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 | On 5 September 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Princess Nobuko of Mikasa. The result of the discussion was not moved. |
Nobuko, Princess Tomohito of Mikasa
[edit]Her own name is Nobuko. Why on the earth has someone invented the article name that says nothing of her as person, only her husband's official title in feminine form. This begins to be distant from encyclopedic purposes and close to jargon of some archchamberlain etiquettemaster. 217.140.193.123 29 June 2005 16:03 (UTC)
- oppose. official protocol, which applies internationally, has her "listed" as such. this has nothing to do with her being surpressed as woman or anything... Antares911 4 July 2005 09:19 (UTC)
Hmm. the reason presented by the originator is "official protocol". This really seems to be close to jargon of some archchamberlain etiquettemaster, and is distant from any encyclopedic purpose. 217.140.193.123 6 July 2005 07:35 (UTC)
- for encyclopedic purpose, look up Princess Michael of Kent, who is also not named Marie-Christine, Princess Michael of Kent ;-) Antares911 7 July 2005 14:49 (UTC)
We actually do not have a clear policy on those Europeans, although in my opinion guidelines point to mention the person's own first name in the heading. Princess Michael of Kent can be seen not acceptable, and it needs some further thought and improvement. However, orientals are not under that policy. Thus Nobuko could be given a more practical heading.
She under Princess Tomohito of Mikasa is basically equivalent to Camilla being under just Duchess of Cornwall.217.140.193.123 7 July 2005 22:20 (UTC)
- oh my lord, i can´t believe you just wrote "orientals" are you even remotely aware how offensive that is????? Antares911 8 July 2005 00:06 (UTC)
And what's so wrong in saying such in talk page? Do I remember correctly that you do similar things in talk pages? (Your comment is actually quite funny. I think I will further refer ""OhmylordIcan'tbelieve" to you:) 217.140.193.123 8 July 2005 05:48 (UTC)
Requested move 5 September 2023
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 22:32, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
Princess Tomohito of Mikasa → Princess Nobuko of Mikasa – Or alternatively Princess Nobuko. Either way, I see it as the common name and that's the basis for the proposal. While it's true that Princess Tomohito of Mikasa is the more formal, courtly protocol name most comparable to Princess Michael of Kent or many other European princesses who married junior princes of various dynasties, it's also true that she's commonly referred to as Princess Nobuko or even Princess Nobuko of Mikasa in the media, including Japanese media. The section for sources on this page refers to her as Princess Nobuko half a dozen times and so do most recent stories in the media like in Yomiuri Shimbun, The Japan Times and Kyodo News. Alternatively, if there's no move I would at least urge people to make note of this in the article's text. Killuminator (talk) 22:20, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Weak oppose - As the nominator mentioned, Princess Michael of Kent exists similarly. But, I think a more applicable comparison is Diana, Princess of Wales, as she also was (and is) popularly known as Princess Diana, a title she never held. Similarly, Nobuko isn't "Princess Nobuko", but "Princess Tomohito (of Mikasa)".
- I personally think it's best to keep the consistency on using the titles they actually held, rather than made-up ones, no matter how common. While I oppose any move, if consensus turns out that this should be moved I prefer "Princess Nobuko", as "Princess Nobuko of Mikasa" seems too much like it could be her official name, while simply "Princess Nobuko" could just be a popular moniker {much like Princess Diana). estar8806 (talk) ★ 00:36, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose We should not really be encouraging the use of inaccurate names and terms; this is an encyclopedia not a pop culture website. Ever since she married to the Japanese imperial family she has been referred to as "Princess Tomohito of Mikasa" in English. A simple search on Google also shows that the name is pretty common. She's essentially on the same boat as Princess Michael of Kent, who uses the feminine form of her husband's name and title and is not called "Princess Marie-Christine". For royals, we tend to stick to the name that is both common and accurate which also helps with preserving consistency in terms of format across all pages. Keivan.fTalk 13:47, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose The proposed title implies that she is the daughter or male-line granddaughter of a Prince Mikasa, which she is not.2601:249:9301:D570:74C4:2709:2D7F:D7E3 (talk) 04:39, 7 September 2023 (UTC)