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--Jerzy(t) 21:20, 2004 Aug 13 (UTC)
Of course the article as a whole also needs to treat the non-English-speaking world. It should perhaps become part of a suite that discusses the histories of Gold mining and Diamond mining (with their respective technical particulars), and uses Gold rush as a redirect to Low-technology mining camp or Labor-intensive mining. --Jerzy(t) 21:20, 2004 Aug 13 (UTC)
Some of the people back in the east actually got more money than the "49-ers" just by selling what the miners needed to stay in California for a while.
Comment re minor revision by elysdir was In the US, the most famous gold rush for most people is the California one; many Americans haven't heard of the Klondike one. Tweaked "most famous" line accordingly. True I suppose, and it seems that there's a general fudging of the timeline, too; i.e. a lot of the imagery associated with the California rush is intermixed with the imagery of the Klondike, even though they were 60 years apart; same as the BC/California rushes getting mingled, but that's only a 9 year separation and there's a direct connection culturally/individually. "The Gold Rush" is a movable feast, and while associated with California in the American popular mine the real gold rushes, the ones where a "rush" was involved, were the Fraser, the Cariboo, Fort Colville, Big Bend, the Stikine, the Klondike and Alaska; but avbain in the popular mind these have all become fused as if they were one eventSkookum1 22:12, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
I've added Scotland to the list of countries that experienced a gold rush in the 19th century.
In case nobody believes me, I live pretty close to this location.
Lianachan 22:02, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Ref comment in the edit summary: You don't need a web link, you can of course cite a book, thesis, .... Please use Wikipedia:Template messages/Sources of articles/Generic citations. Please also find a non-northern Amerian ref (ie not Canada nor USA) that supports the assertion that Klondike most famous, preferably with reference to gold production and comparisons with other rushes in the world. In ten years the European population of Victoria, Australia increased seven-fold from from 76,000 to 540,000 because of the Victorian Gold Rush.
All sorts of gold records were produced - "richest shallow alluvial goldfield in the world", largest gold nugget, ... Victoria produced in the decade 1851-1860 20 million ounces, one third of the world's output. This is an international encyclopaedia - I think the Klondike rush is dealt adequately at the section Gold_rush#Rushes_of_the_1890s and it is not justified to repeat the information in the lead section. Thus I have reverted - as above the rush adequately dealt with in its own article and under the 1890s section.--A Y Arktos\talk 22:00, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I hear what you're saying; but no other gold rush had the sweeping impact on the newly emerging global economy - tied together by steamship and rail lines instead of wagons and sailing ships - as did the Klondike; it is the archetype, even more than California (the Fraser Canyon Rush, which was after the Victorian Rush, was noted as the largest single movement of goldrush-movement of men in a very short period of time (25-30,000 in two or three months). The idea with my addition was to provide an example of the ways in which a gold rush kickstarts economies; in this case not just a region's or a country's, but the entire world's. The Victorian Rush did not have the same effect, obviously; if it had happened in the same period as the Klondike, when overseas and long-distance travel was easier than ever before, it might have had a similar global impact; it did not.late sig afer sequence broken, as per AYArktos' comment Skookum1 01:52, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
I've seen the bit about the global economic impact of the Klondike elsewhere than Berton's Klondike, but it's very likely that writings on the Klondike from outside of North America use him as a source and picked up that idea from him. I'll find figures on the Klondike because I'm sure it's the largest field in terms of ore body; and the nature of the deposits were so remarkable (70-90% gold between a few inches and a few yards thick, over the whole left slope of the Klondike basin: 400-500 square miles).Skookum1 23:54, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
