd (talk) 13:39, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
In the "Products" section in the call out box, I propose to change the section title to "Products and Services." Diebold not only sells products and solutions, but is a services provider as well-- http://www.diebold.com/aboutus/overview.htm. Services is an integral part of Diebold today and moving forward. I also propose to add "outsourcing services" to the list of products and services, as this phrase describes the services Diebold provides. Other weblinks explaining Diebold's services business can be found at: https://materials.proxyvote.com/Approved/253651/20100301/AR_54610/HTML2/diebold-ar2009_0004.htm and https://materials.proxyvote.com/Approved/253651/20100301/AR_54610/HTML2/diebold-ar2009_0005.htm. I would welcome any feedback on how to appropriately update this section of the article. Rebekah Boyd (talk) 13:39, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Currently, Procomp Industria Eletronica S.A. is listed as a subsidiary of Diebold. However, this is not the only subsidiary Diebold has. Because Diebold has many subsidiaries-- too many to list in the call out box-- I would recommend/propose either linking to the following weblinks from our 2009 Annual Report, which list all of Diebold's current subsidiaries: https://materials.proxyvote.com/Approved/253651/20100301/AR_54610/HTML2/diebold-ar2009_0112.htm, https://materials.proxyvote.com/Approved/253651/20100301/AR_54610/HTML2/diebold-ar2009_0113.htm, https://materials.proxyvote.com/Approved/253651/20100301/AR_54610/HTML2/diebold-ar2009_0114.htm, https://materials.proxyvote.com/Approved/253651/20100301/AR_54610/HTML2/diebold-ar2009_0115.htm, https://materials.proxyvote.com/Approved/253651/20100301/AR_54610/HTML2/diebold-ar2009_0116.htm. Or I would recommend removing this section from the call out box altogether. I will await feedback on this proposed change. Rebekah Boyd (talk) 13:39, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Currently in the first sentence, Diebold is described as "a United States-based security systems corporation." This description is not completely accurate as security is not the only business of Diebold. I propose the phrase in the first sentence be changed to "a United States-based financial self-service, security solutions and services corporation," as this description seems to more accurately reflect Diebold's offerings as a whole. For further reference of Diebold's business offering descriptions, you can visit: http://www.diebold.com/aboutus/overview.htm. I look forward to feedback on this proposed change. Rebekah Boyd (talk) 13:39, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
((helpme)) I have not received any feedback on my proposal about updating the description of the company in the first sentence. I would like to have consensus to make this change. Thank you. Rebekah Boyd (talk) 18:48, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
Thank you, JohnCD. I have made this change. Rebekah Boyd (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:51, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
The beginning of this section is currently written in present tense. Because Diebold has sold this business, I would propose this section be updated and written in past tense. For example, "Premier Election Solutions, formerly Diebold Election Systems, was a subsidiary of Diebold and was their smallest business segment..." Again, I will await feedback on this proposed change. Rebekah Boyd (talk) 13:39, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
((helpme)) I have not received any feedback on my proposal above about updating the Premier Election Solutions section to past tense on Diebold's page. I would like to have consensus to make this change. Thank you. Rebekah Boyd (talk) 18:43, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
Thank you, JohnCD. I have made these updates to this section. Rebekah Boyd (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:05, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
Please create either a redirect article "Diebold Nixdorf" to "Diebold" or rename "Diebold" to "Diebold Nixdorf" or better create a new article "Diebold Nixdorf" as you may find at least in the German Wikipedia https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold_Nixdorf with respect to the recent company, where a link to the existing "Diebold" article should be included. Thus tense has to be changed from "is" to "was". See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wincor_Nixdorf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.115.65.8 (talk) 08:38, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
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security searcher have tested diebold accubasic: https://web.archive.org/web/20180904092342/https://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/forms/security_diebold_accubasic.pdf i dont know the license but its solid verification — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tuxun (talk • contribs) 16:09, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
It is no longer in the Akron-Canton area per main website: https://www.dieboldnixdorf.com/en-us/about-us/global-locations/
which states: Hudson 50 Executive Pkwy Hudson, OH 44236 United States
Suggest editing article to say it's in Hudson, possibly noting that Hudson is a suburb of Cleveland, Ohio. 97.80.137.52 (talk) 16:31, 19 December 2023 (UTC)