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see http://www.amazon.com/Discovery-Nag-Hammadi-Texts-Christianity/dp/159477045X —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.17.50.44 (talk) 14:40, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
There seems to be an error loading the Gnostic Cross image. Sadly, I'm not sure how to fix this...
The information on this page is excellent, however the subject matter in current popular culture seems to be far better known by the name of Gnostic Gospels than "Nag Hammadi library". Even looking at the references on the page, the books that are quoted tend to use the name Gnostic Gospels. I therefore propose moving this page to Gnostic Gospels (where I saw that someone had created a stub page, since they couldn't find this one, but I changed it into a redirect for now). Any opinions supporting or opposing the move? --Elonka 12:42, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
I've altered it from the blatently anti-HbHg statement "...which has been since proven to be unreliable, as much of that book's research and claims of "fact" were based on forged medieval documents which had been created for the Priory of Sion hoax." to "Much of that book's research was based on the hypothesis that allegedly forged medieval documents which had been created for the Priory of Sion hoax were in fact, what they claimed to be."
The reasons being that: 1) The research by the authors of HbHg was using the Priory documents to fill in spots already left blank by our history books. They weren't deliberitly pulling stuff out of their asses as the old line suggests, rather, they were analyzing if the Priory Docuement's attempts to fill the holes left by scholarly works are at all plausible. 2) They don't make claims of fact, that clearly lay out that their sections dealing with the Priory Documents are based off of Hypotheses and speculation, they make no effort to hide that and say "such and such did do this for sure!" 3) You can't prove speculation for which there is circumstantial evidence (and little or no evidence to the contrary) as "unreliable" 4) Yes, I just noticed some grammer errors, will fix.
I therefore concluded that the person who wrote that sentence in regards to Dan Brown's book and the Holy Blood, Holy Grail probably hasn't even read either one, and at best has only read the Da Vinci Code, and I've changed the text to be more neutral in it's assessment of self-proclaimed speculation, that makes up the HbHg. --xx-Mohammad Mufti-xx 07:50, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
User:999 reverted my addition of Biblical archaeology to the "See also" section by saying "article doesn't even mention gnosticism". But the Nag Hammadi library is an archeological find which is relevant to the compilation of Biblical scriptures. This is my interest and I believe that others would be interested in more background of about Biblical archaeology in studying this subject, including both gnostic and non-gnostic scriptural writings. Also, I don't think that a reasonable link added in good faith should be reverted without discussion, as if it were vandalism. --Ben Best 16:55, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
The story of who copied or held the codices, and why they were buried, is in need of revision, and I would like to offer some rationale for my changes. Currently the problematic section of the article reads as follows:
The codices are believed to be a library hidden by monks from the nearby monastery of St Pachomius when the possession of such banned writings denounced as heresy was made an offense. The zeal of Athanasius in extirpating non-canonical writings and the Theodosian decrees of the 390s may have motivated the hiding of such dangerous literature.
For a start, this passage is inconsistent with Wikipedia guidelines on at least three counts: (1) No sources are cited; (2), There are weasel words such as "believed" and "may"; and (3), Words such as "zeal," "motivated," and "dangerous" might suggest a non-NPOV.
Indeed, there are long-standing objections in the academic literature. A link to nearby Pachomian monasteries was suggested in a provisional and posthumous report by John Barns published in 1975.[1] In an appendix to that report, E.G. Turner argued that Barns had taken his paleographic findings too far. Nonetheless, James Robinson accepted Barns' conclusions and popularized them via his "Introduction" to The Nag Hammadi Library in English.[2] Subsequent analyses also threw doubts on the proposed link,[3] but by this time the story was firmly welded to the Nag Hammadi legend. The following objections are summarized from a paper by Pachomian scholar, Armand Veilleux[4]:
Of course it is possible that Robinson's version of the story is true. To that extent, the weasel words in the passage above are understandable, but misleading without further context. --Tm19 23:52, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
User:P4k recently changed the caption of the image (twice) from "The Nag Hammadi library is a collection of early Christian Gnostic texts discovered near the Egyptian town of Nag Hammadi in 1945." to "Codex IV". The edit summaries haven't been particularly civil, so I thought it might be better to discuss it here, rather than get in a lame edit war.
The former caption may not be ideal, but "Codex IV" goes against Wikipedia:Captions in that it's not a complete sentence. – Quadell (talk) (random) 18:44, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't really see what Philip K. Dick's idiosyncratic, modern mythology has to do with early 2nd and 3rd century Gnosticism, and these texts in particular. Maybe link to him from a more specific aspect of Gnosticism that accords more with his notion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.20.132.128 (talk) 09:04, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
I think his edition (2007 I believe) should be mentioned. I'd do it, but I don't trust that much my English. --Nazroon (talk) 19:51, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
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Removed embedded link - "Are the Coptic Gospels Gnostic?", could be a reference but metalog.org appears to be down. Jonpatterns (talk) 14:35, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
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I don't know enough about the NH library to sort out the sentences below and put each author with the proper position, but the final sentences (in italics for some reason) are garbled and need to be sorted out. It appears that a sentence got inserted into the midst of another sentences and wasn't properly edited. This is the passage I'm seeing:
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Why buried rather than burned? Miistermagico (talk) 05:57, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
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There is a "Khosroev 2016" citation that has been broken since the day it was added (without complete source information). The author has multiple publications that year, including one listed at his ru.wikipedia article, and two more findable quickly with Google search on Aleksandr Leonovich Khosroev 2016. I don't know which source was intended, so I'm not in a position to fix it. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 05:23, 9 December 2023 (UTC)