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Udal and Alha were yadav soldiers and they fought with prithviraj chauhan and make him lose MahenSingha (Talk) 18:51, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
All the given information is not correct Manjityadav139 (talk) 03:05, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
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Please change Udal (full name Udai Singh) was a legendary person who, like his brother Alha, was of mixed Ahir and Rajput descent with Udal (full name Udai Singh) was a legendary person who, like his brother Alha, was Chandravanshi Banafar Rajput Warrior because historical evidences are available to proof that he was a chandravanshi kshatriya Rajput and not an Ahir Ksr31 (talk) 07:05, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
Their father was ahir from baxur. It is biggest misconception in the history is that every kshatriy and every king were raajput, it is not soo. Rajput is mediaeval terminology.. Historians used common term rajpoot for various kings belonging to ahir, jat, gujar,bhar, gond, pasi kings. Satyitihas (talk) 23:26, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
First of all his grandfather was Tomar (Rajput) and when he left the thrown his two son come with him but after his death Raja Parmal ask them to stay in Bundelkhand and they agreed.
Because they live a long time in Forest (van) that's why this clan is known as banaphar. And ahir, gujjar,jat etc are come in the shudra varna and kshatriya is a another varna.Then how they become kshatriya? And only kshatriya called as rajput, since the time of mahabharat and even before that Eroberar (talk) 04:47, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
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Alha and udal(alha's younger brother) are rajput warrior. Alha and udal were children of dassraj which belongs to Rajput clan.It is
wrote in the alha kand ( referring to poetic works in hindi which consists of a number of ballads describing the brave acts of banaphar heroes alha and udal) that alha and udal are rajput. Articles (reliable sources):1. https://books.google.co.in/books?id=ob7UAAAAMAAJ&q=banaphar+rajput&dq=banaphar+rajput&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwimrsOB6bbrAhWjyjgGHe4XAwg4ChDoATAFegQIARAB 2.https://books.google.co.in/books?id=pR5uAAAAMAAJ&q=banaphar+rajput&dq=banaphar+rajput&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwimrsOB6bbrAhWjyjgGHe4XAwg4ChDoATAEegQIAxAB 3.https://books.google.co.in/books?id=GQuNSQAACAAJ&dq=banaphar+rajput&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwimrsOB6bbrAhWjyjgGHe4XAwg4ChDoATAIegQIBBAB Ultimate survi (talk) 17:04, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
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Udal was the younger brother of Alha and Alha was a Banafar Rajput [1], [2] Then why are they being told about the mixed background here? And the book given as reference to support the mixed background claim is totally nonsense because he clearly said that "banafar rajput", you can check:-[3] I see the article history and saw that for some 1 year people from other communities have been trying to tell all Rajput Heroes to be their own, without any fact and Wikipedia team not react at that time. And written in a line that ballads sing Ahir bravery and exactly one two lines ago it was written that they were of mixed background, isn't it stupid or isn't it not biases. I'm a Banafar Rajput myself and that's why I am saying all this. And this same mistake is in pages Banaphar and Alha,so I request you please correct it. Sumit banaphar (talk) 07:22, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
Alha is banaphar rajput,and he belongs to rajput descent and this same mistake is in Alha and Banaphar so please correct there as well. Sumit banaphar (talk) 05:10, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
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Alha belongs to Banaphar community which is a rajput clan so please change Ahir and rajput to only rajput Sumit banaphar (talk) 10:17, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
Yes I have reliable sources for what I'm saying.you can see here:-[4],[5],[6]and[7]if you want more i can,and yeah bonadea sir but he clearly said that banaphar is Rajput tribe see here[8] Eroberar (talk) 16:01, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
@Sumit banaphar, I'm also banaphar and I am a rajput that's why I comment here.Eroberar (talk) 16:09, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
Their father was ahir from buxur It is biggest misconception in the history is that every kshatriy and every king were raajput, it is not soo. Rajput is mediaeval terminology.. Historians used common term rajpoot for various kings belonging to ahir, jat, gujar,bhar, gond, pasi kings. Satyitihas (talk) 23:27, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
Archeological survey of india states that they were ahirs. https://books.google.co.in/books?id=WCArAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA73&dq=alha+udal+ahir&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiY1uK4usTpAhWMzjgGHXg_D7cQ6AEIFzAC#v=onepage&q=alha%20udal%20ahir&f=false Satyitihas (talk) 23:30, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
@Satyitihas,ASI is not a trustable source anywhere, even most of the historians decline that ASI was even a historical book and if you're talking about Alha's father so let me tell you that it is written in the Alha khand that they were Rajput.
