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Hardly gay, not even closet gay. He had a girlfriend. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.253.186.62 (talk) 19:53, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
In the infobox it says Poland is where homo hop formed, and it derives from Polish hip hop. Source, please? TomUSA 20:53, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
It says that Frank Ocean is openly gay (true) but does not indicate any affiliation with 'homo hop' movement. Is he automatically affiliated via being boh homosexual and a hip hop artist? Did he claim membership in the movement? Is it not possible for a heterosexual person to be a part of the homo hop movement? I think these are questions that need to be resolved before directly associating Frank Ocean with the movement. Otherwise, he should be confined to a list such: list of openly lgbt hip hop performers — Preceding unsigned comment added by L.cash.m (talk • contribs) 21:46, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
I just wanted to explain the rationale behind my decision to move this page from the longstanding title homo hop.
A few weeks ago, someone created a second article, at the title Queer Hip Hop, about a completely different set of rappers who have been getting more mainstream media attention in 2012 and 2013. While there is certainly some evidence that the term "homo hop" does in fact seem to have faded out of use, there's no reliably sourced evidence at this time that they should actually be treated as distinct subgenres of hip hop with their own separate articles; rather, they're just different terminologies within the evolution of the same thing rather than inherently distinct phenomena.
Accordingly, what I've opted to do for the time being is to merge the two articles into one at a common title. If somebody can provide adequate sourcing for why "homo hop" of the 2000s and "queer hip hop" of the 2010s might be distinct enough to warrant separate articles, then they can be spun back out again, and if somebody's got a better idea for how the merged article should be titled, then by all means we can discuss that as well — but given the relatively short length of even the merged article and the fairly limited sourcing that's actually present, there's not a lot of evidence that they require two separate articles. Bearcat (talk) 07:56, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
Also since we are talking about inclusion it would be nice to add a > QIA[1]
X-pert Dreamer (talk) 00:51, 6 February 2015 (UTC)X-pert Dreamer
"The genre is not marked by a specific production style—artists within it may simultaneously be associated with virtually any other subgenre of hip hop—but rather by a lyrical focus on LGBT themes."
I disagree with this statement not all gay rappers talk about being gay in every single song, album, etc Just as not every white rapper talks about being white or every straight rapper raps about being straight. This is a product of societal norms and should be removed, rephrased or sourced
X-pert Dreamer (talk) 23:45, 5 February 2015 (UTC)X-pert Dreamer
LGTBQIA Hip Hop genre is not marked by a specific production style or lyrical focus, rather what unites this genre is the positive influence it has had among helping to make hip hop inclusive to various sexual orientations thus creating a more accessible art form.
Something like this? X-pert Dreamer (talk) 00:36, 6 February 2015 (UTC)X-pert Dreamer
It is distinguished by its discontent with society in general, and specifically society's disapproval of the gay, bisexual, lesbian and transgender communities.That definition is vague, which is appropriate, because the boundaries of the genre are not universally accepted by the queercore community, and probably never will be.
There should be a section which reflects to the black community &/or African diasporan community overwhelming homophobia and how this art form has helped to combat this. Who is the face of rap? Can that change? Can there be multiple truths?
We cannot talk about sexuality in Hip hop without referencing female rappers and their opinions on the matter.
For example [1]
X-pert Dreamer (talk) 23:54, 5 February 2015 (UTC)X-pert Dreamer
I'm suggesting we have a section talking about Homophobia within the black community and how the accessibility of these artists helps relieve some of that pain
and I suggest we include a section talk about women (not necessarily queer women) and their contribution to making Hip Hop a more inclusive genre
X-pert Dreamer (talk) 00:22, 6 February 2015 (UTC) X-pert Dreamer
I really appreciate your advice!
