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This article was edited to contain a total or partial translation of Jean-Pierre Ramel from the French Wikipedia. Consult the history of the original page to see a list of its authors.

In reality The elder is the Younger. His brother Jean-Pierre was born in 1761... Jbdepradines (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:14, 8 September 2010 (UTC).[reply]