And yeah Rajput is a title which is given to all kshatriya's in Vedas,Purans and in many religious books and jaat,gujjar,Ahir etc all are in Shudra varna and Kshatriya is a different varna.So respect that Sumit banaphar (talk) 16:05, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
@teb728:-[9],[10] and [11] please check these links Sumit banaphar (talk) 16:40, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
@bonadea:-[12] and [13] please check these links Sumit banaphar (talk) 16:47, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
@bonadea: First of all they are not unexplained books.They are published by government and government is not going to publish something which is not sure.
And it is about understanding hindi language because Alha khand is written in hindi language. Sumit banaphar (talk) 16:48, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
1. Alha khand:- [14]
2. Alha Udal ki Veergatha:- [15] Sumit banaphar (talk) 17:05, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
@bonadea:- Sir , Alf Hiltebeitel is talking about the Banaphar heroes (Alha, Udal, Malkhan and Sulkhan) not about whole Banaphar clan. And he clearly states that Banaphar is a Rajput tribe [16]. Sumit banaphar (talk) 17:22, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
@bonadea:-First understand what I am saying, check the link and than reply me, Please!
And you're talking about "Banafar Rajput" phrase and I am talking "a mixed form of dialect of Bundeli which derives its name from Banaphar, a Rajput tribe" line.Because it's seems baseless while you're not getting what I'm saying and point just i thing again and again. Sumit banaphar (talk) 09:21, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
And No, they clearly mentioned about banaphar clan in it and if I'm saying the books using as reference on the article is saying something else so now you're saying that "Remember that cherry-picking isolated phrases is never going to be a valid form of sourcing" but first understand that you're using that phrase as a reliable source in this article. And if you're too busy than sorry for wasting your time and thank you for giving your time. I would ask any other helpful administrator for help. Sumit banaphar (talk) 09:41, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
And I am also saying this again that you are talking about "Banafar Rajput" phrase and I am talking about this "a mixed form of dialect of Bundeli which derives its name from Banaphar, a Rajput tribe" line in page no.304
please check page no.133 where he is saying that according to Grierson (who translated Alha khand) there is no proof that their mother is Ahir. Sumit banaphar (talk) 18:13, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Alha khand
https://books.google.co.in/books?id=ZOPUZo4fNLAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=inauthor:%22Asha+Gupta%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjAs73n8tfsAhVPfisKHcNPAOIQ6AEwAXoECAIQAg#v=onepage&q&f=false Sumit banaphar (talk) 18:16, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Udal was a banafar rajput and there is many references available on internet. His father was Dasraj, he were also a rajput. I accept that his mother was belongs to ahir community, and at that ahir ahirs were called shudra, but alha and udal called rajput and accepted their father's caste.
Reference #1 : [1]
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Reference #2 : पं० ललिता प्रसाद मिश्र (2007). आल्हखण्ड (15 संस्करण). पोस्ट बॉक्स 85 लखनऊ 226001: तेजकुमार बुक डिपो (प्रा०) लि०. पृ॰ 1-11 ( महोबे का इतिहास). पाठ "आल्हा ने 52 लड़ाईयां लड़ीं और जीती कभी कोई आल्हा को नहीं हरा सक " की उपेक्षा की गयी |
Kindly edit the information, and remove the confusion of ahir and rajput. I can also edit this but i dont want to do vandalism.
Thanks, अभिषेक सिंह चन्देल (talk) 11:22, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
They were ahirs the fake information should be removed Manjityadav139 (talk) 03:04, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
1. banfar is a subcaste of ahir/yadavs Communities, Segments, Synonyms, Surnames and Titles (Anthropological Survey of India, 199) page no.1293[1]
2. also in Archaeological Survey of India Reports 1862-1884 · Volume 19 page no.73 Alha udal are referred as Ahir chiefs[2]
3. Sons of Krishna: the politics of Yadav community formation in a North Indian town, Lucia Michelutti, London School of Economics and Political Science University of London.[3]
here Alha is referred as Ahir hero and yadav wrestler.
Alha Udal ji are Ahir! — Preceding unsigned comment added by History1nerd (talk • contribs) 04:02, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
1. Report of a Tour Through Behar, Central India, Peshawar, and Yusufzai, 1881-82, page no.73 [1] Alha udal were Ahir warriors. pls consider our proofs! thank you History1nerd (talk)History1nerd
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Only one and the other sources easily mention him has kshatriya or Rajput. Other sources say that their mother were Ahirs. RS6784 (talk) 12:03, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
I've looked into some of the references regarding the origin of the Banaphars, as well as Alha and Udal at Talk:Banaphar#Regarding_the_origin_of_the_Banaphars,_Alha,_and_Udal. Feel free to comment there. ◢ Ganbaruby! (talk) 07:22, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
Reverted to clean version by Bonadea. Both contested version suffer from POV and sourcing problems. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:34, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
If possible it would be interesting to include something about what he means today. Is he in dramas, is he an icon to some people etc. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:26, 25 May 2022 (UTC)