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First off, tolls are draconian- restricting travel. What happens when you pass through and can't pay the toll?
-G — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.24.152.136 (talk) 05:50, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
The article mentions that the 50 cent toll was originally enstated to repay the cost to build the tunnel, which makes sense, but it leaves me completely baffeled as to why the toll persists to this day, and so high (6$). According to the article, 33 million vehicles passed the tunnel in 2005; If we assume this counted return trip twice, then we have about 16 million "NJ to NY" tolled trips, or a total income of about 100 million dollars in 2005. If the tunnel makes $100M every year, and according to the article the total cost to maintain it since it was built was just $500M, then obviously a lot of money is being made. Why? By whom? Is this considered acceptable by NJ commuters (who I guess are the ones who are paying these charges)? I think the article should mention some of these issues. Nyh 09:58, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I found an interesting article about the history of the Holland Tunnel, and its tolls: [1]. Apparently, the original 50 cent toll was indeed supposed to only last until the building costs were repaid, and the toll hasn't changed at all from 1927 to 1975 - half a century! - and remained $1 for a two-way trip - which means, given inflation, that the toll slowly decreased. Today's two-way toll, $12, is actually equivalent (in today's dollars) to the $1 that people paid in 1927, though it looks much more :-) It's just that this money is not going to repay for the Holland Tunnel any more (which was repaid long ago) - it's going into other PANYNJ projects. Which projects? Why? Good questions... 195.110.40.7 (talk) 12:19, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
It should be noted that the tunnel didn't close so much for security reasons after 9/11, but so that trucks hauling waste could travel without being in traffic.
According to the Port Authority's[2] website, "Holland dies suddenly in 1927, of apparent exhaustion, on the eve of the day workers from the New York and New Jersey sides are to meet in the middle (a process called "holing through")."
According to Holland's remaining surviving daughter (who died 17 September 2013), he died of a heart attack on the operating table while undergoing a tonsillectomy (personal communication).
Clifford Holland was born on March 13th 1883 in Somerset, Massachusetts, the only child of Lydia Frances Hood and Edward John Holland. He attended Harvard University in the fall of 1902, received a degree of A.B. in 1905, and S.B in Civil Engineering in 1906. According to an article written about him in 1925, the work and stress of the tunnel project over-taxed him and his strength failed him. His health became poor, which necessitated complete rest. The Harvard Class of '06 25th Anniversary Report states that he died at the Battle Creek Sanitarium in Battle Creek, MI of Angina Pectoris. It states he went to the sanitatium "on the advice of his physicians because he seemed to be suffering severely from disordered nerves and an attack of nervous prostration was imminent. Careful diagnosis of his condition and treatment was being given when he died suddenly from angina." According to Clifford Holland's Official Death Certificate, he died on the 27th of October, 1924 in Battle Creek, MI of Angina Pectoris. The Marshall Office has all death records pre-1969. They can be reached at (269)781 0718. Are there any surviving descendants?76.19.191.205 01:02, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes, there are many descendants. Holland's four daughters each had 2-4 children. He has many great-great grandchildren.
It is believed that the first of Liverpool's two road tunnels (opened 1934) to the other side of the River Mersey followed the principles of engineering used in the construction of the Holland Tunnel. Certain aspects of the Mersey tunnel are very similar in appearance to the Holland tunnel and uses similar ventilation.
Would anyone mind if I substituted ((NYC Hudson River crossings)) with ((Hudson River crossings))? --Chris 19:31, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Template:NYC Hudson River crossings has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:NYC Hudson River crossings. Thank you. --Chris 16:42, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
I have been wondering for ages which state owns most of the Holland Tunnel. I always thought New Jersey owned the most because after crossing the state line into NY it always seems to take a short amount of time to exit the tunnel. (I commute frequently) --Bennyp77 01:38, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
The holland tunnel is also in the XBOX 360 game The Godfather
The intro from the TV series The Sopranos don't start to get out of this tunnel? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Folio (talk • contribs) 03:31, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
St john's Rotaryis the name of the circular road at the end of the end of the eastbound tube. Have edited article with references to reflect this. There is no need or room for a lot of history about previous uses of the land, which are better covered in an article about the rotary itself.Djflem (talk) 23:46, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
An editor (BMK (talk)) has twiced removed the following pertinent reference without justification. Why? It soliday explains previous uses of the land of which the rotary is situated Djflem (talk) 01:01, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
"Park of the Past". New York Parks Department. October 8, 2005. Retrieved 2014-12-23..
Also, today you moved an article Holland Tunnel Rotary from your user space into main space. I have sent it back there for these reasons:
Restoring the reference which you so conveniently removed. Good luck with your scramble on the St. John's Park. Curious to see what kind weasel you try to use to justify your original research. I expect there'll be liberal use of the many fine references I provided in Holland Tunnel Rotary including this one which clearly the states the park doesn't exist and hasn't for 150 years. "Park of the Past". New York Parks Department. October 8, 2005. Retrieved 2014-12-23.. Djflem (talk) 04:02, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Ok, let me summarize for you:It's clearly not a park, in the sense you're looking for, but it is nonetheless called "St. John's Park". Towns can be called "city" without having any of the normal attributes of a city, streets can be called "Maple Street" without having any maples on them, apartments can be called "River View Gardens" without having a view of the river or any gardens, delis can be called "Gramercy Deli" despite being nowhere near Gramercy, etc. etc. etc. In general, there's no accounting for names, and there's no requirement that a tract of land which was once a square or park can't continue to carry its previous name even when it no longer functions as a public square or a park - and that's what's happened here. The land in question is still called "St. John's Park", just as the Meatpacking District will continue to be called that well after the last meat packer in the area has closed down. It's a name.
