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The infobox seems to be a target of a new edit war. I have protected it for a week so to reach some consensus. Alex Bakharev (talk) 05:29, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
The infobox have a number of conflicting purposes:
Thus, the people in the infobox should be:
Any other considerations? Alex Bakharev (talk) 05:29, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
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No principal objections but:
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I am strongly against inclusion of Vladimir Putin as he is a very controversial modern politician who a significant part of our readers consider a criminal. Also is Boris Chertok a household name in the west? According to his Russian wikipage Chertok was born in a Jewish family, is it disqualifies him from the box on an ethnic Russian article?
3 women among 25 people do not look right IMHO. The occupation mix is better IMHO but we have gone from 16 people to 25 is it excessive? Alex Bakharev (talk) 05:35, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
My suggestion for 16 people: Nevsky, Peter the Great, Lomonosov, Suvorov, Mendeleev, Tchaikovsky, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Tsvetaeva, Korolyov, Pavlov, Kandinsky, Pavlova, Sikorsky, Gagarin, Netrebko — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.222.229.1 (talk • contribs)
Strongly Oppose - For said reasons below.
Khazar (talk) 06:00, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
So what about my suggestion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.222.217.126 (talk) 17:04, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
@Iryna Harpy Just a question: Do you like the current version more than mine? I mean, Losev, Prokhorov.... but no Tchaikovsky or Dostoevsky? That's mega bullshit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.222.217.126 (talk) 14:22, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
I found this topics extremely controversial, especially when it comes to big nations like Russians, etc. Everyone start to draws water to his own mill "No he's not X, he's Y", "He has 0,00000001% of Nigerian blood". That's pathetic. If we dig deep enough we can question also are these 80% Russians in Russia are actually of Russian ethincity? You know, there is no question about ethnic background in Russian census. They questioned only nationality. I'm of Ukranian ancestry but I call myself Russian. I'm not anthropologically different from some Russian. Am I Russian, or still Ukranian? What we should do, check up haplogroups of all who perceive themselves as "Russian", also dug up all graves and check them? I think that every article on ethnicity should be rewrited as article on nation and create much smaller separate articles on ethnicity without all these great figures, farts and whistles.109.195.3.97 (talk) 09:20, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
@Al Khazar: What exactly is "unconstructive" about the infobox? You are aware that nearly all ethnic group articles have one, right? I fixed the persons depicted in chronological order, removed some that weren't actual Russians, added famous people missing, and it came out really good and should be kept. --Steverci (talk) 02:42, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
I just briefly read the above discussion; can someone kindly explain why it is seemingly redudant to create a gallery of pictures of notable Russians here? Russian is both an ethnicity and a nationality in the strictest senses of the words, but this infobox is obviously ment for the ethnicity Russians,'aka Slavic Russians, aka natively East Slavic Russian speaking Russians.
I think this is all pretty common logic no? So could someone tell why the pictures are removed from the infobox?
Kind regards - LouisAragon (talk) 01:56, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
I'm also curious about that issue. kazekagetr 08:15, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
A move discussion relating to this article is open at Lech, Čech, and Rus' talk page. Khestwol (talk) 11:46, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
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There no source about "ethnic Russians" living in Israel. Where does the numbre 1,240,122 come from? 85.250.220.3 (talk) 12:03, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Dmitri Mendeleev was a famous personality of ethnic Russian descent too.--141.19.228.15 (talk) 13:18, 26 November 2015 (UTC) | image31 = DIMendeleevCab.jpg| caption31 = Mendeleev
I'd like to ask fellow editors how does the gallery from the infobox help the reader. What's it's role? How does this gallery provide encyclopaedic content? Why is it better to include such a gallery in the article? Hahun (talk) 08:18, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
Chickpeaedits, may I ask for a rationale of your revert? Max Semenik (talk) 22:25, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
I invite everybody to post their opinions about the gallery of personalities from the infobox at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ethnic_groups#The_necessity_of_galleries_of_personalities_in_the_infoboxes Hahun (talk) 22:33, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
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For editors interested, there's an RfC currently being held: Should sections on genetics be removed from pages on ethnic groups?. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:16, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Number would be useful. Please remeber the difference between ethic Russians and former Russian Empire citizens of other ethnicities, eg. Georgians.Xx236 (talk) 10:44, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
The number of Russians indicated in the 2010 census is 111 million (81 percent of population that declared their ethnicity) however there were 5.6 million Russian citizens who did not declare their ethnicity. The composition of this group is same as the population that did disclose their ethnicity, according to the Russian government. There is also the issue of the 1.1 million ethnic Russians in the disputed Crimean peninsula, which is de-facto part of the Russian Federation.
81 percent of 5.6 million is 4,559,837, making the ethnic Russian population 115,576,733 . If Crimea is included, the population is 116,765,711.