The Klondike is the most famous not so much for the quantity of gold (the Transvaal produced more, IIRC), or for the number of people, where there are no reliable figures anyway. Gold output figures are equally unreliable, at least in the Klondike where many miners tried to avoid paying royalties. The Klondike gold rush is famous mainly because it captured 20th century popular imagination through literary and film output. It seems that every European has read Jack London's White Fang; English-speaking school children are still subjected to Robert W. Service's The Shooting of Dan McGrew and The Cremation of Sam McGee; Charlie Chaplin eating his boots in The Gold Rush is an icon familiar to almost anyone; and many know of Disney's Uncle Scrooge McDuck Klondike adventures and associated characters (Soapy Slick, Goldie O'Gilt); numerous Mountie movies (Sergeant Preston of the Yukon, Rose-Marie, etc.); not to speak to a wide array of relatively minor writers such as Edwin Tappan Adney, etc.. I just came back from a trip to Italy, and it was easy to explain what part of Canada I was from (the Yukon) simply by either mentioning Jack London or that I was from where Uncle Scrooge made his money. So my gold rush is better'n yours 'cause people wrote books and made movies about it. :-) In terms of the article, I believe that mention of the fame of the '49 California gold rush and the Klondike do need to be in the lead paragraph. Currently, it does not even mention the Klondike or the Yukon, California as such (just the Sierra Nevada). Also, the South African Gold rushes need a little more prominence. Luigizanasi 14:35, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
How about the following as the two lead paragraphs? I believe they reflect the discussion above. Edits welcome. Luigizanasi 17:17, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
A gold rush is a period of feverish migration of workers into the area of a dramatic discovery of commercial quantities of gold. Several gold rushes took place throughout the 19th century in the United States, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and South Africa. Gold rushes helped spur permanent non-indigenous settlement of new regions and define a significant part of the culture of the North American and Australian frontiers. As well, at a time when money was based on gold, the newly-mined gold provided economic stimulus far beyond the gold fields.
The first significant gold rush was in the Appalachians in the United States, followed by the California Gold Rush of 1848-49 in the Sierra Nevada, which captured the popular imagination. Successive gold rushes occurred in western North America, gradually moving north: the Fraser Canyon, the Cariboo district and other parts of British Columbia, and the Rocky Mountains. The “last great gold rush” was the Klondike Gold Rush in Canada's Yukon Territory (1898-99), immortalized in the novels of Jack London, the poetry of Robert W. Service and films such as Charlie Chaplin’s The Gold Rush.
The Victorian gold rush, which occurred in Australia in 1851 soon after the California gold rush, was the most major of a number of Australian gold rushes. That gold rush was highly significant to Australia’s, and especially Victoria's and Melbourne's, political and economic development. In South Africa, the Witwatersrand Gold Rush in the Transvaal was equally important to that country’s history, leading to the founding of Johannesburg and tensions between the Boers and British settlers.
Seem to recall this; I might have the 1890s confused with Granite City, in the Tulameen district of BC (just NW of a town called Princeton by about 20 miles, 150+ miles due east of Vancouver on the inland side of the Canadian Cascades, which has the same kind of placer deposit: mixed gold and platinum: as the Amur, which I know there was a rush on over at some point; although how Tsarist Russia managed the movement of people there I don't know; it couldn't have been the same, I think, because of the regulatory nature of movement in the Russian Empire; but there was a flurry of activity on the Amur I do know that, and I heard/saw the term "rush" associated with it. Anyone here know about this one? I think there were Russian gold rushes somewhere else; can't remember where though. Thought crossed my mind partly because of the comment about democratization in the California goldfields; it was the launching of that collective mining-management process that touched off alarm bells with Vancouver Island's Governor Douglas concerning the geopolitical fate of the BC mainland when the Fraser rush was in full swing; he had to assert colonial authority to prevent further inroads of the "California system" (as it was called in contemporary BC documents) and established a British-based licensing system (with most amendments wanted to please the miners) in order to prevent the evolution of a popularly-based legal/political system in what at the same time was declared to be a new colony. All this I'll get into in the Fraser Canyon Gold Rush article at some point; just noted here as an aside in terms of the comments overleaf.Skookum1 06:42, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
I was just scanning the article and on lines like this one:
As well, at a time when money was based on gold, the newly-mined gold provided economic stimulus far beyond the gold fields.
