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This page was recently created, and superseded the use of the title "geoengineering" on the page that refers to proposed methods to reduce global warming (now renamed "climate engineering"). I understand that geoengineering is accepted as a shorthand for geological engineering for people in that field, but isn't "geological engineering" still the full term? Currently, it isn't used once in this article. I think that this change will be very confusing to people who are searching for the term as it is more widely used (to mean climate change intervention).Belfrey (talk) 03:29, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
I proposed a reversion of this change on the new Climate engineering talk page, but as I was the only supporting voice and Vsmith continued to oppose having the title reflect the current common usage, it was declared as "no consensus" and the topic was closed. I encourage others who are familiar with how the term "geoengineering" is now commonly understood to try again, or go ahead and make the change if you're familiar enough with how to do so. So far, the Wiki crowd-editing model has failed on this one.Belfrey (talk) 12:38, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Just to add to the discussion: I am glad to see the change in the content of the page of Geoengineering to reflect the broad field that encompasses geological engineering, engineering geology, geotechnical engineering, rock mechanics, geophysics and oil exploration. I had made that request in the past, but without success. The term is used in that manner since the early 1960s and is widely used by geoprofessionals worldwide. A number of academic programs and Departments also use it. For example: University of California at Berkeley (see here: http://www.ce.berkeley.edu/programs/geo) and the Department of Civil, Environmental and Geo-Engineering at the University of Minnesota (see here: http://www.cege.umn.edu/)--DZekk (talk) 00:06, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
I was brought to this Wikipedia article by a news article covering climate engineering techniques that referred to said techniques as geoengineering techniques. At the bottom of this Wikipedia article, I found a "see also" link to Climate engineering, and when I followed that link, the very first line of that Wikipedia article said that climate engineering was also known as geoengineering. As such, to be clear and consistent, the "see also" link on the geoengineering article should be changed to a disambiguatiom notice. // Internet Esquire (talk) 16:41, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. Convert to a disambiguation. (non-admin closure) Wbm1058 (talk) 00:25, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Geoengineering → Geological engineering – It is my understanding that "Geological engineering" is the proper name of this subject described in the article. On WP:MV it says pages should be moved if "The subject of the article has changed its name and the new name has come into majority use", and this is kind of like that in a way, only it's Climate engineering that has changed names, at least as far as the common name is concerned. WP:RECOGNIZABLE states that the most commonly used name of a subject should be the article's title. However, to distinguish Geological engineering from Climate engineering, I think that both articles should use the proper name of the field (as Climate engineering already does), and Geoengineering should redirect to Climate engineering. I have never heard the term Geoengineering used outside the scope of Climate engineering, granted, that's only my experience, but the media uses this term almost exclusively in any coverage of Climate engineering, so it's reasonable to assume that the general public associates it with that subject. SarrCat ∑;3 18:34, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
The fields of geotechnical engineering and engineering geology are closely related, and have large areas of overlap. However, the field of geotechnical engineering is a specialty of engineering, where the field of engineering geology is a specialty of geology.The hatnote on this article says "This article is about engineering and geosciences." So it can't make up its mind between being a fork of geotechnical engineering (engineering) or a fork of engineering geology (geology or geoscience), or a lame broad-concept overview of both. And though the hatnote "For intervention in the Earth’s climate system, see climate engineering." implies that this is not about climate engineering, that seems to be exactly what the article's only reference is about: "Geoengineering is the deliberate large-scale intervention in the Earth’s natural systems to counteract climate change.", per the Oxford Geoengineering Programme. So, consensus is to clear up this confusion with a disambiguation. Wbm1058 (talk) 00:25, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
I copied content to Geoprofessions § Geological engineering. Wbm1058 (talk) 23:25, 24 May 2015 (UTC)