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I have added the templates for "Needs Attention" and "Neutral Point of View." Gyrofrog 18:48, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Would the prime misnister argue his father Negadras Zenawi was once involved as an informant to the enemy(england colonialist)and he got crowened by the U.K because of this and his faher had to flee to Eretrea because Tigrian women refused to marry him because of this cercumstance Meles is half Eritrean and half Ethiopian and that is whay he is wabbling when it comes about the future of those two countries?
I have reverted this article, thus removing the edit submitted by 149.99.45.38 at 00:02, 25 Jan 2005. Note that this is very similar to the edit submitted by 192.30.202.9 at 23:09, 14 Jan 2005, so it's happened before and I'm afraid it will probably happen again. (See my edit under "Needs Attention/POV.")
I am giving this person (or persons) the benefit of the doubt by not considering this to be outright vandalism, since it actually does pertain to the subject of the article. (If anyone thinks I am being overly generous in this regard, please let me know.) I was actually ambivalent about deleting the entire edit, because it might not actually be vandalism.
However I am not so tolerant or generous that I would bother cleaning up the inflammatory epithets, POV, and multiple errors of grammar and spelling just to "balance" the article's POV. If the person(s) who submitted this edit would get a username, refrain from using descriptions such as "Uncle Tom," and engage the other users here at the discussion page, than I might feel differently. Gyrofrog 19:32, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Some people are deleting big portions of the article for no reason. You guys,who are"reverting", are very dedicated. lol The article might need to be locked for vandalism. who agrees?
Asking to see if I'm the only one, but when viewing this discussion page, the "article" tab at the top says "progpaganda" and when viewing the article it says "trash". siafu 05:35, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I have a feeling the person messing up with this article is from Ethiopia. I can't even believe someone would raise such a childish topic that the guy is not circumcised. I really hated this kind of thinking, really backward and i am not trying to be an elitist here. I am from Kenya, and let me tell you, most of my fellow Kenya's are completely brain dead. Basically, there are prepared to vote in a murderer, if the only other option is circumcised man. I have never fugured that out
In his book Globalization and its discontent, page 27 Stiglitz says the guy is trained as a doctor, but have also put a lot of hours to formally learn economics. For those who are asking what he intends to do for the poor, look elsewhere please. I think that question should be directed to IMF. According to Stiglitz, and i quote "Meles showed that, with the right policies in place, even a poor African countries could experience sustained growth. After years of war and rebuilding, international assistance was beginning to return to the country. But Meles was having problems with IMF" end of quote.
See IMF suspended its programs in Ethiopea because of actions that they guy took to mitigate poverty. For example, he paid up a loan to an American bank early. His reasoning was, since the interest the government was earning from reserve was less than the interest the govenment was paying for the loan, why not use the government reserve to pay up the US bank loan immediately. Very sound financial decision. Believe it or not, this was one of the reason to can the Enhanced structural Adjustment facilities program. This is not in Stiglitz book, but my guess is, IMF was not happy because when the loan was cleared asap, the US bank lost a chance to earn a comfortable interest
This book is full incidents like this. Brother, before you go nailing this guy, look for "Globalization and its discontent" and you will find yourself looking at the world in a completely different perspective. The world is more complicated than it seem on first look. I was like you sometimes back.
The current version of the article contains the line "Mr. Zenawi true autocratic leadership style - long known to Ethiopians - is being revealed to the rest of the world." This is biased unsourced commentary and I would appreciate it if someone would find a NPOV rewording. - BanyanTree 21:27, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
This is about tag cleanup. As all of the tags are more than a year old, there is no current discussion relating to them, and there is a great deal of editing done since the tags were placed, or in some cases it's clear there is a consensus, they will be removed. This is not a judgement of content. If there is cause to re-tag, then that of course may be done, with the necessary posting of a discussion as to why, and what improvements could be made. Better yet, edit the article yourself with the improvements in place. This is only an effort to clean out old tags, and permit them to be updated with current issues if warranted.Jjdon (talk) 23:45, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Should'nt there be a little list of pm at the bottom? —the preceding comment is by 69.116.155.49 - 22:16, 25 February 2006: Please sign your posts!
