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I have not seen one source stating that Professional Wrestling is a performing or performance art. All I have seen is a bunch of original research with no sources reliable or otherwise. If one does not find sources the material should be removed. Please see Wikipedia:No original research -Rainbowofpeace (talk) 13:01, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
writers work on plots and storylines well in advance, and every match is another chapter in the story. Who wins and who loses is all in the script.It also says
It's true that the plots are predetermined and the moves are choreographed.Its a script and its choreographed. Just because it doesnt use the term "performing arts" it doesn't mean that using that source is WP:SYNTH.
the illusion that the characters and storylines are real. Is this any different than the way you would descripe a play? - GalatzTalk 14:13, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
Per our own article on Performance art. "The meaning of the term in the narrower sense is related to postmodernist traditions in Western culture. From about the mid-1960s into the 1970s, often derived from concepts of visual art, with respect to Antonin Artaud, Dada, the Situationists, Fluxus, installation art and conceptual art, performance art tended to be defined as an antithesis to theatre,... Performance art is a term usually reserved to refer to a conceptual art which conveys a content-based meaning in a more drama-related sense, rather than being simple performance for its own sake for entertainment purposes...." bold mine.(Littleolive oil (talk) 14:36, 8 May 2018 (UTC))
The "originating culture" list is getting way too big in my opinion. Pro-wrestling originates from Europe (Western Europe specifically) according to the article. I think it's origin should be listed simply as "Europe" or France to be literal. Thoughts? Bbx118 (talk) 20:49, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
@HHH Pedrigree: Although I'm not a fan of pro wrestling, I don't hate it either. I was trying to be fair. "Mock" in this context does not mean "mockery", it means "simulated". When I was in school, we did "mock exams" to prepare us for the real thing. I also think that the characters in pro wrestling parody the antics of real prizefighters. And they're often deliberately comedic. How is that untrue and unfair? Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson were pretty wild, and the pro wrestlers take that pattern to ridiculous degrees. Fans love it. Kurzon (talk) 17:19, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi. I have seen your recents edition in the article. First, I think the terms aren't correct. As other user told you, the factual term is staged or scripted. Mock combater, parody... aren't neutral, looks like a anti-pro wrestling article.
Also, sources. The first section is sourced. Not described as mock combat, but performance art instead. I know, pro wrestling it's several things: its a theatre, it's a scripted fight, a choreogaphy. But your editions hasn't sources to support your claims. I included the sources and some parts of your editions, I think the current is a good approach. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:09, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
@HHH Pedrigree: And how is "parody" offensive? This is all theater, and not meant to be taken seriously. Kurzon (talk) 06:02, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
@HHH Pedrigree: OK, have it your way. "Stage" combat it is. Stage combat is a specific type of mock combat, and thus it is a more precise term. And perhaps "parody" is the wrong word after all, as pro wrestling isn't really meant to make fun of real combat sports, it's just theater that never took itself seriously. I'm keeping the word "theater" in because theater is a specific type of performance art, one that include drama (as opposed to, say, stage magic and animal acts).
A little note about references: a paragraph isn't necessarily better because it has lots of references. References merely validate facts, they don't make them relevant. You write good paragraph first, and get references later. This is a mistake too many editors make. A rubbish paragraphs is rubbish no matter how many references you jam in. Kurzon (talk) 08:02, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
@HHH Pedrigree: A book I just found (Chow et al. 2017) describes pro wrestling as both performance art and theater because their physical feats are real and often painful, whereas stage combat in plays usually involve no injury at all. It's a little weird to me but it seems lots of people don't think performance art and theater are the same thing so I will just roll with it. Kurzon (talk) 08:28, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Template:WWE Match Types. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 June 3#Template:WWE Match Types until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Hog Farm Talk 03:35, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Ain't no footnotes in cite like the ref got straight kicked out the ring.
I know this is an article about stage-fighting, in some ways the real-world equivalent of arguing on the Internet, but could someone with a depth of knowledge please spend a couple minutes productively instead by adding reliable external links to tackle some of the long-overdue "citation needed" markers? This is too prominent a topic for how stale some of those have gotten, but it really needs a true fan who is already familiar with other sources on the subject and who can immediately bring to mind the right ones rather than a conventional Wikinerd with no specific attachment to this topic who will just start Bing'ing hopelessly off into the wilderness. Thanks in advance :D
Kurzon (talk) 15:09, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
@Acekard: Care to make a few comments? Kurzon (talk) 17:21, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
m. "Professional wrestling" means an activity in which participants struggle hand-in-hand primarily for the purpose of providing entertainment to spectators rather than conducting a bona fide athletic contest. n. "Wrestling" means a bona fide athletic contest in which participants struggle hand-in-hand with the object of winning by throwing an opponent or scoring points and in which any purpose of providing entertainment is secondary.
I don't think pro wrestling counts as performance art because the wrestling is not meant to be artistic. I've read the article on performance art and I don't see pro wrestling in there. Pro wrestling is definitely a performing art, which is a different thing.
Please stop edit warring to keep low quality home movies in the article. Thanks. MrOllie (talk) 15:45, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Seen the video, it's described as learning how to run and bounce against the ropes but it's just a lad climbing a turnbuckle and then rolling off. Walloper1980 (talk) 16:15, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
@Sloppert.J.Globbert: Good to have a pro wrestler giving some input. So you don't like the term "choreographed moves". What are better terms? I want something along the line of "pulled punches". I want to say something like "the wrestlers used pulled punches to minimize injury". But obviously you don't just use punches in the ring, so we need a more general term for attacks that are meant to look serious but are actually safe. I don't like "practiced movements" because boxers and MMA fighters also "practice" their movements. Kurzon (talk) 18:22, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
I understand. "Choreography" implies a planned sequence of moves, whereas pro wrestling is largely improvised. Kurzon (talk) 06:44, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
I have settled on "simulated attacks" until I think of something better. Kurzon (talk) 14:55, 11 August 2022 (UTC)