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Thank you for creating this page! Feedback by Whonix forum: https://forums.whonix.org/t/wikipedia-page-corrections/484 Adrelanos (talk) 15:53, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Qubes OS ?

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Shouldn't/couldn't the article be updated to reflect the (very good) new configuration option of running Whonix as a template in Qubes OS ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.74.136.83 (talk) 23:16, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Probably should, they seem to be migrating entirely to Qubes. 216.137.192.89 (talk) 08:11, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not migrating entirely to Qubes. Adrelanos (talk) 15:54, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Qubes OS + addition of new categories

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Hello everybody,

Even though I am new to Wikipedia, I am a Whonix and Qubes OS User and profoundly admire Adrelanos' high-quality work and constant efforts for the project.

I would like to make my small contribution by adding more information and attempting to improve the page, with the final goal of (ideally) having the template messages removed.

If someone has any feedback on which categories could be improved I would be more than glad to hear them, my initial thoughts would be (in random order):

I will start with the changes hopefully by the end of the week, very curious to know what you think.

IrrationalBeing (talk) 22:00, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

After looking at what other projects are doing (specifically Debian and Ubuntu), I think I will work towards the addition of the following categories, alongside the improvement of the current page:

IrrationalBeing (talk) 22:13, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rationale behind my edits

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Removed reference to TorBOX from intro

While the project who later grew into what is now known as Whonix was once called TorBOX[1], it feels confusing: there is currently another project called TorBox which has nothing to do with Whonix.[2][3]

Changed "Debian-based" to "Kicksecure-based"

While Whonix is technically based on Debian, it would be more precise to specify the usage of Kicksecure (which is a derivative of Debian)[4]. Unfortunately at the time of writing no Kicksecure Wikipedia page exists (understandable since it is still in pre-release, no ISO exists[5] and the website https://www.kicksecure.com went public only in November 2021[6])

I pondered this a while and checked for similar situations on other Wikipedia articles. The Pop!_OS GNU/Linux distribution is based on Ubuntu and currently states so in the article, but doesn't directly refer its consequent reliance on Debian. Ubuntu is based on Debian and credits the project accordingly.

On the other hand, this might feel like cherry-picking: I am not aware of many distributions which are based on a project which is subsequently based on another. Is the case of Fedora and Red Hat Enterprise Linux the same?

There are plenty. See Linux Mint for instance, or Elementary. --MichielN (talk) 21:24, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To conclude, the relationship between Kickstarter and Debian is further clarified into the Design, so it feels to me more natural to state so at the page's beginning.

I would prefer to NOT put it in the lead section, exactly because Kicksecure does not yet have its own article. Without knowing what Kicksecure is and without a way to look it up on Wikipedia mentioning it does not provide useful information. Whether the lead should mention Debian instead I don't know. Does it have to have its origin stated? If so, then Debian, I would say. --MichielN (talk) 21:24, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Removed link to the "Linux" (Kernel) page

Before the edit "Linux" pointed to the Linux kernel page and "distribution" pointed to Linux distribution. It's a very small change indeed, but it is meant to follow what other pages are doing (Debian, Ubuntu, Tails, Fedora...)

IrrationalBeing (talk) 19:54, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Removed first reference (GitHub) and added Repository to InfoBox

I don't think it's necessary to put a reference after the very first word. If anything it belongs in the InfoBox. Also, Whonix moved from GitHub to GitLab in June 2020.[7]

Inserted pronunciation

This page shows how Whonix is pronounced in respelling. The IPA version is not provided. Since I have no experience with it, I relied on an online phonetic transcriber. I would be very glad if someone could double check its correctness.

I changed the 'u' to 'u:' and removed the space. --MichielN (talk) 21:24, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Added source to the project goals

I am aware this is a link to the project itself, but I would argue there is no better source than the main website to show its goals.

Removed "security" from the goals and changed the claim of being "security focused" to "security hardened"

While Whonix describe itself as hardened, nowhere (to the best of my abilities) have I found any mention of it being a "security focused" distribution (focusing itself on privacy and anonymity). Qubes OS does claim to be "reasonably secure"[8]. I removed the link to the Wikipedia Security-focused operating system because of this very reason, even though Whonix is still listed there.

