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I just came across this page, the guy seems really interesting but based on the format I feel like I have to read an essay on his whole life to learn anything about him. It would be better if it was split into sections (early life, music style, etc.) I'm sure you guys can come up with something better than me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.90.152.87 (talk) 20:06, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I emailed the webmaster of http://www.iannix-xenakis.org about the use of pictures on that site. The following is the email I sent:
Dear Webmaster,
I am an editor at the English version of Wikipedia
(http://en.wikipedia.org). Currently, the article on Xenakis contains
no picture. I wish to inquire as to the copyright status of the
pictures of Mr. Xenakis featured on your site. I would love to use one
or more of them in the article.
If the copyright belongs to you, would you allow the pictures to
be used on Wikipedia? We can only use your materials if you are
willing to grant permission for this under the terms of the GNU Free
Documentation License. This means that anyone will have the right to
share and, where appropriate, to update your material. You can read
this license in full at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_GFDL
The license expressly protects authors "from being considered
responsible for modifications made by others" while ensuring that
authors get credit for their work. There is more information on
Wikipedia's copyright policy at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyrights
If you agree, I will credit you for your work in the resulting
article's references section. Thank you for your time.
The following is the reply:
Dear Sir,
As all the images that are on our website are free of rights, you can
use them without forgetting to mention that it comes from Les Amis de
Xenakis.
I had only ever seen it spelt Γιάννης Ξενάκης (still, I didn't have many sources to compare) in Greek until I saw this page. I did a Google search and discovered that Γιάννης Ξενάκης returns more than twice the results of Ιάννης Ξενάκης. The gamma is obviously silent since Greeks themselves have a tendency not to write it, and I think it must be correct (why else would anyone put a gamma there); it seems to be written this way by more people, at any rate. I'll go ahead and change it, but if anyone finds more compelling evidence to the contrary, by all means change it back. --Krun18:38, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The correct spelling of his Greek name is actually wiithout gamma. See the title page of his book:
The usual spelling of the name Yanis (John) in Greek is with Gamma, and I suppose that this is the way he spelled his name early in his life. However, during his exile he had to use mostly Latin characters to write his name, and he preferred spelling it with an I accorinding to French usage. I suppose that hes legal name was Ιωάννης like it is for most Greeks who are called Yanis (like most Jacks are officially Johns). The gamma spelling appeared in Greek texts as a back translation of his name from texts written while he was in exile. I hope to get more information from the discussion page in Greek Wikipedia.
I don't understand the reference to parralel fifths and octaves in the story of Xannakis' encounter with Honneger.
May I suggest that an IPA pronounciation or an audible link be added to the head of the article (by someone who knows better than I do exactly what the correct pronunciation is)? TaigaBridge01:24, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
How can a complete works lising be copyright violations? Plus the website IS a Xenakis website, not someone owning the list. I don't like your logic.
—the preceding unsigned comment is by 65.102.229.57 (talk • contribs)
I am not an expert on copyright issues, and I agree that this is probably a borderline case. However, iannis-xenakis.org lists Radu Stan as "Auteur du catalogue, de la discographie et du calendrier" (under "Crédit"). As the creator of the list he would be the copyright holder, as the compilation of the list is his own work, even though it is a list of Xenakis' works. This (Radu Stan's) list can only be incorporated into wikipedia if he allows the list to be licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License. Of course, anybody can create a complete list of Xenakis' works by himself and put it under any license he likes.—Tobias Bergemann21:34, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
His list of complete works that is copied from the website leaves out a few of his crucial works, so I thought I'd add them into the list. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Williamcedar (talk • contribs) 04:40, 16 May 2006 (UTC2)
As far as I know, the list on www.iannis-xenakis.org is as complete as it can be. (Radu Stan was responsible for Xenakis' works at Xenakis' publisher Editions Salabert.) It is not the same list that is currently in the article, which is very incomplete. Please feel free to expand the article in any way you see fit. —Tobias Bergemann07:47, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Dear all,
I am the "anonymous", who had completed the Xenakis work list. I am quiet surprised about the debate that has arisen from this. My source was not www.iannis-xenakis.org, but the official Xenakis work catalogue of Ed. Salabert, available as a printed promotion brochure (distributed free of charge) and a free download version from www.durand-salabert-eschig.com. As a long-standing great admirer of all the works of Iannis Xenakis and a musicologist I have written articles and produced radio-broadcasts on the music of Iannis Xenakis. Besides this since 2002 I am the official promotion representative of Ed. Salabert in Germany, Switzerland, Poland and the former GUS states. So I did not see any problems in making this work list available to the users of Wikipedia. Though I admit this was not a very original contribution, I am somewhat disappointed that my efforts have been deleted now.
