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The STS-51-D article lists Dr Seddon as Payload Commander. The STS-58 article lists her as Mission Specialist 1. These article are in conflict with the opening paragraph of this article. Which is right? Trappist the monk (talk) 14:40, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 14:31, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
Margaret Rhea Seddon → Rhea Seddon – Seddon went by her middle name and most sources refer to her as "Rhea Seddon". The article should be moved per WP:COMMONNAME. Nosferattus (talk) 05:24, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Reviewer: GhostRiver (talk · contribs) 17:51, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
Hello! I'll be reviewing this article to help reduce the good article nomination backlog and to gain points in the WP:WIKICUP. Although quid pro quo is not required, if you fancy returning the favor, I have a list of articles in need of review here. — GhostRiver 17:51, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
the he first?
(Gibson already had one child, a daughter called Julie, from his first marriage.)Trivia
for treatment. He soon responded to treatmentRepetitive phrasing
the crew were kept together
to operate a bone saw to helpfix repetitive preposition
the family was represented by Gibsonfeels very patriarchal.
It was regarded as a plum job, and a good way to see how the directorate was managed.MOS:WEASEL
All points addressed. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:16, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
@GhostRiver: Any progress on this? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:38, 1 April 2022 (UTC) @GhostRiver: Can we close this now? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:10, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Figureskatingfan (talk · contribs) 04:40, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I'm reviewing this abandoned article for the June backlog drive. Sorry that you've had to resubmit it; it's obvious that you've worked hard on this article, especially during its first GAC. Kuddos for doing your part to close part of the gender gap with such an important individual. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 04:40, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Nice job with this bio about an important individual.
Things to do before promotion to GA:
As I state above, I think that you include information in this article that doesn't belong in an encyclopedic article. For example, while Seddon's marriage is important and should be mentioned (including that they were the first astronaut couple), the venues of her wedding and reception aren't important. Plus, that gets into "If we were talking about a man's marriage, would we mention his venues?" This is something I'm a little sensitive about; I think that every time we write bios about women, we need to consider gender gap issues.
I also have problems with the next paragraph in this section. I think you should mention the years that her children were born and her first son's medical emergency, but not their names, as per WP:BLPPRIVACY and WP:BLPNAME.
Prose: I think that your paragraphs are a bit long; I think you should break them up some. I could make some suggestions, and I can if you want me to, but I leave how to do that up to you.
Suggestions that have no bearing on this GAN:
Refs: Two things about your refs. 30 out 55 of your refs, or over 1/2, are Seddon's memoir. That could be a problem, as per WP:SPS, which I've always interpreted as advising against using memoirs/autobiographies as sources. I understand that's debateable, and according to the policy, you can use sources written by experts and the writer of a memoir is the ultimate expert about their life. I also think that you're probably going to have to defend using it so much; I suggest that you argue that without it, the bio wouldn't be as comprehensive as it is. I've used memoirs and autobiograhies before, but I try to support the information taken from them with other sources, which you may not be able to do. If you take this bio further, you'd have to defend your choice of using Seddon's memoir.
I think that the prose reads unencyclopedic in places. I think it's fine for a GA, but if you move forward with this bio, you should get a couple of editors to copyedit it. For now, I'll give you one example: the end of the third paragraph of the "Space flights" section; I'd remove the sentence She also fell pregnant again and state that in March 1989, her second child was born without stating his name, although I think it's okay if you state that he was named after his father. I agree with the previous GA reviewer about that, and I appreciate that you changed the first instance of it even though you weren't given an explanation about why, so I'll explain my reasoning: the offending phrase is a British colloquialism and not something American English speakers use. Since this is a bio about an American, I think you should avoid the British colloquialism, even though it's technically grammatically correct. I'm sure there are other instances of this, which is why you should ask for other eyes to take a look at it.
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Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:23, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi Hawk, and thanks for the welcome. I was kind of on a Wikibreak, but it's summer and I finished grad school, so I'm making up for lost time. My final project in grad school was my thesis about Wikipedia, which I'm trying to make it more accessible to folks.
I'm good with your explanations; I think that much of my feedback was personal editoral choices and preferences, as well as differences in how we interpret policy. I still would like you to remove the info about Seddon's wedding and reception, but I won't make it a stipulation to pass this to GA. (There are other things I'd remove, but that's just me.) I think it's wonderful that you've been working on bios about female astronauts; keep up that good work! The garbage Seddon had to put up with, but her attitude was, "My astronaut job only takes 40-50 hours per week, so I have time to practice medicine and start a family." When did she sleep? So admirable.
I've gone through the article for your Britishism, and get ahead and changed them myself because it saves time rather than list out all the instances and expect you to do the busywork of changing them.
A couple picky questions:
In the "Training" section, who's Diana Fire? There's no wikilink or description of who she is.
In the first sentence of fifth paragraph in "Space flights", what's a secondment?
Anyway, that's it; I will promote to GA. Good luck and best regards, Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 03:21, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
@Hawkeye7: Sorry for the ping but I saw you mention that her first name is pronounced "Ray" in the FAC review. This would be useful for readers if it was included in the article. I feel like you should also add the 1992 date for the infobox photo. — VORTEX3427 (Talk!) 09:18, 15 November 2022 (UTC)