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The result of the move request was: Moved as proposed, with the amendments suggested by BarrelProof. These moves will probably take a little while before I work through all of them - be patient, I'll get them moved. (non-admin closure) Red Slash 17:29, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
– Consistent naming for Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers in the United States. See recent multi-article RM at Talk:Shooting of Atatiana Jefferson (closed as consensus to move to "Shooting of ..." 21 May 2020). —BarrelProof (talk) 04:25, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
This article should at least be semi-protected to avoid vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxchristman (talk • contribs) 21:09, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
Just because this article is about a woman does not make it part of women's history. It would much more appropriately be classified under some Wikiproject with bearing over subjects of racism. Ethan Parmet (talk) 23:21, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
I just read the first 3 paragraphs several times and keep mixing up the names and events. Maybe this can be written more clearly.
I suggest the following inclusion of facts. Below is a sentence from the "no Knock warrants" wiki page.
"No-knock warrants also conflict with the right to self-defense, "stand-your-ground" laws, and Castle Doctrine which explicitly permit the use of deadly force against intruders."
I would also include the following.
"Kentucky, where the incident occurred is a [Castle Doctrine] state, as well as a [Stand Your Ground] state. This means that Breonna and her partner had specific legal protections that allow them to use deadly use of force on home invaders."
Thanks!
-magicbymccauley — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:155:4200:74D0:A110:7B90:900F:44A7 (talk) 23:55, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
That becomes original research unless supported by a source doing that critical analysis of this event. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 02:16, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Democracy Now! has covered the police's incident report from the shooting, which they report is almost entirely blank. The report claims Breonna Taylor had no injuries despite being shot 8 times. The report also claims that police did not use forced entry, even though they entered with a battering ram. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qNYXEKMunI (4:00 mark)
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The following caption:
should be changed to:
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Impossible date given in:
=== Legislative proposal === In July 2020, Democrats in Congress introduced ...
Says the bill was introduced in "July 2020" however the present date is still early in June 2020.) 2600:1700:B670:7230:0:0:0:4A8 (talk) 00:59, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Change the penultimate sentence of the first paragraph from
Taylor was shot eight times and Mattingly was injured by gunfire.
to
Taylor was shot eight times and one of the officers, Sgt. Jon Mattingly, was injured by gunfire.
(Mattingly has not been identified prior to this sentence.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.81.70.188 (talk) 06:24, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
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This article makes several misleading statements about the status of the main suspect in the investigation, such as
in the opening, and
in the 'shooting' section.
The only sources I've been able to find with an actual timeline indicate that one suspect was arrested the same night in a simultaneous raid at another residence[1][2][3][4], while the other may have still been at large as of mid-May[5]. Several other article repeat the claim that one or both were already in custody, but fail to provide further details. It looks as though the suspect arrested the same night might have been initially detained ~3 minutes prior to the shooting, but the the article is currently written in a manner that imply's a greater time separation. Raptor98k (talk) 01:27, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
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Change the way this article is formatted and worded. You're never to fire a weapon without identifying the target and what's behind it. By using the current wording you aren't being honest about the situation. "The officers were shot and then returned fire." Would be a neutral wording but as is you put all the responsibility for firing without "respect for life" on police officers who were being shot at. 2600:100E:B139:E8A2:4B25:B4BD:E7FB:76A9 (talk) 01:33, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
I have a subscription to the Louisville Courier Journal. They're doing some of the most in depth and up to date coverage of this case. I looked over the article and took out some of the older source that were written before the police released search warrants and other records to the media. Happy to answer any questions about my changes. Also I'm happy to be pinged if someone wants information that behind LCJ paywall. Sydney Poore/FloNightUser talk:FloNight 22:35, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
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Change "Brett Hankison is an LMPD plainclothes detective who is under investigation for numerous accusations of sexual assault." to "Brett Hankison is an LMPD plainclothes detective." as the other detective's is written below. Those accusations are immaterial to this article. 65.254.195.208 (talk) 05:22, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
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Change the participants in Breonna's murder. Take Kenneth Walker off the list. 24.237.181.5 (talk) 23:14, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
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Change Participants to Murderers 2601:192:8802:9F30:899F:2CD8:759C:21B0 (talk) 22:25, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
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"George Floyd, an African-American man who was killed in police custody" should read "George Floyd, an African-American man who died in police custody from a heart attack as noted in his autopsy." 173.46.206.122 (talk) 02:54, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
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I suggest changing "more than 10 miles (16 km) away." in the lede to "more than 10 miles away."