Its clear to see that this entire article was created by and is maintained by Herr Zenawi's internet soldiers. There is a vast gap in knowledge about the prime minister. His biography starts not with his birth but with his completion of courses at the open university. the rest of the article is filled with talking points directly from the EPRDF. This article is heavily biased in favor of the prime minister. There is no mention except in the criticism area about the genocide of the Anauk community in 2003, the violence of the 2005 elections, the mass arrests and torture of opponents during and after the 2005 election and the intimidation and discrepancies of the 2010 election. Something has to be done to bring this article up to snuff with the truth out there available on the internet.
please explain in detail
In the above article on Meles Zenawi, there is a section entitled Anuak genocide which seems to be dealing with the civil unrest and massacre which took place in the Gambella region of Ethiopia in the month of December 2003. My question is this: who declared it a genocide? What is the writer's reference in stating what happened was a genocide?
An act or disturbance, according to the 1948 genocide convention, has to fulfill a set of strict criteria to be labeled a genocide. Labeling an act a genocide requires a deliberate and thorough investigation as it invariably entails an intervention by the U.N and all signatories to the Convention. While the events of December, 2003( Gambella) are sufficiently well documented and known to be a civil disturbance in which many Anuaks died, they have not been labeled a genocide by any authority or agency. Secondly, I am still wondering what this has to do in Meles Zenawi's biographical article. The December,2003 civil disturbance in Gambella were NOT instigated by Meles Zenawi.It can be mentioned it happened on his watch, but in its present form in the Meles article, is very misleading. This is an issue, I believe, which should have its own expanded entry elsewhere- of course- with a referencing and documentation up to Wikipedia's standards. --Ironinmohscale 12:06, Dec.15,2006
. And Yob, thanks for helping me. Meles is the only pm,so there is no need for a list
Since the Eritrea paragraph seems to be presenting Eritrea as the sole perpetrator in the problems that Ethiopia and Eritrea have had since Eritrean independence, I think it should be mentioned that Meles Zenawi's regime expelled at least 3,000 and according to Amnesty International estimates 50,000 Eritrean citizens of Ethiopia during the Eritrean-Ethiopian war due to their heritage. "CBC News"
Badme is Eritrean territory and not Ethiopian according to an UN boundary commission. Thus I shall remove anything stating the contrary. --82.156.100.120 14:02, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
I have only edited factual errors. I have not edited anything in this article, because of my personal beliefs or thoughts. I am concerned about the neutrality of this article, but I have written about that on the discussion page. So, exactly what should I try again? --82.156.100.120 14:02, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't know who has edited it now, but the Eritrea paragraph is a mess now. Someone should revise it.82.156.100.120 21:10, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
ARTICLE != facts as far as the facts go eritrea ocupied bademe as a reaction of ethiopia currencyreform and eritrea was part of ethiopia for milenia the UN says badme is eritrean territory based on maps of the Italian fascist invasion this cant be the criteria in this case eritrea gained souvereignety in peace with ethiopia and thus the border are only defined on that act of seperation, not on what mousoulinin said to be eritrea.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.171.131.86 (talk) 13:19, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
In line three of the third paragraph in the Interim to PM section of this article it calls the police force illiterate. While I don't know for sure if they are or not, it's not relevant in the context it's used in. Just wanted to point that out. Thanks.--Ryan 15:06, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Whats up with the edit war. Also see Wikipedia:Footnotes for the format needed for footnotes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Halaqah (talk • contribs) 09:26, 4 January 2007 (UTC).
Is this propaganda or is there any founding to it?
"Also according to RAND corporation, several Al-Qaeda fugitives had "found sanctuary in Somalia" and exploited the lack of government.[1] There were also several Al-Qaeda operatives identified in southern Somalia. [2]Despite Western interest to solve the problems in Somalia, RAND claims that world powers have failed to practiced their will, particularly in financing the peacekeepings and humanitarian assistance. In addition other analysts have identified documents and Al-Qaeda letters to increase their involvement in Somalia.[3]" Somnabot 15:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
As we have seen before Prime Minster Meles killed a lot of people in Somalia or he gave the order to kill innocent Somali Citizens, I am not defending Alshabab, beacuse as Msulim I belive that they are not fighting for religion and protecting Islam, but Meles sent troops to Somalia who are still operating inside Somalia and killing people including women and children.
