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Quote: " uvans are also recognized as an ethnic minority in China."
Comment: I'm not so sure about that. The Tuvans aren't one of the 56 nationalities of China. It is not government-recognized that way. And if one speak of "recognized by some fellow Chinese", I don't know how NPOV that can be. --Menchi 21:52, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Comment: I did some checking and Tuvans in China are actually included under the Mongol nationality. --Abstakt 7 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I'm going to start adding to the history section little by little. Some things won't be fleshed out until I'm done. Well see how it goes... --Stacey Doljack Borsody 00:54, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
From Tuva#History: It established itself as a khanate in the fifteenth century until 1757 when it was brought under Chinese Manchu rule to 1911. Andreas (T) 17:43, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
That statement seems wrong. Tuva was part of the Dzungarian Empire until 1755 according to my sources. That hardly makes it a separate khanate. I'm not currently familiar with what is written in that Tuva article, but I don't agree that the sections should be merged. The history section in this article should regard the history of the Tuvan people, not the history of Tuva. At a later date I think I should visit what is written in the Tuva article. --Stacey Doljack Borsody 18:33, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Somehow I don't think the numbers given for Tsengel Tuvans are right. Example http://www.bjreview.com.cn/nation/txt/2006-12/09/content_50337.htm says "There are about 200,000 Tuvans worldwide, with 30,000 living in Mongolia and the rest mainly in the Republic of Tuva, which is part of the Russia." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sborsody (talk • contribs) 21:29, 9 February 2007 (UTC).
Uriankhai are Mongol speaking Tuvans out of the Tuvans area (Bayan-Ölgii, Khovd). Bogomolov.PL 11:26, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all ((Infobox Ethnic group)) infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 20:55, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
I have inserted a shaman image into Religion section. It was a former lead image of the Shamanism article (now moved into a section about revitalization efforts). The lack of details known about the image was a problem. Among the few certain things: the image is rather recent. Later (= just now) I have found an image in Hoppál 2005: 117 that looks similar. If this similarity proves to be real, than probably our Kyzyl shamn image illustrates a Tuvan shaman, possibly member of a revitalization organization called "Düngür" (= "shaman drum"), run in the Tuvan capital Kyzyl. Similar features: headdress (feathers, hanging pearls); tools on the table (candle, [oil] lamp, stick).
Hoppál, Mihály (2005). Sámánok Eurázsiában (in Hungarian). Budapest: Akadémiai Kiadó. ISBN 963-05-8295-3. The title means “Shamans in Eurasia”, the book is published also in German, Estonian and Finnish. Site of publisher with short description on the book (in Hungarian).
Physis (talk) 01:48, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
I think that Tuvans are a sub tribes of Mongol peoples, Maybe their language is more related Turkic languages. But their life style, religion, culture and history tell us that they are only related to Mongols. Until 1930s Tuva (Urainkhai) was a part of Mongolia. Then Russia made it separate from Mongolia and got it a part of Russia. After that Russian scientists always separate it from Mongols. It is just reason that they are called as Turkic.
Thanks for your point. But there were various nomadic empires of Altaic nations such as Xiongnu, the Rouran, the Xianbei, the Gökturks, and Great Mongol Empire. Most of them moved to the west. The land including Tuva was a part of all them. My second consideration is The Secret History of the Mongols. In the book Oirats was not called as different nation or people. Even though Khidans were called as different people, however they were close relative to Mongols at that time. And also there is an interesting record in The Secret History of the Mongols that ancestors of Hamag Monggol (main Mongol tribe before Mongol empire and father of Genghis Khan was their leader) came from west side of lake Baikal to central and eastern Mongolia. Therefore I can't agree Tuva is only Turkic. Then I think Tuva is more close to Mongols than Turks. The facts tell us that Tuva is Mongol-Turkic tribe at least.
I'm an uriankhai. I know my ancestors of my 7 generations (more than 300 years). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bileg (talk • contribs) 14:12, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
[[3]]: "The name means "uria" (motto, war motto) in Mongolian language.Mongols applied Mongolian Uriankhai name to all tribes of Forest People. This name has been applied to Tuvans later. In Mongolia there are peoples also known by this name but the Altai Uriankhais are not Tuvans because their clan name are different. There are almost no Turkic especially Samoyedic clan among the Altai Uriankhais and they were one of Darligin Mongols. The Tuvan language contains many Mongol words (30%-40%?)". I need to clarify something : 1.There is no (almost) Turkic and Samoyedic clan among the Altai Uriankhai, Mongolian scientists never say that Altai Uriankhai clans are Turkic or Samoyedic 2. The name "Uriankhai" is Mongol word and Uriankhai were Darligin Mongols. 182.160.6.197 (talk) 16:52, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
This edit made by User:KherlenBorjigin replaced the relevant information of the turkic language of Tuvans with nonrelevant (as without any sources) about "Turko-Mongol language". As all relevant sources are supporting the turkic Tuvan language, so Tuvans are formally Turkic people. Cultural presence of Tuvans in the common with Mongols cultural/geographical/religious/economical/historical tradition does not decide with the Tuvan language origins. Tuvans are on a edge of Turkic and Mongol languages areas, but their language is definitely Turkic linguistically. Culture of Tuvans is very close to the Mongolian neighbours, but this fact we need separate from linguistic family definition.
Private opinions of a wikipedian are nonrelevant in the article - can we find scientific sources describing Tuvan language as "Turko-Mongol language" not as definiton of Altaic languages? Is it possible to ignore Turkic origins of Tuvans? Even if we have a different opinion in this question - a lot of relevant sources are calling Tuvans as Turkic people. This fact (presence of this scientific opinion) we must describe in the article. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 07:57, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Where did the Tuvan family photo go? I didn't even notice it was removed! --Stacey Doljack Borsody (talk) 17:17, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
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Minority Rights Group International is as reliable as you can get. There are countless genetic studies. Shut up and keep your jingoist ideology elsewhere. Sherwilliam (talk) 07:15, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
--Stacey Doljack Borsody (talk) 17:35, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
MRG meant in their article. The problem is we occasionally have a lot Turkologists simply claiming everyone speaking Turkish as Turks. I have seen edit wars waged over so many articles including even Genghis Khan. Anyway, sorry about that. Sherwilliam (talk) 19:44, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
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