The source only mentions 10 miles, and uses it only to give the reader a rough notion of the distance. 16 km, not being a round number, gives a false sense of precision to the number. 2A02:A210:2D03:FF80:6867:9D13:A152:6FB0 (talk) 10:49, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
It's highly suspicious that the name Jamarcus Glover is glaringly omitted from this article. He was the target of the search warrants, he is Taylor's ex boyfriend (confirmed by her sister and niece), they broke up because she was aware he was a drug dealer (again, confirmed by sister and niece), he used Taylor's address for mail delivery and at least one package for him was known to have been left for him there. In fact, Walker has stated at first he thought it was Glover banging on the door.
Yes, I could find sources and do it myself, but I gave up a long time ago putting that much energy into editing wiki only to have some a-hole power-tripping mod delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.113.104.20 (talk) 19:00, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
Taylor joined the city as an EMT recruit in January 2016, became a full EMT by June and left the Metro Government in November 2016.
Local attorneys for Taylor's family have clarified that she was working as an ER technician at two area hospitals at the time of her March 13 death, with aspirations of becoming a nurse.
She was a licensed EMT but was not working as an EMT. ER Technicians do not need EMT Certification but can get away with CNA certification. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.114.1.20 (talk) 16:18, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
Breonna was fired from EMS. Why does this article keep calling her an EMT? She had not worked for the city for 3 years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FCC8:A283:1300:BD4A:BEF5:5167:BD50 (talk) 11:48, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
Under the heading of Taylors Family the Article says "Taylor and Walker thought their home had been broken into by criminals and that "they were in significant, imminent danger."
How can anyone claim to know what Taylor thought??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jnatkins (talk • contribs) 18:20, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Photos taken the day of the shooting prove the cops in that county DO have bodycams(contrary to police allegations they do not), and one of them was wearing one the day of the shooting while the other clearly has the holding slot on his uniform --- it is not known if that second cop removed it for the photo, or if any of the bodycams were turned on during the raid (since that's definitely the sort of thing they are for). https://www.tmz.com/2020/09/04/breonna-taylor-killing-one-police-officer-wore-body-cam-footage-shot/ I believe such an important revelation needs to be on the main page despite the usual lock on biographies of the recently deceased(?) that seem to be on. If the lock is intended to keep the protests down by hiding the truth, wikipedia DEFINITELY has lost its way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.65.74.112 (talk) 06:38, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
" Specifically, the warrant alleges that in January 2020, Grover left Taylor's house with an unknown package, presumed to be drugs, and subsequently went to a known drug house with this package soon afterward."
Grover should be Glover.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.37.107.247 (talk) 14:38, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Done Typo corrected, thanks for spotting it. A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 15:04, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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The word "in" appears twice in the last sentence, and should only appear once. 73.167.238.120 (talk) 05:20, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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The last sentence has the word "in" twice instead of once. 73.167.238.120 (talk) 08:01, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
"Neither Hankinson nor the two other officers involved in the raid were not indicted for Taylor's death." has a "not" too many. I'd have submitted a correction but the article's locked. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David Kastrup (talk • contribs) 12:37, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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She was formerly licensed as an EMT in Kentucky but her license had been revoked. Which can be verified at https://kemsis.kbems.kctcs.edu/lms/public/portal#/lookup/user Kanddvideos (talk) 18:33, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Our lead paragraph states, as fact in Wikipedia's voice, "Three plainclothes LMPD officers executing a no-knock search warrant entered her apartment in Louisville, Kentucky." It's true that many sources have called it a no-knock warrant, but the New York Times says While the department had gotten court approval for a “no-knock” entry, the orders were changed before the raid to “knock and announce,” meaning that the police had to identify themselves."
[1] I think we need to clarify this sentence in the lead somehow, rather than state unequivocally that it was a no-knock warrant. I think we should say "executing a search warrant" in the lead and go into the details in the text. -- MelanieN (talk) 21:36, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
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I would like to edit the statement on the top of the page because that part does not have importance to this page. Magodenm (talk) 15:38, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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The second point under Persons Involved is incorrect. Kenneth Walker did not live with her in the apartment according to the second paragraph in https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/30/us/breonna-taylor-police-killing.html.