X-pert Dreamer (talk) 00:42, 6 February 2015 (UTC)X-pert Dreamer
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Rapper Le1f had a huge issue with Macklemore's song Same Love, which i think is worth mentioning - is there such thing as appropriating sexuality or can allies make music from the opressed point of view [1]
X-pert Dreamer (talk) 00:02, 6 February 2015 (UTC)X-pert Dreamer
(thanks for your thoughtful additions) X-pert Dreamer (talk) 00:29, 6 February 2015 (UTC)X-pert Dreamer
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Why is Brooke Candy listed in the "Notable artists" section, when she complains about the mere existence of the genre in the very section above? Seems somewhat silly to list someone who clearly doesn't want to be associated with the sub-genre. Azealia911 talk 07:14, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
It is odd that there is a whole list of "notable artists" in the genre of LGBT hip hop but no kind of description linking their work to the genre. Most of the artists on the lists have a link to some kind of biography but the biographies often do not explain why the artists are so "notable" in the LGBT hip hop community. I am going to work on expanding on the significance of the artists on this list and start with Yo Majesty. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenee928 (talk • contribs) 17:16, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi there - I intend on developing this article a bit and in doing so I would like to merge it with the "Transgender Representations in hip hop music", and rename the collaborative page "LGBTQ representations in Hip Hop." This endeavor is a part of my final project for a Hip Hop course at Hunter College in NYC. I believe this change and my edits will enrich the article, as some of the current information is somewhat outdated. I will be providing numerous citations to back all of my edits. Please reply with any suggestions you have! Thanks! TristanBlake (talk) 16:12, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
Just a reminder to all editors that the baseline for inclusion in this article's "notable artists" section is that the person is reliably sourced as being openly LGBTQ-identified.
To be included there, a person must meet one or both of two conditions: either (a) a reliable source reference is directly provided here to support the artist's sexual orientation, or (b) their sexual orientation is already discussed and properly sourced in their Wikipedia article. People may not be added here if they have neither of those things: this goes both for non-notable artists who do not have Wikipedia articles at all, and for Tyler, the Creator, who has been added to this article approximately 87,000 times in the past year but has no sources (either here or in his article) to support his purported queerness at all. The section is neither a free-for-all directory of aspiring wannabes, nor a list of people who are speculated in the gossip blogs as maybe being LGBTQ — it is a list of notable artists who are verifiably out as LGBTQ. It is also not for heterosexual musicians who have released LGBT-themed music from the perspective of an ally: those may be mentioned in other sections if their song can be reliably sourced as significant, but heterosexuals are not added to the "notable artists" list on the basis of having released one LGBTQ-themed song — it is strictly a list of artists who are LGBTQ.
Sources or buzz off. Always, and without exception. Bearcat (talk) 14:02, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
I am proposing to merge Homosexuality and hip hop culture (formerly Homophobia in hip hop culture) and Transgender representation in hip hop music into this page: the scopes overlap, the content is largely duplicated, and this article is the best and most complete. (Also, I've recently removed a large swath of similar material from Hip-hop feminism [1]: some of that might perhaps be worked into this article as well.) Cheers, gnu57 21:36, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
I agree, but are we just copying and pasting the 2 articles to this one? Or make it smaller fit in? New3400 (talk) 01:41, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
Banks has a history of animosity towards the LGBTQ+ community. Why is she included as a notable artist? She has compared the LGBTQ+ community to the Ku Klux Klan. Salvapdivad (talk) 22:05, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
Or at least "LGBTQ representation in hip hop music", without the hyphen. I usually hear "representation" used as a mass noun in this context. Enterprisey (talk!) 03:49, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
I thought the article raised some excellent points regarding LGBTQ representations in hip hop both in lyrics and by various artists. However, while the article covered a great deal on the topic, in my opinion it was more of a brief overview regarding the subject matter rather than an in depth analysis of the topic. The page itself only began in October 2020 so there has not been a ton of revisions and added content in comparison to other wikipedia pages. In particular the sources on the topic mainly come from news or non-academic sources focusing on pop-culture. The majority of sources come from hip hop news cites. While they do have a strong knowledge of hip hop, it would have been nice to see sources from scholars. The majority of articles also come from after 2010 and focus on recent developments by artists and hip hop as a whole. There are no articles related to LGBTQ influences in earlier hip hop before the 1990s except in regards to anti-homosexual lingo. The sources also primarily deal with