Is there anyway to include this number in the infobox? Or should the 2002 census be used instead? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Retaurn (talk • contribs) 19:04, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
The article needs to be retitled "Ethnic Russians". I would do so myself, but a page with that title already exists (and is redirected elsewhere). Gringo300 (talk) 20:16, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
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5.102.216.40 (talk) 07:08, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
Why in article included jews ? Article about russian ethnical but NOT about Jew or other immigrant from Russia.
I repeat once again
Russian is a specific ethnos - and not citizenship.
The Jews from the USSR, the Russian Empire and the Russian Federation are obviously NOT Russian.
Where statistics on nationalities are not exactly corrected by a calculation method — for example, in Brazil, from the number of immigrants from the Russian Empire, the USSR and the Russian Federation deleted the number of Ukrainians who are known and used the statistical reference data, although they are old but nothing newer — as there was no migration flow in newer period.
In the US, he removed from among Russians — Jews from the USSR. What do they have to do with Russians?
I removed the item in Germany, since all these millions are the Volga Germans by 95%. Yes, there are Russians in Germany, but not more than 150 thousand, mostly in mixed marriages. And their children do not identify themselves as Russians. They consider themselves Germans from Russia. And therefore do not belong to the Russian ethnic group.
There is still a lot of garbage data type in Canada where both Jews and other nationalities are included in the Russians.
According to the data received, the number of Russians cannot exceed 130 million people.
Making big numbers has propaganda goals. and does not meet the requirements of neutrality.Hatchiko (talk) 15:42, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
I brought the article in authentic form. Where possible, he excluded from the number of Russian Jews, Germans and Ukrainians immigrants from the former Russian Empire and the USSR. All of them are taken into account in their national articles and apparently not Russian, despite the fact that their former citizenship was from this region.
Where it is impossible to remove from the general calculation - the United States and Canada, I left the numbers along with the Jews and the Germans. But this is the only possible assumption.
Do not add to the number of Russian Israeli Jews from the USSR - they are not Russian, they emigrated under the Aliyah program in which there could be no Russians. A small number of monasteries live in Israel, but they are all citizens of either the Russian Federation or France or the United States. They are counted in those countries.
Knowledge of the Russian language does not make Russian. In Bulgaria, this is a second language and 30% of the population speaks it as well as their native language - but they are Bulgarians.And I repeat once again - do not add to the number of Russian Jews and Germans from Russia. Many people speak Russian this is one of the UN languages - but they don’t become Russian. In Russia, more than 100 nationalities and citizenship does not mean belonging to an ethnic group.
Unfortunately, I did not find more accurate data on Russians in the USA. In addition to the 1993 note in the Harvard Journal that the majority of people from Russia are Jews and not Russians.
I tried to remove from the data all cases of double counting but small populations less than 40 thousand did not process.
Do not worsen the article.Hatchiko (talk) 07:18, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
The Joshua Project has been a sticking point on multiple ethnic group articles using their figures to pad out the infobox for diasporic groups in the infobox of ethnicity articles. The Joshua Project is not a reliable source in the manner that a government census is. They're a private interest group and, as such, any statistics gleaned from them should not be used. I'm happy to discuss this with other editors, however I think it's high time this article toed the line with all other such articles in Wikipedia. Iryna Harpy (talk) 10:31, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
It is currently being proposed that Category:Slavic countries and territories be deleted. This article is related to that category. The relevant discussion is located at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 January 8#Countries and territories by language family. The discussion would benefit from input from editors with a knowledge of and interest in Russians. Krakkos (talk) 11:13, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
User:CentreLeftRight, I don't know what we are gaining by having "Great" in the lead referenced to someone who is obviously not a modern and objective scholar of Russia and its history. In other words, I agree with this edit, though not with the insult in the edit summary. Drmies (talk) 20:09, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
"The Russian Empire was formed by Russians in modern-day Russia". This sentence seems a bit confusing to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilya-42 (talk • contribs) 13:02, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
Ruthenians, Rus (original term) have nothing to do with Russians. Rus started in Kievian Rus, in Kiev, territory of modern Ukraine. While Russians came from Moscow, Novgorod, etc. which are hundreds of kilometers from Kiev. Peter the Grand have chosen to call his people Russians, but before this they were called Muscovites. Now, Russia is claiming that her origin is Kievan Rus, but it is not true. There are Ruthenian people (русини) now. They have nothing in commun with Russia, or Russians. They are living in West Ukraine, Checz Republik, Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, and so on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by T0mk0us (talk • contribs)
Crazy boy from Polish borderland — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.227.9.148 (talk) 18:57, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
The main map https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians#/media/File:Russian_people_around_the_world.svg which using black / red colors in it does not follow the policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view I have negative impression when I see this colors like this nation is aggressive. I would suggest to change the colors to neutral ones. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.98.82.189 (talk) 02:19, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
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Until the Russian Revolution, Tsarist Russia never specifically called the people "Russians", referring to them instead as "Great Russians", a part of "Russians" (all the East Slavs).
