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That section links to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_media but then a number of the listed media are post-internet. As in actually debuted post-internet not just continued on. Kind of a low level issue but we are all being proudly "obsessive" here on wikipedia right?
"Girly girl" page for example. How does that relate? Because it is a stereotype? Given the lack of every stereotype related page not being listed here, I think that is off and should be removed. Listing the page for Stereotype is enough. If there is some kind of page for women's relationship to the label nerd and nerd culture that could be good. There is definetly enough material on the relationship of sex and this cultural phenomena in both media and in studies of real world dynamics.
Either as a linked page or added to this article. Topics could include how female nerds in particular are/were treated and how women and girls are typically treated and perceived by male nerds, whether the women and girls nerds themselves or not. That has changed over time in some ways and remained the same in others so documenting that would be good.
It seems to me that the fixation page is of pretty low quality, and the type of obsession or obsessive personality trait meant here is something else anyway. Is there a better page to link to? Obsessive compulsive disorder? The page for Compulsive Behavior? Or mabye the fixation page could be expanded and improved. I am thinking bringing in psychology and research beyond and unrelated to Freud is particularly important. Cultural portrayals or references to the idea and connections to modern psychological diagnoses and personality theory too.
I would love to just switch it myself but I am currently just an IP user. If I have time I may try and improve the Fixation page too but I thought it would be a good idea to leave a note here.
Someone told me that there, for example, no way to translate the word into Russian or possibly some other languages, or there isn't any kind of concept like that. Made me wonder if it's mainly american Canadian, etc. I'm wondering if some other countries don't have a social stigma/it's not socially undesirable for someone to pursue "nerdy" pursuits, video games, RPG's, comic books, Japan comes to mind though they have something called an Otaku, but wonder if they are more accepting. The snare (talk) 18:57, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
The closest translation of otaku is obsessive creep. It is more derogatory than calling someone a nerd in English today. Although it is generally spplied more specifically to the fandoms of anime but not the science or computer enthusiasts.
many "nerdy" people (most notably Bill Gates)
— An editor, Nerd#Nerd pride
I disagree with this. Bill Gates is a billionaire, not exactly a man who devotes himself to science. Also, a source is needed to verify if he is a "nerd". It seems too much like a personal opinion, so I think it should be removed. Λίνουξ (talk) 10:43, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Well, here's an interesting thing... I was just doing some hunting for sources on Coan ki when I came across this use of the word - dating from 1694! (scroll down to the text next to the last image, or just Ctrl+F and search for "nerd"...) It seems legitimate (the original text is available online here, if you have access to Adam Matthew), so I'm wondering whether it's worth including in the etmology section. From the context of the passage, it would seem that the word is used to mean "laborer", though that's a guess on my part; I haven't been able to find any etymological source that would indicate what "nerd" meant back in the seventeenth century (or even in 1889, when this source was published). Yunshui 雲水 13:01, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
2601:9:B80:B0B:803B:F585:861F:91EA's addition that nerd dates to at least 1943 appears to be correct, Though the word used is nerdy, and from context it wasn't used in the way we mean today. It describes a list of trades, plumber, printer, farmer, plumber as nerdy guys. This would seem to match User:Yunshui's observation above that the word meant labourer.
Again from context but the word would seem to be in use prior to 1943.--KTo288 (talk) 20:13, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
There's an interesting comment on this on my Talk page from someone who used "gnurd" at MIT in the 1960s; I had deleted his unsourced addition. I won't copy what is technically a message for me without the author's permission (I encourage him to copy his information and my response here), but it's worth a look. Useful for the article if a source can be found (and if it gets added without source I personally will leave it in). Pol098 (talk) 08:51, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
I just wonder, if the word Nerd is related to the name of the Norse / Germanic Njörðr. Who is longing for sea, but check it out yourself. --197.228.20.186 (talk) 14:44, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
I put "Egghead" as a linked article in the "See also" section and it was removed due to lack of sources. I'm pretty sure sources aren't required for "see also" links.--206.255.42.17 (talk) 14:47, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
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I know this has been used in a few videos on yt, just have little chance of finding an example.
