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Can someone provide a citation for the claim that Mehmet Fatih was crowned Roman Emperor by the Orthodox Patriarch? If he was in fact crowned, did successive Ottoman sultans also officially take the title of Roman Emperor (cite)? Dec. 15 '05 20:36 EST 129.22.46.197
Fatih Sultan Mehmet became the Roman Ceasar but not officially. He invaded the last lands of Roman Dynasty and as we know, till the rise of the Holy Roman Empire, Ottoman Sultans didn't even have a rival in this position. Finally, we can consider that Mehmet II had all the power of a Ceasar but not officially became a Ceasar. (This answer is from Dusrun Onur Ilhan, from Turkey/Istanbul)
Which one was the first one to be a Caliph?--iFaqeer 08:04, Sep 25, 2004 (UTC)
Selim I (Yavuz Sultan Selim) was the first Caliph. He gained the title after the conquest of Egypt where the Holy Treasures (Kutsal Hazineler) were kept. 212.98.201.1 09:01, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
This is disputed: see http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/sangat/khilafat.htm
How Come Djem was taken out as a Sultan for a brief period?? User:Tancarville
I know of another meaning of Osmanli: Ottoman language. I think there also is a people of the name Osmanli. Sarcelles 19:07, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Still no comments... Anyway, I propose moving the page to Ottoman dynasty. Please comment now. Ben T/C 15:12, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
The new section "Osmanli Culture" should probably be moved to Culture of the Ottoman Empire. /The Phoenix 18:19, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
Most monarchs on wikipedia follow the naming conventions for titles, but none of the Ottoman sultans do. I propose that the titles be changed to add "... of Turkey" or "..., Ottoman Sultan" or "..., Ottoman Emperor". Many of them need disambiguation and this is the format that the European monarchs follow. Any comments? Cuñado - Talk 05:55, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
the ottoman empire's main article says it was founded/begun in 1299. that's the date given in the article that osman declared the kayi's independence from the seljuks. but the ottoman dynasty's article says it ruled the empire started in 1281. how is that possible? are both dates correct? and does the answer lie in the dynasty's article that mention's osman's father isnt included in the dysnasty timeline? 4.230.174.139 00:06, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
You are right. 1299 is the correct date. I have changed the dates in the article accordingly. Yucina (talk) 17:29, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
The beginning of the Ottomans' sovereign state is in dispute. It is definitely around 1299; however it is not certain. Most probably this day was accepted by the Ottomans -and many historians- later since it is -almost- the beginning of a new century -both in Hijret(Muslim) and Gregorian calendars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.149.185.13 (talk) 22:15, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
I have removed the paragraph relating to the Armenian rebellion/massacre (Headed "Just for clarification") from this article as it quite simply does not belong here. This article is about the House of Osman, not the alleged policies of the Ottoman government almost a century ago. The paragraph did not clarify anything already contained within the remainder of the article. Pavlvs-rex
Which mid-17th century Sultan was referred to as Mahomet Han? Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 01:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
The interlanguage links were quite messy. Currently, three Wikipedias have separate articles for the Ottoman Dynasty and the List of Sultans of the Ottoman Empire: the Chinese, English and Turkish Wikipedias. These are two different topics, and I have thus organized the links as follows:
I have also removed the link to the Polish Wikipedia (pl:Władcy Turcji) since it has a much broader scope than the articles in other projects: it covers all Turkish monarchs, not just the Ottomans. --BomBom (talk) 23:16, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
In the infobox the ethnicity of the dynasty is given as "Turkish". However, Valide Sultans (see the article "List of Valide Sultans") were always non-Turkish so the later Sultans would have hardly any trace of Turkish ancestry. Is there a way of clarifying or qualiflying this in the article?
"Thus they still formally acknowledged the sovereignty of the contemporary Seljuk Sultanate of Rûm and its successor, the Ilkhanate."
This statement makes no sense. In what way is the "Ilkhanate" a successor to the Konya Rum Sultanate ?Eregli bob (talk) 15:03, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
I propose that the page Osmanoğlu family be merged into this page, Ottoman dynasty. The two pages refer to the same thing, although this Ottoman dynasty page focuses on the family during its reign as the rulers of the Ottoman Empire. On the other hand, the other page (Osmanoğlu family) contains much more information, especially about the family today, and seems to be more complete. However, the issue remains. I think the ideal result would be a comprehensive, merged article that contains historical information about the family during its rule, as well as modern and relevant information about it as it exists in the modern day.
I do not know what the final title of the merged article should be (as the word "Ottoman" is a centuries-old Anglicization of the name "Osman", which still exists in the de facto name of the family, as "Osmanoğlu" means "son of Osman"). "Dynasty" is perhaps not a good word to include in the title, as it implies that it is still ruling, or that it only refers to the family when it was a dynasty. However, the word "Osmanoğlu" would be a rather arbitrary and exotic name, at least for the English Wikipedia.
