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I added a small paragraph explaining their presence and a small paragraph for Harry and Hobby so someone doesn't have to click to read all about them while reading Norman's article.--Kozmik Pariah 09:05, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
There is an anomaly. From the article intro: "The original Goblin was Norman Osborn, a corrupt industrialist who co-founded a major nanotechnology firm with Dr. Mendel Stromm". I'm not familiar with the comics, but my spidey senses are tingling because this appears to suggest that, when created in the 1960s, the creator of the character knew or described nanotechnology. Does Eric Drexler owe Stan Lee money? Is this some sort of retcon? Or (my suspicion) is the language incorrect? I'd like someone who knows the story to fix this, I don't want to step on something with my big fat assumptions. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 20:09, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
Green Goblin's Last Stand was an early fan film by Dan Poole. It featured the Green Goblin, and in the trailer Bullseye and Mysterio.
Download it here http://files.filefront.com/Green+Goblins+Last+Stand/;944220;;/fileinfo.html
15:44, 2 June 2006 (UTC)Enda80Enda80
After all, he is not and has never been editor of the Daily Bugle or any other publication (AFAIK anyway). Yet the paragraph headed "The Return of Norman Osborn" implies otherwise. I would rather not make the correction, because I do not remember whether it would be more correct to refer to Ben's articles, JJJ editorials or both. Luis Dantas 13:36, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
User:Dr Archeville has suggested on the wikiproject comics Notice Board to merge Harry Osborn and Ultimate Green Goblin into Green Goblin. As the discussion suggestion points to this page, seems as good a place as any to get feedback (e.g. Merge, Keep, etc). Please sign all comments and votes. -Markeer 12:01, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Merge Ultimate Green Goblin, but Keep Harry Osborn as a separate article. Harry's status as a supporting character in the Spider-Man comics goes beyond his time as Green Goblin, but I do agree Ultimate Green Goblin is the fruit of the same original tree. -Markeer 12:01, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Keep I disagree with both merges. Markeer already pretty much stated what I think for Harry Osborn, so I'll dedicate this to the Ultimate version. A quick look at the Ultimate categories shows 43 articles. While a chunk of these deal with the comics, a lot of them deal with the characters themselves. And while I understand Wikipedia has no real length requirements, having both characters merged would add an unnecessary length. Ultimate Goblin has a fairly big article now. I personally think this article should be focused mainly on 616 Norman, with brief mentions of other Goblins and respective links to their own pages.--CyberGhostface 14:00, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Merge Ultimate entries are to be avoided when possible, and while the powers, etc, might be slightly different, the character is essentially the same. It's just a variation on the original. Keep Harry separate though, like the Flashes and the Green Lanterns. --Chris Griswold 19:46, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Merge the Ultimate entry into the parent entry (after some cutting down of the plot), but leave Harry's entry where it is. --InShaneee 00:26, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Merge Ultimate GG, Keep Harry Osborn. - HKMARKS 01:14, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Merge Ultimate GG, Keep Harry Osborn as per Markeer´s comments above. Hueysheridan 18:34, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Merge UGG, Keep Harry Osborn, for the reasons Marker made clear. Dr Archeville 20:24, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Merge UGG, Keep Harry Osborn -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 16:27, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Merge UGG, Keep Harry Osborn. WesleyDodds 09:48, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi I'm new at this but I just merged every single green goblin article on wikipedia into one so please don't delete what I edited because all I did was just make way more detail than before _redyugioh 11:27am 6/11/10 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redyugioh (talk • contribs) 15:29, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Discussion closed. Decision was to merge [[Ultimate Green Goblin into Green Goblin, but to keep Harry Osborn separate. --Chris Griswold 19:49, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
I think Norman Osborn was a good man before he became possesed by the evil Green Goblin. I mean, he was responsible for his company, did his best to take care of his son, and, in later issues, tried to help Peter get by in life by offering him a job at Oscorp. Think about what would've happened if Norman Osborn hadn't been caught in the explosion. Would he have still turned to crime and tried to kill Spidey? It's hard to say. But Norman Osborn was no tyrant before the Goblin came into his life. And where did the dog-killing part come from? 71.221.224.233 18:29, 10 September 2006 (UTC)70.58.211.22071.221.224.233 18:29, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I admit the dog killing was very inhumane. But the Goblin did the rest. And Harry does die in Spider-Man 3. Check out his article. Right by the statement that this is Harry's last appearance, there's a link which proves this. 71.221.224.233 20:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)70.58.211.22071.221.224.233 20:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Sorry. Didn't mean to upset anyone. 71.221.224.233 21:21, 10 September 2006 (UTC)70.58.211.22071.221.224.233 21:21, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
No, I don't...it must have been removed. 70.58.211.220
It did. Check with the creators of the Spider Man 3 article. It's like what that guy in Ultimate Spider-Man Volume 8 said: I would have it, but now I don't.
You'll never know if you don't check. And as for the previous response above, let's not swear while we're in this talk room. 70.58.211.220
You're being a jerk. All I'm trying to do is explain how I found this out, and you're just yelling at me for no reason. If you want the link, I'll do my best to find it. But if I can't, then check with the creators of the third movie article. They put the links on the page. 70.58.211.220
I didn't find Harry's death link. But it did say that his storyline would conclude with Spider-Man 3, so I think that's one of the definitions of death. 70.58.211.220
For the love of Pete, check with the creators, for heaven's sake! 70.58.211.220
If you want to check with the creators, leave a message on the article talk page. 70.58.211.220
I meant the creators of the article. I've been trying to get this guy to talk with them and get confirmation. I SWEAR I saw a link by Harry's article two months ago that proves his death. 70.58.211.200
I found it! Here's the link:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/xKiriyamax/scoop1.jpg
Fair enough. 70.58.211.220
Film's out, Harry's dead, get over it.
Anyways, now that we've established that conflict, let's get back to the analysis. Yes, by reading past Spider-Man comics, it is evident Norman Osborn was at times very emotionally unstable and manipulative, and very often put off his own son when in distress. But he has a human side. Norman, like Jonah Jameson, admires Spider-Man for the hero that he is, and his unbreakable spirit and love for life. But the fact is, both men can never truly measure up to his worth, so they try to bring him down, because, "Heaven help me, I'm jealous of him!" -From Amazing Spider-man #10. By the way, next time, when I find big news, I'll give citations along with it. Happy editing! 70.58.211.220
I have. And I am shocked. I never considered that Osborn's built-up cruelty from blasted Amberson's torturing would result in him turning out that bad. And apparently, he's gotten worse, especially with his son gone from his life. What really torks me about that is that Norman considers Harry at times to be a spineless weakling; however, that is probably what turned his attention to Peter. I wonder how he'll manage things as leader of the Thunderbolts these days. Here's to hoping Moonstone's plan is uncovered so she doesn't make a canyon out of the small hill she's made. Happy editing! 65.103.61.154 20:17, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
In my opinion he's a good guy. He hunts down criminal offenders!Doeswhateveraspidercan666 (talk) 08:16, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Well, good and evil is complicated. Before a good character is seduced to evil, he is sometimes a little strange and mean. Norman was not innocent, but in comparison to Greeny already. Think of similar character like Anakin Skywalker / Darth Vader or Smeagol / Gollum. Supervillains can turn a unhappy character to a hero or poor victims. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.164.109.47 (talk) 15:43, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Goblin Glider was just created. Surely this should be merged into this article. I don't understand why it was necessary to create as a new article instead of a section of the Green Goblin article. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 19:41, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
It's a bad impression of the Green Goblin, he looks like a 6 year old kid. And it's a really old image. DCincarnate
What about this? [4] DCincarnate
When they release the Thunderbolts variant cover with Green Goblin on it (so far, they've done Venom, Bullseye, and Penance), I think it should be changed to that. --DrBat 19:09, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
but i think that:
Alter ego is Norman Osborn and Harry Osborn
Hey. I've noticed that this page is kinda treated like the place to put most/all data on comic book Goblins, but I was thinking we could do something better. I propose splitting content like "Fury the Goblin Queen" into a Goblin (comics) page. In it, we could also include data on the Hobgob and his variants. (Demogoblin, anyone?)
As is, what should be primarily Norman's page—unless he's split off, instead, ala Eddie Brock and the Venom symbiote.—is overrun with data of varying relavence. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 04:24, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Good idea....especially with the upcoming Solicts for LONERS #3 focusing on Phil's story {within the Loners' current situation}PaxHouse 17:30, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
It should be added that the Death of the Goblin (tentative title) starts with issue #112, starring Norman Osborn.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.134.101.212 (talk • contribs)
I changed all the past tenses to present tense. However, the article still suffers from multiple compound sentences. This not only makes for difficult reading but sometimes thoroughly muddles references. I would very much welcome someone more knowledgable than me giving the text an additional revision 217.231.18.29 00:58, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
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Sorry if I'm posting this wrong. But what about toys, statues, etc.? Seeing video game references is cool but as a toy collector I'd love to seem them included. Especially since there are so many cool Green Goblin toys! Bart chambers (talk) 19:38, 11 March 2008 (UTC)bart_chambers
Do we really need all these comic covers? Doesn't that run contrary to [5] Bobisbob (talk) 14:25, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
If the current infobox picture has to go for not being sourced then so does a lot of other character's infobox pics including [6] and [7].
The Amazingspiderman39.jpg pic won't be good for the infobox since the character is barely in the center. If we need to use comic covers for characters infobox, they should be like [8],[9] and [10].
The Tbolts121 cov.jpg image is hardly a revamp, he had that costme design for a while. If we can have that why not the image of Scorpion with a different costume on the Mac Gargan page. Or the Scorpy-Venom image posted on the "powers" section, but that a different dispute. Bobisbob (talk) 15:48, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Well then, I'm going ahead and removing some of the images. Bobisbob (talk) 18:20, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Another Goblin Glider article was created, this time as Goblin glider. If you still want to merge it back to this article (as was decided back in 2006), feel free. :-) --GentlemanGhost (talk) 19:45, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
There should be a article on Oscorp put in the fictional companies or organizations in marvel. Articles on stark inc, roxxon, etc exist why not Oscorp. Also with the events of Secret Invasion and focus on Osborn, mention of his company would be nice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Magnum17x (talk • contribs) 10:58, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Should this page be renamed Norman Osborn, as that seems to be the predominant side to him in the comics at the moment? Sure, he's evil, but rarely does he wear the goblin suit or be called the Green Goblin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.175.169.47 (talk) 05:35, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
I think the primary name should be Norman Osborn. Green Goblin can be redirected to Norman Osborn, or to a list. The character goes by Iron Patriot and Norman Osborn. Green Goblin is one of many previous identities. But regardless of other character names, the character has always also been Norman Osborn. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.114.64.28 (talk) 17:36, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
I've expanded the PH section to introduce more out-of-universe material to the article following WP:WAF. I'd suggest adding a couple more sections and expand on the character development and other background. Also it looks like the other media section should be split off to a new article.
I also turned up more material when looking for sources:
This might come in handy [11]
Feel free to use anything useful and I'll see what else I can turn up. (Emperor (talk) 22:23, 24 January 2009 (UTC))
He is a secret character she has the scarecow`s hat a lightpunkin she has black pants and a purple bouce hunter she is a secret character on xbox and she is a character on D.S.
X. THROW PUNKINS B. fREEZE GUN (Double jump to fly)
A. to TO JUMP —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.175.237 (talk) 12:28, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
The last ten years or so has displayed that as one of his powers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.217.101.221 (talk) 18:55, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
This article should be split into Norman Osborn and Green Goblin.