Changed "running Debian Linux" to "running Debian GNU/Linux"

Please note that I am not trying to start a controversy by doing this. Since Kicksecure is based on Debian, I am matching what the latter shows on its own page.

Mention the existence of Wikis for Whonix and Kicksecure

Arch Linux, who is renowned for having a high-quality documentation[9][10][11] mentions that. Since Whonix does also have extensive documentation, I think it is useful to include it.

Lastly, I would have liked to update the image in the Infobox to the new one by the Whonix Project which can be found here. However, I haven't found any information about the license aside from this notice. Also, due to my account being created very recently, I am not sure whether I am even allowed to load new files on Wikimedia Commons.

IrrationalBeing (talk) 22:02, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Initial release changed, even if it's probably incorrect (see talk page)

Previously, the declared initial release (in the Infobox) was the 2012-02-29. However, I pushed the date further to 2012-09-28. There are two reasons for that:

There are some discrepancies about the date. The first (unreleased) version of Whonix was 0.3.0, which was still based on Ubuntu.[14] The Changelog shows that the release 0.2.1 (2012-07-16) was already called Whonix[15], while another page specifies the same release as still being TorBOX[16]. Also, version 0.4.5 of Whonix was released the 2012-09-10[17], therefore version 0.4.4 has to be logically released before that date.

In short, as of now I am unable to pinpoint the exact date. There is also another question which stands out:

Should the release date reflect the release of TorBOX (which would be the 2012-01-11[18]) or from the first iteration with the new name Whonix?

I will attempt to contact Adrelanos and ask about this.

EDIT 2022-03-21: reverted, see below.

Created new heading about the project's history and first draft

Self-explaining.

IrrationalBeing (talk) 18:53, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reverted release date to the 2012-02-29, found the reference

The reference is in the changelog: https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Dev/Old_Changelog#older Also, the Whonix project self described the initial release at that date: https://web.archive.org/web/20131212025527/https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Main_Page

Added Onion link to Infobox

Will try to get it whitelisted following this procedure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Spam-whitelist

If successful, I will update the link with a whitelist exemption.

IrrationalBeing (talk) 22:30, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Added references to onion links in the Infobox

Self-explaining. I also requested the whitelisting here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Spam-whitelist#Link_requested_to_be_whitelisted:_dds6qkxpwdeubwucdiaord2xgbbeyds25rbsgr73tbfpqpt4a6vjwsyd.onion

IrrationalBeing (talk) 13:34, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ https://gitlab.torproject.org/legacy/trac/-/wikis/doc/TorBOX
  2. ^ https://www.torbox.ch/?page_id=112#what-are-the-main-differences-between-torbox-and-whonix
  3. ^ https://github.com/radio24/TorBox
  4. ^ https://www.kicksecure.com/wiki/Main_Page#Hardening_by_Default
  5. ^ https://www.kicksecure.com/wiki/Download
  6. ^ https://www.kicksecure.com/wiki/Pre-release
  7. ^ https://forums.whonix.org/t/whonix-moving-from-github-to-gitlab/9676
  8. ^ https://www.qubes-os.org/
  9. ^ https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/15/arch_linux_20/
  10. ^ https://dengenchronicles.com/is-arch-linux-better-than-linux-mint/#Is_Arch_Linux_better_than_Linux_Mint
  11. ^ https://www.makeuseof.com/what-is-arch-linux/
  12. ^ https://www.whonix.org/wiki/History#Footnotes
  13. ^ https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Old_Project_Versions_and_News#Whonix_%E2%84%A2_0.4.4_(old,_released)
  14. ^ https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Old_Project_Versions_and_News#Whonix_%E2%84%A2_0.3.0_(never_released)
  15. ^ https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Dev/Old_Changelog#Whonix_%E2%84%A2_0.2.1_Changelog
  16. ^ https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Old_Project_Versions_and_News#TorBOX_0.2.1_(old,_released)
  17. ^ https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Old_Project_Versions_and_News#Whonix_%E2%84%A2_0.4.5_(old,_released)
  18. ^ https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Old_Project_Versions_and_News#Old_News
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