A good title, I believe, would follow the example of the House of Habsburg and would be something like "House of Osman" or even "House of Ottoman", preferably the former.
If this seems sensible to you, please vote to support it below, and if it doesn't, discuss below as well. However, the two articles can't be allowed to remain this way (especially the other "Osmanoğlu family" one, as it is almost completely orphaned from the rest of the Ottoman family-related articles).
Ithinkicahn (talk) 01:32, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
The user in question changed the link for "tamam Azerbaijan" from the translation of this mid-16th century text to Whole Azerbaijan, a 20th century irridentist nationalistic concept. This, of course, without providing any sources which legitimize this. How on earth does "tamam Azerbaijan" include this 20th century concept, when the Republic of Azerbaijan, or in fact even the usage of the name "Azerbaijan" for the territory to the north of the Aras River didn't even remotely exist, and came only to be established and used some... 350 years later?
On the adoptation of the already in-use name of Azerbaijan by the Mussavatists numerous people commented throughout history;
"Until 1918, when the Musavat regime decided to name the newly independant state Azerbaijan, this designation had been used exclusively to identify the Iranian province of Azerbaijan."
"The region to the north of the river Araxes was not called Azerbaijan prior to 1918, unlike the region in northwestern Iran that has been called since so long ago."
"(...) whenever it is necessary to choose a name that will encompass all regions of the republic of Azerbaijan, name Arran can be chosen. But the term Azerbaijan was chosen because when the Azerbaijan republic was created, it was assumed that this and the Persian Azerbaijan will be one entity, because the population of both has a big similarity. On this basis, the word Azerbaijan was chosen. Of course right now when the word Azerbaijan is used, it has two meanings as Persian Azerbaijan and as a republic, its confusing and a question rises as to which Azerbaijan is talked about."
"In the post Islamic sense, Arran and Shirvan are often distinguished, while in the pre-Islamic era, Arran or the western Caucasian Albania roughly corresponds to the modern territory of the republic of Azerbaijan. In the Soviet era, in a breathtaking manipulation, historical Azerbaijan (northwestern Iran) was reinterpreted as "South Azerbaijan" in order for the Soviets to lay territorial claim on historical Azerbaijan proper which is located in modern-day northwestern Iran."
"On May 27, the Democratic Republic of Azerbaijan (DRA) was declared with Ottoman military support. The rulers of the DRA refused to identify themselves as [Transcaucasian] Tatar, which they rightfully considered to be a Russian colonial definition. (...) Neighboring Iran did not welcome did not welcome the DRA's adoptation of the name of "Azerbaijan" for the country because it could also refer to Iranian Azerbaijan and implied a territorial claim."
Basically with all this; its completely incorrect to redirect the name of "Azerbaijan" as used in this context, to the Republic of Azerbaijan as well, as its during an era when a) the region in question (to the north of the Aras) wasn't even known as "Azerbaijan" b) the concept of Whole Azerbaijan (which you redirected it to) didn't even remotely exist. "Tamam Azerbaijan" in this context simply means "all of Azarbaijan, aka present-day Iranian Azerbaijan". Leaving this here for the record. - LouisAragon (talk) 20:30, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
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The Ottomans' claim to Kayı origins has been called into question by several reputable historians, and should not be presented as clear and undisputed fact.
"That they hailed from the Kayı branch of the Oğuz confederacy seems to be a creative "rediscovery" in the genealogical concoction of the fifteenth century. It is missing not only in Ahmedi but also, and more importantly, in the Yahşi Fakih-Aşıkpaşazade narrative, which gives its own version of an elaborate genealogical family tree going back to Noah. If there was a particularly significant claim to Kayı lineage, it is hard to imagine that Yahşi Fakih would not have heard of it."
Kafadar, Cemal (1995). Between Two Worlds: The Construction of the Ottoman State. p. 122.
"Let us recall here that behind the translation of this work [Tevarih-i Al-i Selçuk] was the Ottoman administration’s establishment of a political construct as proof that they came from the Kayı branch of the Oğuz in order to oppose the challenge of the Karakoyunlu."
Ahmet Yaşar Ocak, "Social, Cultural, and Intellectual Life," in The Cambridge History of Turkey, Volume 1. (Cambridge University Press, 2009) p. 410.
Chamboz (talk) 21:51, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
User:Gündoğdu has placed more than a dozen citations under the claim that the Ottomans were Oğuz. Spamming unverifiable citations (many of which lack even page numbers) in order to make a point is not how one should edit on Wikipedia. Pick only the best and most reliable sources, and provide quotes from them to support your position. Having a large number of unverifiable citations is not good editing, and it actually makes your position look weaker, since it appears as though you're searching for sources solely to prove a point and grabbing any and everything you can find, no matter the verifiability. Chamboz (talk) 16:00, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
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The numbering for the line of succession doesn't make sense. Any ideas, as in am I right to say it's a mistake? Cltjames (talk) 17:10, 12 January 2024 (UTC)