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The link to the "Falmouth navigator" is dead, and should be removed. As should the unverifiable point it links to.Serpren (talk) 02:46, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
I question the notability of this article. John Angarrack spends his days selling washing machines and really isnt that notable here in Cornwall for cornish related issues, only popping up now and again to air his views. Personally i think Skwardya (local band) and in particular their vocalist Matthew Clarke (also of Pirate FM fame) is more notable, particuarly for their attempt to get licencing to cover beatles songs in cornish, and the fact he is an active and known campaigner for the cornish language. --Sotonfc4life (talk) 21:49, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
I removed the phrase "He also believes that the true history of Cornwall and the Cornish language should be taught in local schools," as it is a form of "weasel words" implying, but not stating, that the true history of Cornwall is not already taught in schools.
Also removed the phrase "It attempts to set events in their proper context" with regard to his last self published book. "Proper" being weasel word Serpren (talk) 02:08, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Should John Angarrack's trade and means of earning a living, as a washing machine repair man not be included in his description? The current description would have us believe he is some sort of author or historian/academic, whereas in fact he earns his living by his trade. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)
Angarrack & Sons 01208 76336 45 Higher Bore Street, Bodmin, PL31 1JS
http://www.city-visitor.com/plymouth/washingmachine.html
There can be no doubt it is him, as Anagrrack is his assumed name, and occurs nowhere else. DSerpren (talk) 05:23, 28 March 2009 (UTC).
Seconded. I reside in Bodmin and he is indeed a washing machine servicer and dealer. --Sotonfc4life (talk) 21:46, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
As far as I am aware, Mr Wilton is not an academic, and has no qualification or standing as "a historian."Serpren (talk) 07:17, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
The director of Cornwall 2000 John Angarrack, a leading historian and Cornish human rights campaigner, is supportedby a group of well-informed Cornish activists. What, why, how? Cornwall 2000 is a catalyst and a dedicated campaign group in many areas of Cornish self-determination. These include the right to self identify as Cornish and the more formal implementation of the Charter for the Cornish Language. Since the specific exclusion of the Cornish by the Government from the Council of Europe Framework Convention forthe Protection of National Minorities, Cornwall 2000 has worked tirelessly to achieve equality of treatment for the Cornish. John Angarrack published Our Future is History, the backbone text to Cornish constitutional issues in 2002.
"Cornwall 2000" no longer exists, if it ever did, and does has no web presence outside of Wikipedia. I don't think an uncredited article, with no sources, such as the "Cornish World" one can be used as a defining measuere of one's standing as a "leading historian".
Surely some peer reviewed publications, not vanity published books, or articles in biased magazines, are necessary for someone to earn this distinction?Serpren (talk) 06:09, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm not dismissing his publishings as a work of vanity. Vanity publishing is where the author pays to have his work published, and hopes to recoup his expenditure from the sales.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanity_press
When the book is non fiction, or purports to be of an academic nature, then if a reputable publisher can not be found to publish it some resort to vanity publishing.Serpren (talk) 05:16, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Fair points. Should it be noted if a book is self published then, rather than published by a recognised academic publisher?Serpren (talk) 04:49, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
I have no idea to be frank whether Angarrack paid out of his own pocket, or had a whip round down the pub to get this published. But surely, as your last point states, any publication claiming to hold fact or authority on its subject would be published by a mainstream publisher at least, or an academic publisher at best.
As it stands we have no way of judging the authenticity of the publisher or Angarracks publications. 04:27, 3 June 2008 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Serpren (talk • contribs)
Certainly. (However, I have just published a book "self publishingas an art form", on my home computer, and do consider myself a respected Cornish author and authority on the subject!)Serpren (talk) 01:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Duncan; I thought we were debating the legitimacy of claiming a book had been "published" when in fact it was "privately published" a horse of a very different colour, and one which I think has implications and ramifications throught Wikipedia. Serpren (talk) 23:58, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
If a citation for the Punk/Haslar period is not forthcoming soon, it should be deleted. Vernon White . . . Talk 07:24, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I removed <ref>[http://www.justcornish.com/new_store/catalog/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=667 Our Future is History]</ref> which no longer links to an opportunity to purchase the book online. Vernon White . . . Talk 19:36, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
[1] removed. This is just a ScotNat view on MK with no additional info on Angarrack. Vernon White . . . Talk 19:43, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
References
<ref>[http://cornishstannaryparliament.co.uk//resources//article.php?story=2007012919440015 John Angarrack fights for Judicial review of policy towards the Cornish]</ref> removed as it does not give the specific information stated on the link label. Vernon White . . . Talk 19:55, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Which of the following actually help the user find out about John Angarrack?
Vernon White . . . Talk 20:29, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
The artcle on Cornwall 2000 could also do with some attention. Vernon White . . . Talk 23:53, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
I can find no information online for either the "Independent Academic Press" or "Cornish Stannary Publications". If these books are "vanity published" then it should be noted.Serpren (talk) 07:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
The link to "John Angarrack's books" and "Publishers description" refer one to http://johnangarrack.co.uk/
This is the author's own website, where he sells his books from, and surely constitutes advertising on the author's behalf. There is no "publishers description, as all the evidence points to Angarrack "self publishing" his books (See debates above)
Is this in breach of Wiki ettiquette? Serpren (talk) 04:27, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Vernon, you are kind, but there is no recognised publishing house, agency or academic institution involved here,therefore the books have no academic standing (which I'm assuming they claim.) These books are "self published", and therefore it is a breach of etiquette to have a link to the sales site for the books.
These links add nothing to the validity of the author and/or publisher, as they are links to John Angarrack's own website. It would seem to me that if this were allowed to continue, then anyone with a self published book to flog could set up a Wiki page promoting themselves, and post links to sales sites for their "works".
What we have here is an unknown author, with scant recognition outside of his "cause", promoting his three self published books, books from publishing houses unknown.Serpren (talk) 06:46, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
This text was removed from the article - In August 2008 it was announced by John Angarrack's organisation Cornwall 2000 that they intend to lodge a case for the proposed inclusion of the Cornish into the Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities with the European Court of Human Rights. For a case to reach this stage however, it must be shown that Cornish campaigners and Cornwall 2000 have exhausted all domestic legal avenues by having the case summarily dismissed by the High Court, the Appeal Court and the House of Lords. Cornwall 2000 claim however that, before such a challenge can begin, they need to raise at least £100,000 to cover potential adverse costs.DjHope (talk) 13:27, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
He was born John Wilton as Serpren pointed out above, Angarrack is a pen name. He adopted the name Angarrack as a pseudonym to sound "more Cornish". The name was completely exinct by 1881. - Yorkshirian (talk) 13:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC)