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HYPOSTASIS DOES NOT MEAN PERSON! That is simply linguistically WRONG! Look up your Greek! HYPOSTASIS means "that which stands under." In all the places you have put this in, you have gotten it WRONG! I don't know whether you're doing it maliciously, or that you're just ignorant, but Trinitarians do not argue that there are three HYPOSTASES in God, they argue that there are three PROSOPONS. Nrgdocadams 22:24, 7 January 2006 (UTC)Nrgdocadams
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Here is the entire entry (minus the bibliography) from the Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church (3rd ed.), p. 813 (emphasis added):
I have found it extremely difficult to find a more authoritative source than the ODCC. One can also find the same usage in the Blackwell Dictionary of Eastern Christianity on pp. 380 and 483. The Oxford Dictionary of Byzantium has this in its entry on hypostasis (p. 966 in v. 2, emphasis added): "...at the Council of Alexandria in 362 did Athanasios of Alexandria approve the difference between the terms hypostasis and ousia, and in the wake of the creed of the First Council of Constantinople in 381 the Cappadocian interpretation of the Trinity as three hypostases and one ousia became canonical. Hypostasis was contrasted to the substance or nature of the divinity, and defined as the individual property (idiotes) of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, whereas ousia—as an individual reality—was the element they shared (koinon) that presupposes a Stoic ontology."
These are all standard reference works which represent the scholarly consensus. You mention on my talk page (amidst your otherwise abusive remarks) that you have a Doctorate of Divinity as one of your credentials, but it makes me curious as to who granted it, since such degrees in our time are almost entirely honorary (i.e. not earned by academic work). (Your user page references Concordia as the source of your D.D., but you don't mention which one. The most famous seminary by that name (the one associated with the LCMS in St. Louis) doesn't have a D.D. program[1], nor does the other one by that name in Fort Wayne[2], nor does Concordia University in Texas[3].) The reason I wonder is because your assertions regarding hypostasis are so very much at odds with all the standard works on the subject.
The citations you gave on my talk page, by the way, all have to do with Christology, in which hypostasis is much more closely identified with prosopon. Triadology, by contrast, pretty much dropped prosopon to refer to the persons of the Trinity, as one can see from the citations I typed in above. —Preost talk contribs 21:14, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
From the 1st paragraph of the main article:
This does not make any sense at all, because metousiosis is etymologically derived from ousia, not hypostasis.
Unless someone (who wrote it, if possible) justifies acceptably the phrase in brackets above, I am going to remove it from the main text. --Miguel de Servet 22:35, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
I just looked at the article for Zurvanism, which said that Zurvanites saw the deity Zurvan as the "hypostasis" of Time. That word "hypostasis" in the Zurvanism article linked to the article called hypostasis (linguistics). But it seemed more appropriate to me that the word should link to the article called hypostasis (religion) (considering that Zurvanism is a religion). I edited the Zurvanism article accordingly. But then I checked out this hypostasis (religion) article and found that it discussed the term only in connection with Christianity, while the hypostasis (linguistics) article was much more relevant to the Zurvanism article. But that seems confusing and inappropriate.
Does anyone know why the hypostasis (linguistics) article isn't called hypostasis (religion), and why the hypostasis (religion) article isn't called hypostasis (Christianity)? I realize that the hypostasis (linguistics) article discusses the purely linguistic use of the term "hypostasis" (for instance, when we say, "No ifs, ands, or buts"). But it also discusses the "deification" or substantialization of concepts in religions such as Zurvanism: and that is not a purely linguistic figure of speech; to religious believers — for instance, the now-extinct Zurvanites — "hypostases" like Zurvan are substantial realities. --Phatius McBluff 07:35, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I apologize; I think my last posting may be a bit confusing. My main point is this: Why isn't this article, hypostasis (religion), called hypostasis (Christianity)? It discusses the use of the term "hypostasis" in Christianity only, not in religion in general. And why isn't the article called hypostasis (linguistics) called hypostasis (religion) (or just plain hypostasis)? --Phatius McBluff 07:44, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
This article makes a mention of the hypostatic union teaching two realities (by this I'm assuming they mean hypostases) in one person. This is completely contrary to what either the Non-Chacledonians or even the Chalcedonians teach. If you even look at the Greek of the Chalcedonian Creed it proclaims "mian hypostasin", which means one united hypostasis. The hypostatic union, yes, teaches two distinct essences (humanity and divinity), but it does not teach two distinct hypostases. Deusveritasest (talk) 21:30, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
The orthodox churches appear to have a different theology of hypostasis, it is a bit peculiar but it could be included out of simple pluralism. ADM (talk) 06:11, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Would a reference to Avatar in 'see also' section be appropriate? Seems like basically same concept. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.132.0.192 (talk) 18:21, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
I've tried to clean the introduction up a bit, from what was probably a messy adventure through the various arguments about the meaning of the word 'Hypostasis'. From reading this article it seems that the word means the existence of an object, and has similarities in, like... Phenomenology (philosophy)#Noesis and Noema and also Prakti and so on. In Phenomenology, noesis is used to refer to the idea of an object, which is related with the object itself - the noema and the noesis, respectively. I think another phrase that indicates this same idea is existence and essence, which is found in the work of Sartre, amongst others.
My central aim was the get rid of the introducing statement that the word, "has a complicated and sometimes confusing history," which I moved to later, after the definition of the word, first. I also tried to summarize the purport of the article. There was a literal translation of the word, which is so often not very helpful in today's world, with its language. The literal meaning came from the following link, which I've put here in case anybody needs it at another point in time: See Liddell and Scott's Greek Lexicon [4]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Makeswell (talk • contribs) 03:35, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
I've tried to clean the introduction up a bit, from what was probably a messy adventure through the various arguments about the meaning of the word 'Hypostasis'. From reading this article it seems that the word means the existence of an object, and has similarities in, like... Phenomenology (philosophy)#Noesis and Noema and also Prakṛti and so on. In Phenomenology, noesis is used to refer to the idea of an object, which is related with the object itself - the noema and the noesis, respectively. I think another phrase that indicates this same idea is existence and essence, which is found in the work of Sartre, amongst others.
My central aim was the get rid of the introducing statement that the word, "has a complicated and sometimes confusing history," which I moved to later, after the definition of the word, first. I also tried to summarize the purport of the article. There was a literal translation of the word, which is so often not very helpful in today's world, with its language. The literal meaning came from the following link, which I've put here in case anybody needs it at another point in time: Liddell and Scott's Greek Lexicon http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0057:entry=%23109195. makeswell (talk) 03:38, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
@Makeswell: I think that Greek link would be great in an External links section here. Do you mind doing that, please? Ken K. Smith (a.k.a. User:Thin Smek) (talk) 03:46, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
I think the section under nontrinitarian is quite off topic and unnecesary. And also "Trinitarians defend their view of multiple hypostases in the single God by the biblical passages... which explicitly state it", I see no mention of this, Matt. 28:19 (and others) mention "3" but fall short of the above Enedra (talk) 02:48, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
@Enedra: Looks like all that is gone, now. Ken K. Smith (a.k.a. User:Thin Smek) (talk) 03:44, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:15, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
– The evident WP:PRIMARYTOPIC with significantly more pageviews than the linguistics usage. All of the other disambiguated articles only use "hypostasis" as an alternate less common name. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 12:11, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
The 2nd sentence has no meaning. A hypostasis is one of the hypostases.
@unsigned poster, Second sentence of lead looks like this at the moment, and reads fine to me:
Ken K. Smith (a.k.a. User:Thin Smek) (talk) 03:49, 22 January 2019 (UTC)