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On a Danish discusion-forum link title I found a reference to this article, refering to the fact that the shilling wasn't issued untill 1548. I will not question that, but only remark that, to my knowledge the shilling was used as a figure many hundred years before that - but only as a way of counting prices (which would then be paid in the only "real" coin - the penny). I am sorry, but I do not have any links support this - do anyone know if I am right?
Well - if I am, then this article might confuse people to think that the concept of the shilling only existed after 1548, which would be misleading.
I've added the note about the alternate (modern) meaing of the phrase "to take the King's shilling" and updated the description of the phrase to "cut someone off without a shilling" to make use of the present tense. I'm under 30, from Scotland (although I now live in London) and am very familer with these phrases and regard them as being in current usage, particularly in Scotland (though I would estimate they are more commonly used by older members of population). I'm not sure how common they are across the rest of the country though, both phrases do seem, anecdotally, to have dropped out of current usage in southern England. FridayUK 02:46, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I don't think it's mentioned on this article, but how many shillings equal 1RS OF INDIA
The Oxford English Dictionary entry makes quite clear that "shilling" is a very old appellation for coins of various denominations. From the sixth century onwards, a Gothic cognate was used in rendering the Latin term "solidus." Coins called shillings were in use on the Continent and among the Germanic kingdoms in Britain, including Mercia and Wessex, with varying values. With the Norman Invasion, the coin called shilling came to denote rather uniformly 12d., i.e. 1/20th of a pound sterling (See OED) On the Continent, in the Holy Roman Empire, the coin, though of often widely different value, was often considered 2/3 of a Rhenish guilder/gulden.
Does anybody know how many shillings were in a Mark, or where I could find such a conversion? I'm trying to make a conversion from Elizabethan England. Thanks 193.1.172.138 13:29, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks a million, Angus. That figure fits in perfectly with the figure of 13s 4d which I got later. I never heard of a 'point' so I'll keep an eye out for that now. Thanks again. 193.1.172.138 15:51, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
This page isn't that great, i apologize. I feel horrible about it too.
Well more than one-half of the text of this article, as of 19 March 2007, deals with varient issues of English shillings minted prior to the Commonwealth. Now I know England invented the shilling, but the coin was used for more than 300 years after that point in history, and variations of this coin were minted in a wide variety of Commonwealth countries, and this article badly needs to be completely rewritten. 12.147.59.132 15:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Actually, the Vikings had the skillingr first, from which the English shilling and Irish scilling derive. Article is far too Anglocentric. EamonnPKeane 10:20, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
It actually quoted two myths... that it came from "skell" meaning ring, when the concept of calculating divisions of the currency in "skilling" has been in Old Norse since Old Norse writing was first written. Also the abbreviation referring to "solidus" is not provable, as the coins between pennies and pounds are many and varied, I'd say the latin was well and truely forgotten; the idea of dividing the pound into 20 came from the Norse, apparently, while before that they'd have referred to doubloons and guinea and so on... it seems no coincidence that the abbreviation for shilling is s, as it starts with s...
220.233.121.43 (talk) 11:46, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
The article as it stands, sites two versions for the derivation of shilling, one in the first paragraph, and one in the article, which should be changed. 82.7.46.52 (talk) 22:36, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
the article recorrect and rewrite please 154.115.222.18 (talk) 22:45, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
Not to be picky--but I believe that what is meant by "(sans-serif) apostrophe" is really "single prime," is it not? --AlanH 12:10, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
That is the idea I was getting, too. I think it might be safe to change it. jr98664 06:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
In other typography trivia, the slash is apparently evolved from the long s. Not sure if that deserves mention but I found it interesting. -- abfackeln (talk) 02:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I am editing a book on 1820s U.S. and there is a reference to shillings. Is this true? Until when were they used? When did dollars and cents take over?
The picture is labled a scottish shilling, how can you tell? A Scottish shilling dated 1938 has a thistle and saltire on either side of an upright lion, am afraid this is the only example of a Scottish shilling i own although. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moustan (talk • contribs) 21:23, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
The article states, 'a shilling today would roughly be equivalent to 5 pence'. This statement is misleading. In monetary terms a shilling is exactly equal to five English new pence, or twelve old pence. The word 'roughly' is therefore both unnecessary and misleading.
