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First New Zealand Artist to have No.1 on US Billboard[edit]
The article claims Lorde to be the first New Zealand artist to reach number one on the US chart, but I think it is recorded on Wikipedia that OMC hit #1 on US Billboard for airplay (Mainstream 40). --86.54.181.194 (talk) 15:01, 11 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: It may be an accurate estimate, but is not a WP:RS. According to the Twitter bio given, the user is "just a chartfreak" who compiles data and sales info from other sources.
I've replaced the "Royals" x Aus cell's dash for an ((N/A)) (((Nonfree)) might be more apposite, but red-ish colour seems unsympathetic – assumedly a warning colour stemmed from use in software releases).
Now that wrinkle's out of the dashes, I'm wondering if the remainders are all "not released in that country" (would be good to eliminate "failed to chart", if not an actuality).
The standard text seems to be "denotes a recording that did not chart or was not released in that territory." Is there any reason why that couldn't be used here? It seems to be a good catch-all. Robyn2000 (talk) 21:27, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I support N/A. I dislike the phrase "— denotes a recording that did not chart or was not released in that territory" because of its ambiguity: what about songs that were not released as singles in some territories, but charted there nonetheless? "— denotes a recording that did not chart in that territory" is less ambiguous and to the point. N/A works for "Royals" because in this instance the EP was counted as a song, and I think it's important to note that. Adabow (talk) 04:26, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
When's the 1st "Royals" could've been considered a download single?[edit]
Given ...
Single_(music)#Culture: "On 1 January 2007 digital downloads (including unbundled album tracks) became eligible from the point of release, without the need for an accompanying physical."
The main subject of the Lorde_discography#Singles table is musical artworks (some of which may chart), not expressly sales/chart results of some products.
and, to come extent, WP's parlance of merging the meanings of songs, singles and tracks.
... it seems misleading if – "then a miracle occurs" – a single's the main deal, glossing over pre-history to the SoundCloud The Love Club EP set and how that somehow wasn't in any respect a single.
Thus, the choice seems to be to treat it as a track (and re-edits/mastering thereof) throughout, or consider "Royals" a sort of single from the self-release – more succinct, than brief/terse vis its article. I've expressed the latter in the Lorde discography Lead and in a Lorde_discography#Singles tabulation which includes The Love Club EP as a contributing release (right col') and taking history back to Nov 2012 – latest 07:14, 5 Jan revision.
@AJMarks4, Adabow, and HĐ: and folks – Any refinement(s) or alternative(s) to solving this approach/conundrum?
That quote from single (music) relates to tracks' eligibility to chart on the UK Singles Chart only. Billboard found a way around the confusion by renaming their charts from "Singles" to "Singles & Tracks" and finally to "Songs" charts; most (probably all) "singles" charts are really "song" charts. Therefore, the statement for unbundled song releases (i.e. downloading a track from an album, as is available for 99% of albums released digitally) being eligible to chart is completely irrelevant. A single release is only when a song is released by the label for sale or by sending to radio playlists. It is an independent product from the albums. I don't understand how you think the "Royals" release could have been in 2012 at all. Adabow (talk) 08:05, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
According to some sources, the song "Glory and Gore" has recently entered the United States' Bubbling Under charts at number 25; therefore, I believe another column for the Billboard Hot 100 should be added in the "Other Charted Songs" section to fill this updated information into this article. 67.141.222.230 (talk) 22:07, 6 February 2014 (UTC) A Wikipedian viewer[reply]
Thanks for the response, but I'm still curious as to where you got the notion that a release automatically loses its status as a single/becomes a promotional single if it's taken down from iTunes. Are there any discussions which resulted in this consensus? I would understand listing "Buzzcut Season" and "Ribs" as such – but those were released for free before they were taken down, which seems to satisfy the definition of a promotional single based on its Wikipedia article. I don't see why "Royals/White Noise" should become a promotional single – it wasn't a release issued for the sole purpose of promoting the artist/building anticipation for an album, but was a purchasable charity single meant to raise funds for War Child. Are charity singles really considered promotional singles? Pardon my confusion, these single/promo singles discussions have been gone over so many times in the past that it's really been so muddled. Holiday56 (talk) 17:25, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I notice that the "Daddy" article merely lists it as a song (though the discography does list it as a promo single) because some editors disagreed on whether to list it as a single or a promotional single. There was a short discussion on the talk page about this which never really got resolved. Holiday56 (talk) 11:44, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
But the point is that the links for the songs you pointed still lasts till date (ex. "Ronan"). But the link for "Royals/White Noise" is no longer available. And that's the difference. Simon (talk) 14:25, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That kinda brings me back to the first point I raised – is there actually any consensus (or even a source) which states that a single becomes reclassified as a promo single if the label takes down its download listing? Holiday56 (talk) 06:53, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This reminds me of what used to happen with physical singles in the ol' days – after a certain amount of time, they were "deleted" and new copies were no longer distributed. This was an extremely common practice and the public would have to wait for re-releases for the single to be available again as a separate song. However, the deletion didn't stop it being considered a single by the record labels if it had been released physically (back before all the confusion we have now a promotional single was usually a record just said to radio that was marked as such on the vinyl – as we know, anything sold for retail was a single). Is this not a similar sort of thing? I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing.14:30, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Good point – I had wanted to make an analogy re. albums/singles going out of print but couldn't really word it properly, so many thanks for bringing this up. Holiday56 (talk) 03:51, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@HĐ: If I may answer this query: X-posed, if I'm not mistaken, is a collection of interviews with artists. Those albums have been released for Katy, Rihanna, etc. prism△18:21, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Pt. 1 Soundtrack[edit]
if the Fifty Shades of Grey soundtrack is in Beyonce's discography when she contribued two songs and the Home soundtrack is in Rihanna's when she contributed three, shouldn't the Mockingjay soundtrack be in hers when she contributed 3/4???
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First of all, Twitter is unreliable itself and the source of the alleged 1 million WW sales is not given; the credibility is even questioned by people in the comments of the Twitter post. Also, if we think logically, Melodrama couldn't have sold 1 million copies worldwide. Let's say it sold 300,000 in the US, but where should the rest of 700,000 copies come from? With this being said, the provided Twitter post can't be used. Cartoon network freak (talk) 15:59, 25 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The Hunger Games soundtrack is by various artists, not Lorde. It shouldn’t be included in her discography just cause she produced it and had a few songs on it. Ss112 said "Lorde curated the soundtrack, just like Beyonce did for The Lion King: The Gift and Kendrick did for Black Panther". But the difference is, those artists are actually credited as an artist on the soundtrack. Lorde isn’t. 𝔹𝕚𝕝𝕝𝕚𝕖𝕜𝕙𝕒𝕝𝕚𝕕𝕗𝕒𝕟💬23:55, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]