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" plus the non-hominid Orang-utan" ... but Hominid seems to include orang-utans in the gorup -- Tarquin 19:19 Feb 9, 2003 (UTC)
I think what the article meant to say is that orang-utans are not members of the groups Homininae or Hominini, as gorillas, chimpanzees, and humans are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.36.175.248 (talk) 00:26, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
The fact of calling them "individuals" has no relevance here, as an individual animal or even plant of any species is an "individual." --Daniel C. Boyer 19:27, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
This strikes me as rather POV - for instance, it doesn’t mention the problems of assigning personhood to apes, such as the concept of accountability going along with rights. --Ahruman 16:24, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
If we do give other great apes a degree of personhood, perhaps they should have the rights of people under 5 (since most chimps have the intelligence of a 4 year old). Some parents even in modern Western countries keep small children under 5 in playpens so I don't see why it should be illegal for a private caretaker being able to keep them in cages (any captive non-human great ape needs to be caged as they are very dangerous). But yea, I guess we can make it a crime to kill an ape unless it is in self-defence. And obviously killing an ape for food would be illegal as it would be similar to killing and eating a human. I'm not sure whether it would work right now as most people already find it hard to believe that humans are great apes to begin with. I think until then we can't really convince people to make such laws. Zachorious 10:35, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
We dont need to give them any right or add them to our society. All we have to do is leave them to live their lives in peace Warfwar3 16:18, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
I have read research proposing personhood not only covering Great Apes, but Whales (including Dolphins), Elephants and possibly even Giant Octopi. Should that be covered in a linked article here, or if one already exists, should it be linked? Nonprof. Frinkus 22:23, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the claimed supporters as all three are living people and there were no sources: "Unsourced or poorly sourced controversial (negative, positive, or just highly questionable) material about living persons should be removed immediately from Wikipedia articles, talk pages, and user pages.[2] These principles also apply to biographical material about living persons in other articles. The responsibility for justifying controversial claims in Wikipedia, of all kinds, but especially for living people's bios, rests firmly on the shoulders of the person making the claim." Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons Mdbrownmsw 18:34, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I have just removed some material that seems to be related to the topic, but fails under WP:OR: "That is, any facts, opinions, interpretations, definitions, and arguments published by Wikipedia must already have been published by a reliable publication in relation to the topic of the article." The material I removed and the two sources cited do NOT specifically discuss "Great Ape personhood". Mdbrownmsw 18:37, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
It is clear that Richard Dawkins has weighed in to the debate on Great Ape personhood, but I'm not sure it's fair to cite him as one of the three best known advocates. A search for "Richard Dawkins" Great-Ape personhood results almost entirely in Wikipedia mirrors. The support he expresses in [1] is hardly unqualified, being as follows:
-81.79.242.103 12:50, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Jane Goodall, Richard Dawkins, Noel Edmonds, Peter Singer. Is it really necessary to have Noel Edmonds in this list? Totnesmartin 18:09, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't the box on the right have a picture of a great ape, rather than a baboon?Petter Bøckman 06:16, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
One of the links is now owned by a cyber-squatter. Should be removed? 70.252.90.57 21:47, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps people could elect to become apes (since we share 98% DNS with apes, use language as well - nay better! - as apes, have similar social behaviour use tools like some species of great ape etc etc...), and thereby earn the right/privilege (I'm not sure which - you tell me) of not having to work, but instead could be left alone to themselves in the ape environment of their choice doing whatever comes natural to them as apes. E.g gathering ad perhaps hunting food, grooming, copulatating and generally having a good time. And if anyone fucks with them they can claim to be apes or humans as is convenient... And of course if it turns out that their environment has any economic value they can of course as persons cede it to commercial concerns for a fee... Jason Tan (I'm putting my name here because I thought of it first!! :-)) ) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.200.251.55 (talk) 15:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone pointed out in a reliable source the obvious problems in his rights vs responsibilities claim? It seems a little simplistic since children and people with severe mental impairment or major psychological problems have few responsibilities and those who ignore their responsibilities are still guaranteed certain rights in most circumstances. If not, has anyone came across Steve Jones arguments in other sources? Nil Einne (talk) 22:28, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi Lisa, could you say what your objection is to this phrase? It seems fairly straightforward, so I'd be interested in hearing how you see it as mistaken. SlimVirgin (talk) 22:07, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
I have removed bonobos from the list in the 1st paragraph, since it's misleading as it seem to state that gorillas and orangutans are species, if people really want to list bonobo, list all species, it will be like this: bonobos, (common) chimpanzees, western gorillas, eastern gorillas, Bornean orangutans, and Sumatran orangutans, but this seems too long. Editor abcdef (talk) 06:13, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
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