Change "Kenneth Walker was Taylor's boyfriend, who lived with her in the apartment." to "Kenneth Walker, Taylor's boyfriend whom was visiting her at her apartment." Cchase88 (talk) 15:29, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
Change "Also shown is it's location within Kentucky" to "Also shown is its location within Kentucky" Rightmire (talk) 21:56, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
There are a few points in the article that I have found to be untrue according other sources. As this is my first time helping with an article I am hoping this is how I am supposed to do it. Ill just list them in order as I found them along with what is the correct information is, along with a link to the source.
Breonna Taylor was shot 5 times not 8 [1]
Breonna and Jamarcus were dating up until one month before the raid. There are recorded jail house calls from January 2020 that showed they were still dating then. [2][3]
The officers did knock and at least one witness has claimed to have heard them announce their selves. Which has a source that it already listed on the page. [4]
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Here a few other sources that claim that she was shot five times. Maybe just change the wording in article to read that she was shot multiple times to give it more validity, since the amount is being reported in different numbers. [1] [2] 2604:6000:A0C2:6300:D89D:C101:F6F1:361F (talk) 17:11, 4 September 2020 (UTC)IdleTimeIdleMind
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She was shot five times, according to the The Courier-Journal, which has led much of the coverage on the story and acknowledges that they previously got it wrong (as eight) on numerous occasions.[1] The articles claiming eight shots are from prior to the release of the coroner's death certificate in July[2]—the USA Today article, for example, is from May. There is no excuse for insisting that Wikipedia include false information because a source claimed it prior to more information becoming available—this is just silly. I have updated the article—feel free to find a RS that states Taylor was shot 8 times after the above sources, as well as explains where they got the number eight from. Elle Kpyros (talk) 04:03, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
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As the Courier-Journal, which has led reporting on this story, has made clear, "Various social media posts and media reports have said Louisville police gunned down Taylor as she was asleep in bed." For that reason, it seems important to specify that Taylor and Walker were in bed watching a movie when the police arrived, that they got out of bed when they heard banging, and that Taylor was killed in her hallway. I can see no reason not to include this information, especially as RS have taken pains to clarify numerous "rumors" that she was asleep and/or in bed when killed. [1] Please let me know if there's any reason this information should be deliberately excluded. Thanks! Elle Kpyros (talk) 05:02, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
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Incorrect information is be propagated on this page. Many people believe what they read on Wikipedia and it is the responsibility of Wikipedia to correct the information PatriotsTruth (talk) 21:18, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
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NO KNOCK SEARCH WARRANT IS INCORRECT, IT HAS BEEN STATED TODAY BY THE JUDGE AND THE NEWS THAT THIS was NOT a "no-knock" warrant & officers announced their presence 104.218.82.241 (talk) 18:31, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
No need to cite any source. The NY Times source quoted in the lede no longer reflects what is posted on the page. The NY Times article cited says went to execute a search warrant that was changed from no knock to knock — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:46:C801:B1F0:8EF:C96F:3AD1:C8CA (talk) 01:25, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
"While the department had gotten court approval for a 'no-knock' entry, the orders were changed before the raid to 'knock and announce,' meaning that the police had to identify themselves."
Who changed the orders? Was it the court? Was it the department? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:989:4401:3830:0:0:0:D005 (talk) 21:49, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Louisville has Washington Post covering the Louisville aftermath riot interviewing residents like Neal Robertson, Erica Bowman, Carl Ford, and Mike Tracy who protested peacefully about the verdict of the jury.
Sometime later (messy timeline) two Louisville officers were shot and then after news reporters tried to interview a officer by the name of Robert Schroeder. (May be continue) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noelm590 (talk • contribs) 14:23, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
Two requests for clarification to be made to this article:
1) A reference in this article is entitled "Woman shot and killed by Kentucky police who entered wrong home," yet there is no mention in the article's text of Taylor's apartment either being or not being the wrong home. Please add clarification of whether Taylor's apartment was indeed the wrong home.
2) "Walker, a licensed firearm carrier, shot first, striking a police officer in the leg"
To add to the article: was the door to the apartment open or closed at this time? When the door was broken down should be added to this paragraph in order that the narrative make sense.