On the other hand, if the intention is to give an approximate idea of a shilling's purchasing power, it would much more than five pence can buy in 2009. Not only that, it would be essential to specify the date as the purchasing power of a shilling was greater in, say, 1830 than it was in 1965. --Chris Jefferies (talk) 10:01, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Why was the term "bob" used to mean 1 shilling? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.24.167.51 (talk) 13:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
At end of the introduction on this page, it states "In the past, the English world has had various myths about the shilling. One myth was that it was deemed to be the value of a cow in Kent or a sheep elsewhere."
However the associated page Shilling (British coin carries a direct contradiction: "Originally, a shilling was deemed to be the value of a cow in Kent, or a sheep elsewhere." So which true? Kildwyke (talk) 05:51, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
The alternative nickname of hog is mentioned, but not explained. At one time, the reverse of the shilling bore the device of a boar's head (presumably a reference to the heraldic device of Richard III). From this, and indicative of the comparative worth of the coin in those days (sharply in contrast with the effects of Devaluation), derives the expression going the whole hog. Nuttyskin (talk) 15:56, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
Do we have a WP:FORK violation? In addition to this article, we also have Shilling (British coin) – so in essence we have two articles covering the same thing. Should this article become a simple disambiguation article, pointing to East African shilling, British shilling and AU/NZ/IE etc shillings if such exist? John Maynard Friedman (talk) 17:25, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
Before an edit war breaks out, let's see what a WP:RS says. If someone would like to disentangle it [above my pay grade], the 1933 edition of the OED says
Shilling (ʃi·lin). Forms: 1 scilling, scylling, (-inge), 3 ssillinge, 3-6 schillinge, 4 ssyllyng, 4-5 schillyng(e, schelyng(e, shulleng(e, schullyng(e, 4-6 schiling, shill-, shyllyng(e, inge, silling, 4-7 schilling, 5 schyllynge, shylynge, schilenge, silyn, 5-6 sheling, -yng(e, shellyng(e, 6 scheling(e, schillengge, shealinge, shyllyn, syllyng, 4- shilling.
[Common Teut.: OE. scilling masc. = OFris. skilling, skilleng, schilling, MDu. schellingh (Du. schelling), OS. scilling (MLG. schillink, schildink, mod.LG. schillink, schilling), OHG, scilling, skil link, schilling (MHG., G. schilling), ON. skil lingr (Icel. also skilding, Sw., Da. skilling), Goth. skilliggs:-OTeut* skillings. Adopted in OSlav. as skilleat, in Sp., Pr., Fr. as escalin (13th c. F. eskallin, mod. F. also schelling), It, scellino.
The Teut, word is referred by some etymologists to the root *skell to resound, ring (see SHILL a and v.) Others assign it to the root *skel to divide (whence SKILL v. SHALE sb., SHELL sb., etc.); some have conjectured that the word originally denoted one of the segments of fixed weight into which an armlet of gold or silver was divided, so that they might be detached for use as money. In the bilingual documents of the 6th century, Goth. skilliggs corresponds to the L. SOLIDUS; in medieval Germany the Teut. and the Latin word were commonly used to render each other, but in England the correspondence appears to have been only occasionally recognized until Norman times.The value of the 'shilling' in continental Teut. countries has varied greatly; its relation to the penny and the pound has also varied, though a widely accepted scale was 1 pound or libra = 20 shillings or solidi = 240 pennies or denarii See SCHELLING, SCHILLING, SKILLING 2.]
1. An English money of account, since the Norman Conquest of the value of 12 pence or of a pound sterling. Abbreviated s. (= L. solidus: see SOLIDUS 1), formerly also sh., shil.; otherwise denoted by the sign /- after the numeral
𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:42, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Considering recent archeology found 14th-12th century Phoenician trade networks in England; it would be more credible that proto-german shkel comes from shekel a currency that is actually confirmed as being traded in the region by Phoenician traders in the 12-14th century BC England.
"Ancient tin found in Israel has unexpected Cornish links". CNN. 19 September 2019.
"Shillings, gods and runes: clues in language suggest a Semitic superpower in ancient northern Europe". The Conversation.
Patrick.N.L (talk) 14:56, 13 March 2023 (UTC)