The importance took by Norman Osborn as Norman Obsorn itself in the Secret Invasion and Dark Reign stories argues for a split. talking Cherry 23:04, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Either that or the article should be called Green Goblin (Norman Osborn) like the way Marvel.com does it. But the article is getting too large (mostly it's the fictional character's biography) so it might need an split of some kind. Jhenderson777 (talk) 20:18, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
See discussion above, I think possibly the best solution is moving this to Norman Osborn (fix the incoming links, naturally) and move Green Goblin (set index) here, then make sure Green Goblin (Norman Osborn) and Iron Patriot and other links point to the Osborn article. Its still a tricky call but the last few years have made it increasingly obvious that this needs to be refocused on Osborn. (Emperor (talk) 16:19, 23 February 2010 (UTC))
The fictional character biography has now been split into Fictional history of Green Goblin. Both the article and the biography is larger than even Spider-Man's. If you have an problem with it feel free to discuss it here. Jhenderson777 (talk) 01:40, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
The article says that the Green Goblin has a cloak as part of his costume. None of the illustrations I have of Gobby show him wearing a cloak. Whoever put that in must have confused Osborn with the Hobgoblin, who does wear a cloak. I will correct this. 75.157.115.154 (talk) 19:56, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
I am requesting that Green Goblin in other media be merged in this article, Green Goblin in the In other media section. Much like what I did in the Doctor Doom article. When the fictional history section was moved from this article, I believe this article has had some room to expand information. Jhenderson777 (talk) 17:10, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
I don't understand why this rumor refuses to die. I took this from the Steve Ditko wiki site:
Ditko...disputed the long-held belief[28] the disagreement was over the true identity of the Green Goblin: "Stan never knew what he was getting in my Spider-Man stories and covers until after [production manager] Sol Brodsky took the material from me ... so there couldn't have been any disagreement or agreement, no exchanges ... no problems between us concerning the Green Goblin or anything else from before issue #25 to my final issues".
This was taken from an article about Ditko that appeared in WIZARD magazine around the time of the release of the first SPIDER-MAN movie. As Steve intimates in this Wiki Goblin article, he did indeed "plant" Osborn in the series as a minor character at a businessman's club J. Jonah Jameson was known to frequent. He is often seen standing in the background only to gain in prominence as the series went along. Around issue #24 he is at the Daily Bugle and JJJ says he will see him at that club later in the evening. In Spider-Man 26 he is seen holding a rival newspaper and commenting on the photographer who got the shots of a battle between Spidey and the Goblin. Finally, in Ditko's next to final issue AMAZING... 37, Norman is clearly up to no good and comments on how Spider-Man had finally become a problem that must be dealt with. John Romita is just flat out wrong. Steve knows better than anyone and he pretty much told us.MARK VENTURE (talk) 19:33, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Um I'm new here but i suggest we merge all the articles on the green goblin together into one article so people don't have visit 3 to 4 articles to learn about one villian.-Redyugioh [4:48pm] [6/28/10] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redyugioh (talk • contribs) 20:47, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Maybe his history could be simplified and fit in this article. We don't even have a history article for Doctor Doom. 24.180.173.157 (talk) 20:50, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
In response to the bold "splitting" of the article and looking at the previous 2 discussions from 2007 and Feb 2010:
Frankly, moving the article makes little sense.
- J Greb (talk) 18:12, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Hey I am not an administrator, I didn't know I could move stuff that are already redirections besides cut and paste. And me and User:Tenebrae are supposed to be working to unsplit and fix the fictional history article. − Jhenderson 777 18:42, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
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I think the cameo appearance by Green Goblin in the movie Maximum Overdrive should be added. It hard to miss, since his head is on the front of the "Happy Toys" truck that is the main villain of the movie.