Maybe redirect to Ruthenians ? It's a common name for all East Slavs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.15.241.95 (talk) 19:04, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
The traditional religion of Russians is Christianity. Placing a photo of a Neo-Pagan ritual as a representation of Russian traditions is very strange. 188.243.183.151 (talk) 13:40, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
Done This change was reverted initially but was changed back. (see [1]) --- Mullafacation {talk page|user page} 17:45, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
This image has nothing to do with russian culture or tradition. There is no such thing as "russian national wedding" or "russian national traditions" etc. It not related to ANY russian tradition, custom, rite etc at all. This rituals was created in mid-2000s by groups of nationalist close to neo-nazis who calls themselfs neopagans which are a very tiny minority in Russian society. 99,9% of russians never heard about "russian national wedding". Read something about Russian wedding traditions and try to find there some clownish druids with leaves on their heads and stylized swastikas. Such images in an article about Russians turn Russian culture into a clownery, bring the article to the point of absurdity. Akerlea Velázquez (talk) 16:25, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Done This change was reverted initially but was changed back. (see [2]) --- Mullafacation {talk page|user page} 17:45, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
Hello! The note in the infobox that the US number includes Russian Germans is not correct; it is "cited," but the cited page says nothing at all about Russian Germans. It is simply Census Bureau data based on self-report, and the USCB does not ask people for more specific categories of Russian or German. Anecdotally, most of the descendants of the Volga Germans just identify their heritage as German in the US (I know a few). But regardless of anecdote, unless someone can produce a citation stating that the number includes Russian/Volga Germans (which I doubt), that statement is potentially misleading and should be removed. I have abandoned my account, otherwise I would do it. Currently at a work computer. - 198.177.93.253 (talk) 17:30, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
Please add Japan in the significant population box. There are 10,000 Russian people in Japan and 30,000 if you include the Northern Territories. Thank you. 2001:268:9877:3BA0:702D:39FF:FECE:6A49 (talk) 22:21, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
I believe there should be extended protection on this article due to the current events happening. There may be vandalism here I believe. I am not a very experienced editor here, so I would like to hear some other editors' opinions on this. Firestar9990 (talk) 04:22, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
She shouldn't be included in this article, since this article is about the Russian ethnic group. Catherine the Great was not Russian. She was born a Prussian/German. Leading Russia does not make her Russian in the sense used in this article (ethnically). She converted from Lutheranism to Eastern Orthodoxy, and become fascinated with Russian culture - that's correct, but she wasn't Russian.
Therefore she should be removed from the box. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ernio48 (talk • contribs) 16:06, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
I am a Russian who lived in Norway for 5 years and I can tell you there is a big Russian community there.There are at least 2000 Russians in Norway — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruskiguy (talk • contribs) 15:10, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
“Orthodox Christianity is their historical religion since the 11th century”
There was no Russians in XI century. Moscow didn’t exist for several centuries more. People of Rus can be defined as one of the ancestors of russians, but it’s not even close to be the same people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.33.124.87 (talk) 08:27, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
The wording in the "Genetics" section should be changed. Instead of "non-Slavic" it should be "recent", as "non-Slavic" could also mean the preexisting people who heavily participated in the formation of the Russians. However, 8% of Russians belong to the one of recent Y-haplogroups I1-M253. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.249.47.134 (talk) 18:05, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Russia Germans and Russian Jews are no ethnic Russians so the number of ethnic Russians, especially in Germany where the vast Majority of Russian Migrants are ethnic German Regmirants and a smaller part are Jews, is much lower. The biggest part of Russian Immigrants who came in the second half of 2010 until now to Germany were Muslims from Northern Caucasus, especially Chechens by the way.--Alchmistischer Chemiker (talk) 15:52, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
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I’ve changed the romanization from russkiye to russkie (corresponding to the modified Library of Congress system), the most common spelling in reliable sources,[3] comprising over 90% of the corpus over the last two decades.[4]
The advice in WP:RUS is a personal essay, describing a non-standard system guaranteed not to consistently match the romanization of any standard system. It should be ignored, and preferably replaced with a standard system that’s commonly used in reliable sources. —Michael Z. 17:42, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
Why it says "the Russians" and not "Russians"? 2603:6011:9600:52C0:645E:6895:7583:F219 (talk) 01:55, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
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Request to either remove, or look further into validity of a claim of 7.2 million Russians living in Ukraine, as the linked source is totally unrelated, the claim seems completely made up, and might actually be an intentional misinformation...
In the table about Russians in various countries, there is stated that there are 7.2 Russians living in Ukraine, but the source doesn't say anything about it, and probably it was used to slip though the approval process in hopes that noone will actually translate and read it,, and i couldn't find a single source confirming that number or anything even in the same ballpark. From what i came up with, it seems to either be intentional disinformation, but it also might be counting both people who identify as Russians, added up with people who identify as Ukrainian who use Russian as their main language. But those are definitely not Russian.
The stated source is invalid and doesn't mention any number like that anywhere, i wasn't able to find anything proving or even hinting the validity of this claim. It honestly sounds like something they would would be saying on Russia-today and it seems completely made up. 85.160.14.188 (talk) 11:25, 18 June 2023 (UTC)