Best,
Michael Zwenzner
Your efforts are not lost as they can be easily restored from the change history of the article. When I removed the list you had inserted it was not because it was "not a very original contribution" but because I was unsure whether you had the right to place the list on the article, thereby automatically putting it under the GNU Free Documentation License. I have since then changed my mind: A complete list of Xenakis' works is probably below the threshold of originality and therefore not protected by copyright law. I think I am going to merge the list back into the article. — Tobias Bergemann10:21, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I see that one and a half year later the list of works is still very incomplete. I was specially surprised to realize that absolutely no electronic pieces were included in his "selected works", although the main article correctly states that "[he] is particularly remembered for his pioneering electronic and computer music"... I added at least a few of his most important electroacoustic pieces.--LuisJ (talk) 22:51, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I know I promised to merge the list back into the article. However, I am not sure if a complete Xenakis works list is really an improvement of the article. After all, the article already contains a link to the works catalogue. Here is the list (as restored from article history):
Nekuïa :1981; mixed chorus (54 or 80) and orchestra (98); 26’
Pour la Paix : 1981; a) mixed chorus (32 minimum); b) mixed chorus, electroacoustic tape, 4 narrators; c) 4 narrators and tape (pre-recorded chorus plus tape); d) electroacoustic tape (pre-recorded narrators and chorus plus tape); 10’ (a), 26’45" (b,c,d)
Pour Maurice :1982; baritone, pno; 4’
Pour les Baleines :1982; string orchestra (60); 2’30"
Finally done. I organized the list thematically, introducing various categories to avoid similarity with either the list in New Grove (which I used) or the list posted above. I also added a few little details from the scores I have (like the actual instrumentation used in the works for which both lists simply state "ensemble"). I believe this solves the copyright problem. --Jashiin (talk) 16:12, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
For Wikipedia users seeking a list of compositions, wouldn't something like "Iannis Xenakis; List of Compositions" be a better title for a separate page listing works? I see that there are other "lists of compositions" though the exact wording varies. By leading with "Xenakis" it would appear much higher in a search on the last name alone (the list entry doesn't make the top 100 when using "Xenakis" as the search term). Searching "Xenakis works" puts the list 10th. I don't care that much, but it seems like a minor usability/search issue that could be easily rectified if others agree that a name change putting Xenakis first would be helpful. MRJayMach (talk) 13:58, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Use of Xenakis' music in Jodorowsky El Topo film ?[edit]
Does anyone know if the music on the bridge scene in Jodorowsky's El Topo was lifted from Xenakis, e.g. from some Orient-Occident#, with or without authorizatoin or credit, a la Ligeti-Kubrik atmospheres-2001? Tautologist (talk) 01:27, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Influence, compositional methods, architecture, theory, political protest and conceptual art[edit]
At the Shirah Arts Festival in Persepolis, he designed Polytope as a composition specific to the historic site.<ref name="Leonardo Vol. 40, No. 1">Leonardo Vol. 40, No. 1</ref> The following year he was commissioned by Mohammad Reza Pahlavi (the Shah of Iran), to compose Nuits, which Xenakis dedicated to political prisoners in protest at the Shah’s atrocities.<ref name="Leonardo Vol. 40, No. 1"/>
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This page has decent information, however:
Background information can be expanded.
Flow of the article is highly choppy.
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Suggestion: "xenakis" search should redirect to Iannis Xenakis rather than the disambiguation page. Isn't he notable enough for that. And a disambiguation link be sent to the top of this very page.
Problem: I don't know how to do it as per decision making process / markup syntax. Someone?
Anapazapa (talk) 20:01, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
On the face of it, this seems a reasonable request but, as a musician myself I do not feel capable of judging the relative prominence of the the writer (the composer's wife) and the artist in their respective fields (I think we can safely relegate the gymnast to a less-notable level). Some input from people with better credentials in French literature and recent visual art would be welcome.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 01:32, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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