I would have to say , Mr. Meles that is not the solution. If youa are feeling that Islmists will spread to Ethiopia, It will be fueling the situation if you sent your tigray youth to Kill Somali Children — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.55.101.174 (talk) 07:45, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
I was wondering whether or not someone should add the part where the opposition members of the government were charged with multiple crimes, and sentenced to life in prison. This present article presents Meles as a saint, while in fact he is basically another African dictator who crushes dissent and any opposition to his government. -- User talk:yardalhirji 14:49, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
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While some discussion of his policies is inevitable, this is supposed to be an account of Zenawi's life, not an exhaustive listing of his actions while in office. I suggest serious cuts, plus toning down of POV (which is present) and grammar fixes. Biruitorul 21:41, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Emotions run way too high among editors who have contributed to this article. Someone without ties to the region should rewrite the many NPOV-violating sections. --NEMT (talk) 00:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
I am appalled by the condition that this article is in. It is clear to me that somebody or some people with a confusing combination of moony-eyed Zenawi-worship and poorly informed English grammar has or have hijacked what ought to be an unbiased, fluid, easy-to-read English-language article on the man who runs Ethiopia. I want whoever is putting these biased edits in to know that I respect their country and understand their desire to express their point of view, but that Wikipedia is not a soapbox and they are not doing a service to it by muddling foreigners' appraisal of their current leader.
Is "Meles" his surname, or is it "Zenawi"? I'm not familiar with Ethiopian names. Josh (talk) 03:04, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
What we Tigreans use to refer to any one from Tigray is the word TIGREAN An we say He is a Tigrean.They are Tigreans.I am writing this to show the correct spelling of the word used to call someone who is from Tigray. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.193.12.61 (talk) 17:45, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
The article isn't bad, but the lead is far too short, and whole sections do not have a single reference, when generally what is sought is at least two per paragraph. Changing some of the paragraphs so that therer are fewer really short paragraphs would probably help a lot as well. John Carter (talk) 13:34, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Apparently, rumors abound regarding the supposed death of Meles Zenawi. The government has only acknowledged that he has been ill. (news link) Meanwhile, over the past few hours there has been a flurry of activity on this article, changing it to indicate (without sources) that Meles Zenawi has died followed by reverts to change it back. (I've noticed that the date and/or cause of supposed death changes with each series of edits.) If this keeps up then we may have to protect the page. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 03:35, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Supposedly Mr. Zenawi just died, according to BBC World Service Radio. I don't know how credible it is, but I think the BBC might have said "confirmed" on his death. State media reports similar things, that after weeks of illness he died. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19328356 --173.79.243.89 (talk) 04:42, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
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There was a misleading information, which appears to be a deliberate one, posted about the death of Meles Zenawi. Can the editor come out and say why the wrong news, or apologize to all affected. If it was a deliberate one, wikipedia has the responsibility to let all Ethiopians know who is behind.
74.62.115.77 (talk) 22:41, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
As there is a nomination for posting this article at ITN, perhaps we can identify and resolve any POV issues (if they still exist) and remove the neutrality tag that seems to be here since May 2008. Chocolate Horlicks (talk) 07:52, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
"his government has also come under criticism including for repression of the Oromo people and for failure to capitalize on the military victory in the Eritrean–Ethiopian War." I think there is a better way to summerize this, he was not only known for oppressing Oromo people, would it not be better to summerize his oppression and the claims of human rights violation and political repression in a broader way.? I also checked an the failure to capitalize is not a notable point which is lead material, true or false no serious RS are discussing this. --Inayity (talk) 08:53, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
I am not sure how to categorize this issue but the tone and the entire content seems like it needs some work. Please have a look.--Inayity (talk) 10:18, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
This article is becoming too long to read, as it is primarily about his political career. I don't know which detail is unnecessary, even when this person is recently dead. Either splitting off portions into a new page or condensing this article is enough for general readers. However, we are discussing a former Prime Minister from Ethiopia, and it's not like Barack Obama, is it? Anyway, I could care less about this person because I have not done a trip to Ethiopia. Perhaps someone interested can help out? --George Ho (talk) 05:31, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
"He also said that since this was how the nationalities were before colonization, ethnicity was the language they understood best."