Thank you
173.88.246.138 (talk) 20:19, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
(24 days later) It is ridiculous that these basic clarifications have not yet been added to this article. Please add the following:
Members of the public are continuing to claim that Taylor's apartment was the "wrong apartment," so this clarification does need to be added to the article!
Thank you for adding these pieces of information promptly, and not continuing to ignore these issues. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 19:42, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
Breonna was shot 6 times, not 5, according to the 2nd citation (https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/crime/2020/06/16/breonna-taylor-fact-check-7-rumors-wrong/5326938002/). This conflicts with the first citation (https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/crime/2020/07/17/breonna-taylor-lay-untouched-20-minutes-after-being-shot-records/5389881002/) from the same website but it is more recent (updated sep24). Akshit Aireddy (talk) 01:04, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
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221.254.158.62 (talk) 01:47, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
The Police Officers did announce they were Police before entering.
Their body cams clearly shows this.
Important to mention the members of NFAC accidentally shooting each other while gathering prior to their march. Gives context that NFAC members are clout chasing LARPers who were handed loaded weapons, rather than an actual militant group that should be taken seriously. FactCheck2Q2Q (talk) 14:38, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
To add to this article: exactly how was Mattingly injured (by a gunshot?); if by a gunshot, who fired that shot? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 17:25, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
The article falsely says there was a no knock warrant this is incorrect PatriotsTruth (talk) 21:15, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
"A New York Times reporter talked to a dozen neighbors and found that only one of them, who was on the staircase immediately above Taylor's apartment, heard the officers shout "Police!" once and knock three times."
Where exactly in the source does it say that the neighbor only heard the police knock three times? Can someone provide the exact sentence that says this? Joelaroche (talk) 21:01, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
The image should be changed to maybe a photo of her Superpotateo (talk) 21:20, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
((geodata-check))
I know that Breonna Taylor was killed in an apartment complex, and when you click on the link it takes you to a parking lot.
2600:8801:9501:8500:9DB9:6254:C73:2B8D (talk) 22:23, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
I’m not sure we need the actual coordinates but if they’re going to be on there they should be correct. Hayleyj325 (talk) 22:36, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
In the news Sept. 27, 2020:
173.88.246.138 (talk) 01:31, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
They didn't hear it? That's what it says later in the article, using that same ref. They know they would have heard it so it didn't happen? That's how the above quote is justified? This is a large part of what the case rests on, and its supported by a ref that can't easily be checked, and also looks like it's being misused or used differently in different sections of the article. Peregrine Fisher (talk) 02:06, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
The NYT says: In interviews with nearly a dozen neighbors, only one person said he heard the officers shout “Police!” a single time.
[3] "Deny" might be WP:OR, as saying they did not hear it can be different than saying the police did not do it.—Bagumba (talk) 12:23, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
Of the roughly one dozen people that I spoke to, I found only one neighbor, and it was the man who happened to be immediately on the staircase above Breonna Taylor’s apartment, who said that he heard the police announce themselves.(Go to [4] and click on TRANSCRIPT.)
Everybody else said that the first thing they heard were the shots.
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Change Taylor's boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, thought they were intruders and fired a gun at them. According to officials, it hit Mattingly in the leg.
To Taylor's boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, thought they were intruders, fired a gun at them which hit Mattingly in the leg.
I suggest this because the fact that the officer was hit is not in question. 2600:8802:3200:AA7:50E7:7307:73C4:46D1 (talk) 07:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Officials say Mr Walker's bullet struck a police officer, Jonathan Mattingly, in the leg - an injury for which he later required surgery.[5]—Bagumba (talk) 07:29, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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"On September 23, the night after the grand jury verdict was announced, protesters gathered in the Jefferson Square Park area of Louisville, as well as many other cities in the United States, including Los Angeles, Dallas, Minneapolis, New York, Chicago, Atlanta, Cincinnati, Denver, Nashville, Philadelphia, Seattle, San Diego, Las Vegas, and Portland.[89][90]" Please change "as well as many other cities in the United States" to "in addition to many other cities in the United States" becuase the sentence structure sounds better. Thank you! 73.167.238.120 (talk) 02:19, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
What do you guys think about a new article just for the protests, such as we did with George Floyd protests and Kenosha protests? It seems just as big of a story as the shooting itself, with a number of protesters arrested, injuries, and 2 police officers shot. Albertaont (talk) 05:22, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
I added "or if" to the police possibly announcing themselves. Taylor's attorney claims the police didn't, and multiple witnesses including Walker didn't hear the police announce themselves. Therefore, whether they even announced themselves at all is disputed.