In fact, the name their fans have adapted reflects the popularity of this nerdy subculture, "Nerdfighters" or "Nerdfighteria."
Matthias291999 (talk) 19:46, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
I think the article should say that there is a correlation between asperger and nerd, the article used to say that.Granito diaz (talk) 16:18, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
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It says in the article that Steve Urkel from Family Matters was in the Revenge of The Nerds movie. Is that true?2607:FCC8:66CA:1400:7810:BBB7:83B9:31EC (talk) 23:27, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
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Too much vandalism lately; I've requested semi-protection. Mathglot (talk) 13:14, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
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Essays published in longer works are supposed to have quotation marks, not italics. Please change ''Race, Sex, and Nerds: From Black Geeks to Asian American Hipsters'' to "Race, Sex, and Nerds: From Black Geeks to Asian American Hipsters". 108.39.223.134 (talk) 10:46, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Done, per MOS:MINORWORK. Thanks for pointing this out. Sundayclose (talk) 17:10, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
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May I strongly suggest you include in this article a Nerd Venn Diagram to clarify the significant features of Nerds, Geeks, Dweebs and Dorks. [1]for an example.
As a nerd I feel it brings clarity to what I bring to an issue that a geek, dork, or dweeb may not.
The key features of a nerd personality are the Technical Intelligence, Obsession and Social Ineptitude as is made plane in the published nerd venn diagram.
I feel the later is the result of our not being able to 'see' the body language of other people.
Controversial: I do not expect you to include this material until AFTER I publish Das Nerdal.
In writing my book Das Nerdal, that posits the limiting factor on economic production is now the supply of nerds (as yet Unpublished) I've extended this into 3 dimensions and placed it on a sphere and added antipodal to each of the three main properties in the 2D nerd venn diagram their opposite personality feature. They are: Technical Intelligence antipodal to Instinctive Intelligence, Charisma antipodal to Social Ineptitude, and Aimlessness antipodal to Obsession.
Also absent from this article is any discussion of why nerds come into existence, and why they are not being hammered out of existence in western culture (why we are NOT being excluded from good jobs, and the gene pool as we were in China until 2000 [2]). This however is likely beyond the scope of a Wikipedia article.
Needless to say this item will be cited in the book, and any references in it read, if not used.
My big worry is there is some other factor in there other than those six.
Thank you for your time in reading this. Ironwood.Edward (talk) 18:24, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
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The main entry for "Geek" makes claims of semantic drift/reclamation similar to those made here, but here it is explicitly stated that this transformation has not taken place for "geek". The reference is from 2005. Maybe it would be better not to take a position on this, given that it's clearly controversial and only peripherally relevant to the "Nerd" entry. Thoughts? Osticleman (talk) 20:09, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
In the "Bullying" section, it says:
> Individuals who are labeled as "nerds" are often the target of bullying due to a range of reasons that may include physical appearance or social background.[21]
"Social status" would be the most appropriate word here. "Background" would be more appropriate for something like "ethnic background."
98.113.134.196 (talk) 07:25, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
Contradicts the "geek"-entry. Don't have a real source for it but people naming their websites boardgamegeek or something similar speaks of a positive meaning. 2A02:908:C31:9400:4132:355C:A420:5FEE (talk) 08:21, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
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Hi, there's a nice source to add to the reference to the use of "gnurd" at MIT in the 70's: the MIT Museum has a picture of a Gnurd Crossing sign: https://webmuseum.mit.edu/media.php?module=subjects&type=popular&kv=147&media=76 Keystone77 (talk) 20:47, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
I suggest immediately following reference [16] (ie ...1965.[16]...) add this new reference: [1] (Btw if there's anything I can do to be more helpful in this pls let me know, I'm new to this. Thanks.) Never mind - since I was upgraded to Autoconfirmed user I made the edit myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keystone77 (talk • contribs) 02:07, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
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There have been numerous characters in fiction over the years that have used the "Nerd" or "Geek" character trope. I want to compile a list of all of these in a separate article. There is already such a list for the "Tomboy" character trope, so I will model this list after that one. But first I need a red link that I can follow to create the list. But since this page is protected, I need someone with access to create that link for me. Henrik242E (talk) 18:04, 27 August 2022 (UTC)