This unsourced quote is attributed to Zenawi. Ethiopia was never colonized. Zenawi, like most Ethiopians, was well versed in Ethiopian history. This sentence should be removed from the article.
Why does the article include any info about his death and funeral, although every detail is given?Egeymi (talk) 18:51, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Quotation from Bereket Simon is wrongly attributed. The source (Verhoeven on AlJazeera[1]) makes no reference to Bereket Simon, let alone quote him at length. Egsteve1 (talk) 09:15, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
A lot of unsourced content was recently removed.
It's hard to imagine all of this was made up. Therefore, I moved the removed content to a subpage of mine, where editors can feel free to add references to it, and then reinsert that passage into the article.
Hope it helps. --Activism1234 23:41, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
The topic of ethnic federalism as applied in Ethiopia could be spun off into a separate article. There have been various papers and at least one book-length academic compilation published on the topic.--A12n (talk) 11:06, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
I am suggesting we move all of that content about his domestic policy, and foreign errors (typo)to the article above. This current article is far too long. Awaiting agreement. --Inayity (talk) 06:38, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
The new article on Meles as a PM, already has in the Foreign policy section, we should stub it in this article and add the hatnote. --Inayity (talk) 21:01, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
I think the article is biased and not properly cited --يوسف حسين (talk) 17:31, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
I was referring to the introduction. There was something like he "was known to ethiopian people as a brutal dictator who favored his own ethnic group" and that was not even cited --يوسف حسين (talk) 18:13, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
The article has become completely useless, it all it talks about is his foreign policy, human rights violations, his death and his accolades. It tells us nothing about his reforms, domestic policies, or his time as rebel leader during the Ethiopian Civil War. Some that informatiom is in the premiership article, and that should be merged back in. It's not enough but it's a start. Charles Essie (talk) 16:25, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
The lead is for an overview, not nuanced details about Meles government. So the details I have just reverted do not belong in the lede. Which should summarize. Also we should try to separate the Ethiopian government from Meles, just as we do with Obama administration and Obama. Because then what happens is we duplicate info and Meles becomes the Ethiopian government. (that is just my take). And we can look at similar pages for a guide.--Inayity (talk) 07:13, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
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The current article about Meles Zenawi is highly biased for the party he (Meles) runs. The fact is he is a double-faced dictator. Melese Zenawi is a mass killer and has many records that show he killed many people while in a he was in fight and also after he came to power. Also this man was the most corrupted man in the history of Ethiopian leaders. Therfore the article needs to be updated with all this information — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.107.0.81 (talk) 22:19, 11 November 2011 (UTC) |
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I can tell the Foreign affairs section and others aren't neutral because they conflict on basic facts. In the history we read
"following the Eritrean troops invasion of Badme and parts of Sheraro woredas"
Later in the foreign affairs it says that Ethiopia invaded Eritrea starting the war while Eritrea wasn't doing anything.
If it's disputes territory then say something to that effect "in 1998 Eritrea sent troops into disputed border towns of .... Ethiopia responded with military force... Etc etc..."
I don't know the history but as it reads it's just two different partisans attempting to state as fact their perspectives not a neutral historical account. Im.thatoneguy (talk) 23:38, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
There is a big contentious issue about his birth date. I extensively search in Google and some sources say he was born on 8 May and other 9 May, which share tantamount assertion in all sides (comparing Google Books references [2] (9 May) and [3] (8 May)) . Some obituary sources I found from mainstream news such as BBC, Al-Jazeera and AP News asserted that he was born on 8 May. I want to know consensus around involving editors in this article. The Supermind (talk) 12:29, 1 September 2022 (UTC)