Someone undid the edit claiming "An investigation that included a corroborating witness recently concluded that they both knocked and announced themselves. See shooting section. If you disagree then we can discuss on the talk page." That investigation hasn't released any evidence that shows why they said the police announced themselves. For all we know, Daniel Cameron could be lying. The Police have lied about this case before. In Walker's phone call, he acts as if the police never announced themselves. Multiple witnesses said they never heard the police announce themselves. In addition, Taylor's attorney claims the police did not announce themselves. Thus, whether or not the police even announced themselves is in dispute. Pineapple4321 (talk) 01:20, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
According to the Washington Post "Moreover, in a CNN interview Wednesday night, Walker’s attorney, Steven Romines, said the witness to whom Cameron was referring initially said he did not hear the police announce themselves. And he repeated that assertion in a second interview. It was only after his third interview that he finally said he heard an announcement. That’s critical context that Cameron neglected to mention." https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/09/24/correcting-misinformation-about-breonna-taylor/ Pineapple4321 (talk) 01:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
You can hear the witness say the police did not identify themselves here https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/09/24/correcting-misinformation-about-breonna-taylor/ Pineapple4321 (talk) 13:36, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
The clip is here. https://www.vice.com/en/article/bv8qyd/breonna-taylor-investigation-witness-changes-story Also the only proof for the police announcing themselves is the police claiming so (keep in mid the police have lied about this case before) and one witness. The other witnesses say they never heard the police. Also we don't know everything about what the grand jury was shown, and one grand juror is suing over it, so we should not necessarily view what the grand jury and Daniel Cameron said as definitive proof of what happened. Pineapple4321 (talk) 02:39, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
This article really should be titled "Killing of Breonna Taylor". I know an IPposter doesn't carry much weight, but there it is. 172.58.230.206 (talk) 17:15, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
I'm sure this has been asked a zillion time, but what is the consensus on the capitalization of the word black? Thanks Darth Flappy «Talk» 21:16, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
It is not up to us. The consensus is irrelevant, it is entirely up to the RS. If the material was properly sourced this question would not exist. Race is not included in the vast majority of reports nor in any of the cited sources for the lede. Leaving POV pushers to go with what makes the least amount of objective sense. Race does not belong on the page. The lede is supposed to reflect the preponderance of the RS, in this case almost none of it explicitly lists race. According to the policy on due weight, emphasis given to material should reflect its relative importance to the subject, according to published reliable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:46:C801:B1F0:684D:5F98:D2CF:E8E8 (talk) 07:06, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Article is now consistently lowercase black.—Bagumba (talk) 15:47, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Tip: It is simply a grammar issue. If the word is used as an adjective, then it should be lowercase. If it is used as a noun, it may be capitalized. Examples as adjective: "He is a black man," and "You said he was black." Example as a noun: "It was common for Blacks to be treated differently." Normal Op (talk) 00:30, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Thx much. 172.58.228.89 (talk) 12:01, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
Was the $12 million a settlement that included clauses that the family would not file lawsuits? That's more than the average $1.8 million given to 9/11 families! --2601:C4:C300:1BD0:708E:2510:279C:4124 (talk) 14:32, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
https://www.scribd.com/document/476553473/Breonna-Taylor-Louisville-Metro-Gov-settlement#from_embed has been published by The Courier-Journal.
--2601:C4:C300:1BD0:708E:2510:279C:4124 (talk) 01:18, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
the complete 12 pages of the settlement agreementis that section 9.1 of the settlement agreement refers to the
document attached hereto as Exhibit 1which isn't there. --▸₷truthious Ⓑandersnatch◂ 20:53, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
The summary states without a doubt that the police were executing a "no-knock" warrant at Taylor's home. Initial reports of the incident have police executing a warrant and announcing themselves before forcing their way into the home. "After repeatedly knocking and announcing their presence detectives utilized a ram to enter the apartment."