...it crossed my mind that what was missing in the article is an important part of the gold rush mentality, and what a gold rush was; something more than just economic. The addition to the above line I'm mulling over would go something like. and inspired people in hard times with dreams of wealth. Not quite; I'll work on it. There's the whole fabled lure of gold, the underlying myth of Eldorado and sudden riches (so memorialized in the Klondike, but archetyped in California and BC and Australia), the magical quality to it above all other metals (at least until uranium came along, and that if anything is an even darker magic). Point is that gold rushes carried with them a mythology rooted in Cortez and Pizarro and the search for El Dorado and Cibola and the Seven Cities; this is especially the case with the western North American gold rushes because they were in the region where Cibola and its even more fabled northern neighbour Anian were said to lay, and had been sought avidliy by the Spanish across miles of ridiculously stark wasteland. The Spanish just missed, it seems, or didn't look hard enough, or because they presumed that they would find cities of gold like those of the Aztecs and Incas never bothered to prospect on their explorations (or perhaps even knew much about how to, come to think of it). Supposedly one of these expeditions made it as far north as Osoyoos, perhaps Keremeos; as both legend has it and a conquistador-style helmet or something of that kind in a mound near Keremeos, and the famous Okanagan Mission story has never quite been clarified; it seems to have been Mexican (or Spanish Empire anyway) pirates and sundry based at Bellingham Bay, according to one account; by another they came overland across the Columbia Plateau and up the Okanagan, but this is undocumented (SFAIK).
But the story of those missions, and the lost cities of gold, fired the imagination of those coming West and underlay its imagery and mythology and the knowledge that somewhere in the northwestern quadrant of the continent lay a HUGE body of gold; it was the Spanish Empire's early successes and ongoing dreams of this that fired up the Americans to acquire the West, much less go there, I'd say; i.e. I'd wager that it wasn't rank patriotism that drew many men West, but the lure of gold only; for that they crossed deserts and Indian Wars to seek Eldorado. And the name Eldorado indeed hangs over each of the gold regions of North America (I don't know about Aussie or Yarpie mine/claim names), with mine or claim names and also mountain names on the landscape, and if you read papers from any of the rushes that had them, you'll see Eldorado in use; what I'm getting at is its symbolic nature; the wealth of kings, in one small patch of land; find it, and the world is yours. THAT'S what gold rushes are about. This article needs more of that flavour; if I try to write it directly I think I'd get too intense; so might as well workshop the idea and see what y'all might come up with, if you got my point that is. The mythology of the red gold, the devil's metal, the metal that makes white men crazy, the craziness of the mining camps and the extroversion of mining culture; and the particular flavour of rowdy frontier party towns, with what women there were not attached to the church working on the other side of town, as itwere; the population of such places in North America's case anyway was ovewhelmingly male, although the Klondike is noted for the many successful women who did well with claims or with busineses founded en route; a sign of female participation in the gold economy that was not present in the Fraser Canyon or Cailfornia rushes and an earlier, less liberated tie; maybe in California, but at least not anywhere to the same degree; I don't know about Australia again, but from the references I've seen in BC histories about Australian precedents, and what I know about Aussies from the Outback (and the harsher suburbs or Sydney) I've known, it sounds pretty much the same.
So that's what I'd like to see; more colour, more romance. It's not all about economics, and gold rush culture has a special tone to it that deserves description.