anti-homosexual lingo rather than anti-lesbian or transphobia in hip-hop which is just as prevalent. The article itself was relatively balanced in its approach to the topic utilizing viewpoints from people in the LGBTQ and hip hop communities. The article did provide some quotes from rappers who expressed concerns regarding homophobia in hip hop but demonstrated their own fear of coming out against what was scene as the mainstream culture. The article does not provide a great deal of criticism regarding the recent applications of inclusivity in hip hop and possible commercial uses in the industry. They briefly discuss Nicki Minaj and her uses of homosexuality as a marketing tool but barely provide any evidence to back up their claim. The article failed to discuss female artists and their views on the industry of LGBTQ persons and primarily dealt with just homophobia. There were no images included or links to well know videos readily available for the reader. The discussion page for the article further demonstrates the inconsistencies in the article. There have been multiple instances of artists being included as gay or advocates for the movement when in reality they are not. It was even raised that as they try to correct incorrect statements on the article people continuously alter it to spread misinformation. Overall, I thought the article was helpful to the average reader looking to learn a little more about the interaction between the hip hop and LGBTQ communities but begins to fall apart the deeper you dive in. I think this is a good starting point for the topic but needs further research and clarification. I also believe the article should be turned into two different wikipedia pages with one focusing on homophobia in hip hop wile the other focuses on LGBTQ rappers in the industry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewmitchell715 (talk • contribs)
The articles does include relevant information for the topic although I do not know if the group from our class has added information. I don't believe there are any distractions but the article does need more information to be more focused. The article is neutral does not really have viewpoints the article simply discusses the topic without taking sides. The links do work. There just needs to be more information added to make the topic fully researched.
--Kiessence (talk) 00:11, 21 October 2021 (UTC)Kiessence Bassett
User:FMSky reverted my edit per WP:UNDUE, but it makes no sense. The lead of the article cites mainstream artists that increased visibility and social acceptance of the LGBTQ+ community, why shouldn't cite those cited in the sources that did the opposite??--Diana7800 (talk) 20:10, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
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This is a new section I added to discuss the specific challenges queer female hip hop artists face and bring light to how and why misogyny and homophobia are so ingrained within the hip hop genre. The motivation for this addition was the glaring content gap I noticed in the article--nowhere did it mention the pervasiveness of lesbophobia, nor did it give any substantive space to discuss the presence of (queer) female hip hop artists and their representation in the genre. Before this addition, Missy Elliott, Nicki Minaj, and Syd were never mentioned, and Young M.A. was only mentioned once in passing. I deleted the "Later negative representation" sub-section from under the History section and merged the majority of the content from there into this new section. Frukiiwit (talk) 09:27, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
I think this section is a great start, however, I think the significance of Lil Nas X and the positive LGBT representation he has garnered for the genre deserves at least a paragraph. Furthermore, "Black queer female artists" are mentioned briefly in the very last sentence of this section, almost like an afterthought. More space should be given to prominent queer female artists, like Queen Latifah, Young M.A., Syd, or others, for instance. I attempted to address this content gap with the "Negative representation of women and homosexuality" section I added, but I think the "Evolution" section is a great place to expound upon the more positive representation these female artists have contributed to in hip hop. Perhaps these two ideas (Lil Nas X and more discussion of queer female artists) could even be made into subsections. Frukiiwit (talk) 09:29, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
This whole section is essentially dedicated to the homophobia and misogyny of Eminem lyrics. While he is an excellent example of such negative representation, I question whether he deserves an entire section. How much space should he take up in this article, especially considering the relatively little space other artists take up who arguably should be discussed in as much depth (see previous two entries above)? Would it be worthwhile to cut it down, and perhaps merge the contents of this section with related content elsewhere? I'm thinking it could be made into one paragraph or short subsection in the Evolution section, giving one or two examples of his lyrics and then describing how Eminem eventually apologized for using homophobia slurs in his music (detailed in the "2000s-present" subsection). Frukiiwit (talk) 09:36, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
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why should the opening paragraph talk about tyler the creator being homophobic if he's bisexual Rednazfirewolf (talk) 05:38, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
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