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To-do: Updated 2007-12-28
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Should "mini game" be one or two words? Rlquall 00:07, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Didn't Pyramid air from NYC for a while after the time frame of TTTT discussed here? Rlquall 03:18, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I don't see the point to listing every panelist who did TTTT, especially the 1990-91 version, which didn't have a regular panel per se. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 09:04, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
To Tell the Truth is also the name of Charles Robert Jenkins' autobiography. Any objection if I move this page to To Tell the Truth (gameshow) and make To Tell the Truth a disambig? cab 09:06, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps this line at the top:
To Tell the Truth is also the title of the autobiography of desering U.S. soldier Charles Robert Jenkins.
Lambertman 17:32, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
The article is, overall, fairly well-written, but it does go into a lot of irrelevance. Plus, the writer(s) go on a lot of tangents. The writer(s) often stray from the subject. The name of the article is "To Tell The Truth." There is too much anecdotal stuff about other game shows, and about other things. Just my two cents. I have begun to attempt to edit it, but it's going to take some time. It needs a lot of work. By the way, no hard feelings intended. That's meant to be constructive criticism. Slater79 21:19, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I've nominated this to be a Good Article. FamicomJL 23:16, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
I hate to do this, because (with few exceptions) this is a very well-written article. In general, self-published websites are not reliable sources for an article. (See WP:URS and WP:SPS.) I know it may be difficult to find published sources about a television series, but I recently reviewed an article on the game show QI, which cited episodes themselves as sources, in addition to the show's official website. If you have questions about the policy, it might be better to ask at WP:RS, because I in no way consider myself an expert. Good luck, and keep working! shoy 18:53, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
This failed last time due to not having good sources and episode citations. I have added some. Due to the fact that some citated episodes aired in syndication, and would air on different dates in different cities, I have only added the year they aired. The Ally Sheedy episode citation is the only exception, due to the fact that one of the panelists mentioned that the film Jaws was going to air the day after the taping. Please take the above in consideration, thank you. FamicomJL 05:55, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
I have taken on To Tell the Truth for review under the Good Article criteria, as nominated on the Good article candidates page by FamicomJL. You'll be pleased to hear that the article meets none of the quick-fail criteria, so I will shortly be conducting an in-depth review and will post the results below.
Where an article is not an outright pass, but requires relatively minor additional work to be brought up to GA standard, I will normally place it on hold - meaning that editors have around a week to address any issues raised. As a precaution to prevent failure by default should this occur, if editors are likely to be unavailable over the next ten days or so, feel free to leave a message on my talk page so we can arrange a more convenient time for review. I have read the above comment regarding sources, and this will be taken into account ;)
Regards, EyeSereneTALK 19:16, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I have now reviewed the article, and have placed GA status on hold pending a few issues being dealt with - these are detailed below under the six Good Article criteria.
1. MoS and prose: FAIL
I've copyedited the intro slightly for clarity - it's actually a surprisingly difficult game concept to explain succinctly. Please correct any mistakes I've introduced ;) There are also other areas that need attention:
*There are some partial dates that are wikilinked - really only full dates (ie day-month-year) should be wikilinked as it allows them to be displayed according to the user preferences.
2. Factual accuracy and verifiability WEAK PASS
I think you've done a reasonable job sourcing given your comments above - obviously this would not pass FA, and I would prefer more sources, but I think it is just about adequate for GA status. For further improvement in the future, additional sourcing would be the main area to concentrate on to avoid any accusations of original research (not that I believe there is any!).
3. Broadness of coverage PASS
The article subject is covered very comprehensively, and the article stays focused - it may be worth in the future forking off the season sections into articles of their own if you intend to add more to them.
4. Neutrality PASS
There is no evidence of bias in the article.
5. Stability PASS
The article is stable and not subject to recent edit-warring.
6. Images PASS
'Fair Use', as I'm sure you know, is not the ideal tag for WP, and would again generate objections at FA. However, the rationale given is sound, the images are appropriate, and they are suitably captioned.
You've done a great job with this article so far - I'll look forward to re-reviewing when you are ready. Hold gives up to a week for the above points to be dealt with, so I'll check back here next weekend if I haven't heard from you before then. Any questions etc, don't hesitate to get in touch. All the best, EyeSereneTALK 20:14, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
2. Yeah, that's what I've mostly been working on, pain in the butt when it's a show where the syndicated runs mean it aired on different dates in different parts of the U.S. :(. I might also try to get in contact with one of the hosts of the show, if I can. I'm sure an interview would help. :)
3. Agreed, not yet though. :)
Ok, I'll get to work on all of that. Thanks for the review, and hope to see you next time to say that it's a GA! :) FamicomJL 20:24, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Congratulations on an excellent copyedit on the suggestions provided. I now have no hesitation in passing To Tell the Truth as a Good Article, and have listed it as such on the Good Articles page under Social sciences and society > Media > Television and Radio shows and series. For the record, FamicomJL was the major contributor to this GA pass, with 22 edits between the start and end of the GA review process (only editors with 5 or more edits are listed). For future improvement, the lead section would benefit from further expansion, and the task of finding additional references should to be continued.
You have put in a lot of work on this article, and deserve credit for your efforts. Well done! EyeSereneTALK 14:08, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Still no source, but I'd heard that story years and years ago, so that editor didn't make it up, at the very least. Lambertman (talk) 17:48, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Please see this page to discuss whether this article should retain its GA listing. Majoreditor (talk) 16:46, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
The Bud Collyer's version has just starting airing in GSN's Black and White Overnight Block. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.189.21.176 (talk) 02:25, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
The article states that only a handful of the first 3 years of daytime episodes survive. Where can I find out which episodes survived and where they are archived? respond to dana.bryan@dep.state.fl.us Dana.bryan (talk) 19:33, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
When you mentioned that impostors do not get paid for being on the 2016 version, I see not proof that confirms or denies your statement. Please source that statement. Kaos 42 (talk) 04:04, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
When you mentioned that impostors do not get paid for being on the 2016 version, I see no proof that confirms or denies your statement. Please source that statement. Kaos 42 (talk) 04:05, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
I've seen a newspaper ad for impostors that says that everyone receives/received a $1,000 appearance fee. I can't find it again, unfortunately, so I'm not adidng it to the article. 15:01, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
Can't provide citation for this yet, but the following appears in the "1969-1978, syndication" section:
"The first, designed by Theodore Cooper and dubbed by some as the "psychedelic" set, was used for the first two seasons and the first four weeks of the third; with one man on the door.[10] The second set was a toned-down set, with two additional men added on the door, and it was used from the fifth week of the third season through the first 30 weeks of the fourth. The third--and longest-lived--set, which Cooper also designed, was a blue-hued, gold-accented, block-motif set. This set was used for the remainder of the run.[11]"
Theodore Cooper (my father) was the Art Director for Goodson-Todman and then Mark Goodson Productions from 1960 through 1995 when it was dissolved. He designed the sets for all syndicated shows. Network programs, because of Union rules, had to be designed by a network Designer, though under his supervision. (There is almost certainly no proper documentation for this, but many of the network sets were clearly his style and I remember him doing the design for a number of them, so, in fact, he also designed, uncredited, many of them).
In any case, the point is that, almost certainly, he designed the second set as well as the first and third. I'll try to pick out a YouTube video from that period, so as to be able to cite his credit in the end-scroll, when I can get to it.
The following episode, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHb44sjE-ZU, is supposedly the first show from 1972, and in any case uses the second set. The credit scroll at the 22:16 mark shows "Setting by Theodore Cooper".
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