Also weren't there gold rushes in Mexico, and elsewhere in Latin America? - i.e. not just the recent rapine strip-mining in the upper Amazonas of Brazil)Skookum1 06:44, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
To follow up the note from above: "I believe Micheloud is wrong on the cyanide process used in the Klondike. The gold mined there is strictly alluvial, and the same placer deposits are still being mined to this day for the third or fourth time, still yielding paying dirt using mechanical means. ... Luigizanasi 02:36, 4 June 2006 (UTC)" Can someone please check the Klondike book or other relevant sources - was cyanide important in South Africa and not elsewhere?--A Y Arktos\talk 10:28, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
This crossed my mind while writing that bit about the Klondike just above. The Chinese role in any gold rush and their mining techniques should maybe be in this article, or a separate linked one. In BC's gold rush they were noticed for washing individual rocks for loose placer stuck to them, resulting in piles of washed rocks in areas they'd worked; they also helped develop hydraulic mining techniques and systems. Another technique that other miners marvelled at the ingenuity of was the use of blankets as filters in placer extraction, after large grains of gold and nuggets had already been sluiced or rockered; the wash-out from whatever placer machinery would flow through a wool blanket. After an appropriate time, the blanket would be burned, with the gold smelting in the fire and molten chunks emerging in the ashes afterwards. I recall, also, a National Geographic article from the '70s sometime on some strip mine in Nevada or elsewhere in the Great Basin which was working with very low-concentrate ores; huge amounts of ore would be smelted down and poured into conical moulds; the point of which would be solid gold due to its weight....Skookum1 17:36, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
For those who are arguing needlessly about the chronology of the Australian gold rushs; this page may assist.
AFAIK there have been more than two simple gold rushes in Australia, not to detract from the Victorian or Kalgoorlie ones, but off the top of my head;
Another editor was not familar with this article and deleted the referenced paragraph because he thought it was poorly written and biased. I will restore the paragraph after a minor re-write. Ronbo76 22:25, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Again, this article is on gold rushes, not gold mining towns. This material belongs in the separate articles on Cripple Creek, Colorado, and Victor, Colorado. Besides being misplaced, the section is full of errors. The district is by no objective measure the "World's Greatest." Float is not "lightweight rock." Stratton did not discover the Independence in 1901, nor did he sell it for $11 million.Plazak 21:42, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
If no one objects, I'd like to remove the tag at the beginning of the article warning that it may not reflect a world-wide point of view. I see that the US, Canada, Australia, New Zeeland, and South Africa are all represented here. I'd like to see more coverage of gold rushes in non-English speaking countries, but the article certainly covers a number of nations.Plazak 11:21, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
According to Stefan Zweig the gold rush of Minais Gerais in 18th century Brazil was the biggest ever, even defeating the ones in South Africa and Klondyke. I didn't read his book ("Brasilien. Ein Land der Zukunft.") and have no further information, but I would appreciate it, if someone could evaluate this information and put it into this article.Hirsch.im.wald 19:21, 5 August 2007 (UTC).
That is a fact. I am a Brazilian student of history; unfortunately, i don't have the time to write too much for wikipedia now, but I can leave some useful sources -- see chapter 10 of http://www.amazon.com/Early-Latin-America-Colonial-Cambridge/dp/0521299292/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1322842899&sr=1-1; and specially http://www.amazon.com/golden-age-Brazil-1695-1750-colonial/dp/B0007DWQO8/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1322843037&sr=1-2 If you read Portuguese, of course, there are plenty other sources; but these two are excellent.
I have semi-protected the article due to a number of vandalisms from anonymous ip addresses the last couple of days. Feel free to unprotect. ArchStanton 10:25, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
please see discussion at Talk:Shoal (disambiguation).Skookum1Skookum1 (talk) 19:21, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't see anything in the section Roman gold rushes that describes actual gold rushes as defined in the lead. It is useful information, but inappropriate in an article on gold rushes. Is there any reason that this section should not be moved to a history section of the article Gold mining? Plazak (talk) 00:38, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I've removed New Zealand, Argentina and Chile from being mentioned as places with the "main" gold rushes in the lead paragraph. I did this because, while the other countries listed have numerous events listed on this page, some even having their own sub section or even article, these three countries only have one event each throughout the entire article, and only New Zealand's has a source confirming it. They hardly qualify as being notable enough to be mentioned in the lead. 124.179.170.87 (talk) 10:15, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
The gold rush is also known as KASTA VERADA —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.148.224.59 (talk) 07:20, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
"South African gold production went from zero in 1886 to 223% of the total world output in 1896." How could it have more than 100% of the total world output?173.21.65.42 (talk) 20:25, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
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