The reason for this edit is due to the discrepancy of reporting. The only source claiming the police executed a "no-knock" warrant comes from Kenneth Walker's attorney Rob Eggert. The warrants had the "no-knock" clause in them. This means the police may execute a no-knock warrant, but does not require them to. The officers claimed to have announced themselves before entering the building.
""Eggert says police didn't announce themselves before entering the apartment and that Walker fired one shot when he and Taylor heard the door exploding open. "Had Mr. Walker known that police were outside he would have opened the door and ushered them in," Eggert wrote. Police acknowledge using a battering ram, but only after they said they identified themselves. Police have declined to comment further, citing the ongoing investigation."" https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2020/05/21/motion-to-dismiss-filed-in-breonna-taylor-casemotion-dismiss-filed-breonna-taylor-case/5237715002/
"Police had claimed that they knocked on Taylor’s door several times, and said who they were." https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/records-show-how-police-ended-up-raiding-breonna-taylors-home/
The only indication that the police did not announce themselves is from Kenneth Walker's attorney Rob Eggert. This is he-said-she-said dispute as there is no video evidence and both sides have their own reasons to dispute the facts of the case. This is an important clarification since the FBI investigation is not yet complete and the facts of the case are still disputed. Fisher321 (talk) 19:00, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
^This is false, several of Taylor's neighbors have gone on record confirming that police did not announce themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.69.190.69 (talk) 18:05, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
The US Postal Service has since stated that enquiries by another police agency .. not the one enacting the house intrusion .. had proven negative and there was thus no evidence substantiating a link to drugs. The attorneys representing the Taylor family have pointed to real estate projects and the fact that Taylor's former partner, who was still a friend and visitor to her home, had taken action against attempts to clear the block for redevelopment. Two empty properties known to be used for the purpose of drug dealing in the same block were not searched. When writing about legal cases that have not been concluded it is misleading to cite only one side of litigation. The US police have come under scrutiny for racial bias and in this particular case none of the black participants have been linked with criminal activity. Breonna Taylor is, in any case, innocent: at very least innocent until proven guilty. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.249.135.238 (talk) 13:12, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Do you have a source for that? Pformenti (talk) 20:32, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
I inadvertently removed "plainclothes" from the lead. I don't mind if it's restored, but I was also reverted before by someone saying that sources conflicted on what the officers were wearing.—Bagumba (talk) 07:45, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
This edit is basically a rewrite of the article. I would submit it should be reverted and the many diverse changes approached as individual edits, so that they may be properly vetted, on a topic-by-topic basis, by the editors. John2510 (talk) 14:05, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Struthious Bandersnatch—try to err on the side of making multiple incremental edits. I am referring to this edit. This is not only an already-existing article but it is additionally a well-developed article. Multiple, incremental edits make it easier for others to oppose or at least quibble over changes being made. Bus stop (talk) 15:11, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
properly vetanything. @Bus stop: Nice try pitching a diff where I nearly maxed out the comment length explaining what I was doing while you're trying to hang on to John2510's coattails about an edit that "defies summary!"—which is also is able to leap tall buildings in a single bound, thank you for the compliment. --▸₷truthious Ⓑandersnatch◂ 01:20, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
properly vetthe edit—in the, what, 56 hours or so it's been since I made it? --▸₷truthious Ⓑandersnatch◂ 01:53, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
@Bus stop: Nope, still not similar. In addition to explaining what I did in the edit comment you are directly linking to and acting as though you can't see it, I also announced my change in the talk page discussion up above which you had ignored to make your six edits in which you changed every racial detail in the lede. Then I even responded to your surreptitiously-edited comment about it. And then above in this thread when you brought it up again I re-explained that it's the edit comment which details the reasons I made the edit.
That's four explanations you've gotten; all I've had in response is you acting like you can't see any of the sources or any of my own arguments, as you've been doing for more than a week now with nearly everything I say and nearly everything I link to. So your personal preferences are no valid justification to override the concerns expressed in the (ongoing) talk page discussion above and the status quo ante of the lede. Y'know, this should really go in the other thread; I'm going to create a new subsection and continue up there. --‿Ꞅtruthious 𝔹andersnatch ͡ |℡| 04:53, 12 October 2020 (UTC)