Extensive coverage of ventilation system in article justifies showing two different towers. If one image is chosen should be contemporary image that also accents fact that Holland Tunnel is River crossing.Hudconja (talk) 12:35, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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In the History section, at the end of the third paragraph is the sentence: "Promotional materials compared the diameter and capacity of the proposed tunnel with the smaller-diameter railroad tunnels."
It seems like a total non-sequitor, just exactly what does this mean and what is it attempting to say, and why is it there? Would these be Holland's promotional materials? Just what kind of materials are these, brochures? And it is without citation, there is no reference supporting this statement, even if it did make sense.
Would the editor please either re-write this sentence to have a relevant English language meaning in context, or else eliminate it from the paragraph? Thank you. 2601:342:0:E3D0:687A:10FE:3726:ED3B (talk) 20:13, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
The description section gives the depth of the tunnel below the MHW (mean high water) level just fine, but it fails to say at any point how deep into he silt the tunnel lies. Even an approximate measurement would be appreciated here. Is the tunnel covered by 10 feet of silt or by 200 feet of silt? How deep under the river bottom is the top of the tunnel? How deep are dredges allowed to dredge over the tunnel? If a ship with a deep draft were to plow up the bottom, at what point would the tunnel encounter trouble? This information should generally be available and should be known to those who maintain the river and tunnel and should be included in this article. Please include this serious omission. Thank you. 2601:342:0:E3D0:687A:10FE:3726:ED3B (talk) 20:23, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
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Looks very good at a first pass; I'll do a line-by-line check for grammar and referencing in a few hours. Two minor things: first, I don't like "Context" as the name of the sub-section heading; is there a better choice? Second, the table of tolls should say that the current toll of $15 is equivalent to $15 in 2018 dollars, right? power~enwiki (π, ν) 20:36, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
Although the two tubes' underwater sections are parallel
- should this be "adjacent"? Being parallel doesn't mean the tubes couldn't be two blocks apart. power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:59, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
The river shafts doubled as emergency exits by way of shipping piers that connected each ventilation shaft to the shoreline.
- are these still emergency exits, or was this just during construction? power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:59, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
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- is it common practice in New York to use "the" to refer to highways? (I know it is done in LA and not done in SF) power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:59, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
Truck drivers were invited to Bridge Commission meetings, where they would hear about the details of both the 57th Street Bridge and Canal Street Tunnel plans.
- should this be reworded so the subject of the sentence is the meetings, rather than the truck drivers? power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:59, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
New York State Bridge and Tunnel Commission
- is there a redirect target for this group? I assume it was subsumed into the Port Authority (or dissolved). I can't read all of [4] which may describe it. power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:59, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
it was the first instance in the tunnel's history where the entirety of the tubes was flooded
- this doesn't appear to be sourced (and is missing a period as well). power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:59, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
The article says "The Holland Tunnel is a vehicular tunnel under the Hudson River"
But in the map ( File:Holland Tunnel.svg ) the red-highlighted section is at East River. --87.15.151.110 (talk) 21:16, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
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Looks very good at a first pass; I'll do a line-by-line check for grammar and referencing in a few hours. Two minor things: first, I don't like "Context" as the name of the sub-section heading; is there a better choice? Second, the table of tolls should say that the current toll of $15 is equivalent to $15 in 2018 dollars, right? power~enwiki (π, ν) 20:36, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
Although the two tubes' underwater sections are parallel
- should this be "adjacent"? Being parallel doesn't mean the tubes couldn't be two blocks apart. power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:59, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
The river shafts doubled as emergency exits by way of shipping piers that connected each ventilation shaft to the shoreline.
- are these still emergency exits, or was this just during construction? power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:59, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
the I-78 and NJ 139
- is it common practice in New York to use "the" to refer to highways? (I know it is done in LA and not done in SF) power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:59, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
Truck drivers were invited to Bridge Commission meetings, where they would hear about the details of both the 57th Street Bridge and Canal Street Tunnel plans.
- should this be reworded so the subject of the sentence is the meetings, rather than the truck drivers? power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:59, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
New York State Bridge and Tunnel Commission
- is there a redirect target for this group? I assume it was subsumed into the Port Authority (or dissolved). I can't read all of [6] which may describe it. power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:59, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
it was the first instance in the tunnel's history where the entirety of the tubes was flooded
- this doesn't appear to be sourced (and is missing a period as well). power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:59, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
The article says "The rate of decompression rate for sandhogs working on the Hudson River Tunnel..." Should this be "The rate of decompression sickness" or "The decompression sickness rate" or something similar? I couldn't see the link to the NYT article [Ref. 127] to confirm what exactly was being referenced.