I agree, it should be mentioned, though where on the page I don't know. -- Lord Crayak
I am writing it in now. It definitely should be in there. Cant believe the nerds forgot it lol. If any one disagrees with this, you can rent the movie and view the credits, at the very end of the credits, they give acknowledgement to marvel comics for the allowed use of this character in the movie. Rippey574 (talk) 04:11, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
I propose we merge this article with the one on the Goblin's fictional history and have the history be simplified. We really don't need an overly detailed article on the Goblin's history especially since there are none for villains with a wider history like Doom, Magento, Joker ect. 24.180.173.157 (talk) 03:58, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Geez, the FCB really ballooned out of control in a hurry - probably back to as big as it was previously. 108.69.80.49 (talk) 14:18, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
I think trimming is needed for the FCBs of some of Spidey's other villains too. 24.180.173.157 (talk) 23:28, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
The following background for the Osborn miniseries seems useful, but as it stands, it's unclear, and I've commented it out for the moment in the article:
While stemming from an offhand comment linking Osborn with Oz, DeConnick is also drawing on other prison-based inspiration, including Female Prisoner #701: Scorpion
Who made the comment? An editor? DeConnick? What specifically is the inspiration from Scorpion? Just saying the name of the movie isn't helpful. Please clarify or delete. --Tenebrae (talk) 15:38, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
Does it matter what toy they used to abuse people? If they had a pair of Spider-Man underwear on at the time or wore a Superman Cape would it matter? This doesn't belong in the article about the character. Dream Focus 19:20, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Why is it whenever I put the Green Goblin under Fictional people with bipolar disorder, it gets removed? It explicitly says that he's bipolar on the page! Smijes08 (talk) 13:37, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
In the original comics, the Green Goblin rode a flying mechanical "broomstick" instead of his glider; he didn't use the glider until his first "return". I think this is worth at least mentioning, is it not? Skinr (talk) 03:11, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
I propose that this article be split. Norman Osborn has distanced himself from the Goblin persona to the point that it is an important part of his history, but not the main identity he is known by. Spider-Man's greatest enemy is not the Green Goblin, but Norman Osborn. Norman, therefore, should have his own article by that title, with the Green Goblin being a seperate article detailing the various people to where the costume, their various deeds/misdeeds, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lancelot551 (talk • contribs) 01:12, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
I agree. As you said, despite that persona being a major part of history, Osborn in himself has transcended just being the Green Goblin. Norman himself is Spider-Man's greatest foe, not just the Goblin persona that has now been donned by many. DarthKurgan (talk) 01:06, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
I too completely agree. There isn't much more to say, actually. 67.242.219.182 (talk) 23:25, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
This whole Norman Osborn is in the end credits is original research. See here. Jhenderson 777 23:56, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: move both. -- tariqabjotu 13:35, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
– Norman Osborn has been the Green Goblin AND the Iron Patriot, so it isn't appropriate for his article to be titled only Green Goblin. He is primarily identified as the Green Goblin, but that is not his only alter-ego. (Eddie Brock, Mac Gargan, and Anya Corazon are similar examples.) There have been multiple characters to have the alter-ego of Green Goblin, so that article should be for all of the characters not just one. Furthermore, no one is going to look for "set index" when trying to find more Green Goblins. Spidey104 14:20, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
We're almost there.
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We just have to finish filling in all those pesky citations, so if you remember the reference for a plot-point that's missing a citation, please fill it in. Also, let's keep to a minimum tagging superfluous citation requests to plot descriptions that already have their reference listed a sentence or two later, because then we're just repeating the same citation.
Keep up the good work, everyone. Norman deserves the best. --Downthewikiwormhole (talk) 17:16, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Hiya. I'll be working on improving the written form of the article, and will assist with citations if I can as well. Let me know if there's anything specific you want me to address, or if you have any notes or questions. NinjaDuckie (talk) 15:12, 5 July 2017 (UTC)