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I have removed the following which needs additional sources: Taft was reluctant to use federal authority to enforce the 15th amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which guaranteed African Americans the right to vote. As a result, state governments were able to enforce voter registration requirements that prevented African Americans from voting. Lynching by whites was common throughout the South at the time; however, Taft did nothing to stop the practice. Taft publicly endorsed Booker T. Washington's program for uplifting the black race, advising them to stay out of politics at the time.[1] A supporter of free immigration, Taft vetoed a law passed by Congress that would have restricted admissions by imposing a literacy test.[2] Hoppyh (talk) 19:04, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
Hello all,
I am a regular consumer of Wikipedia, usually because I have read something historical and would like additional background information about something or other. That was exactly what happened when I accessed the above entry, and was confronted with the below paragraph:
"President Theodore Roosevelt offered Taft (then Governor -General of the Philippines) the seat on the Supreme Court to which he had for so long aspired, but he reluctantly declined since he viewed the Filipinos as not yet being capable of governing themselves and because of his popularity among them."
This is a remarkable piece of historical revision. Taft presided over a brutal counter-insurgency campaign which saw US forces liberally use torture and the massacre of civilians as a way to quell the opposition. He was popular with the very small segment of the population who sided with the US, but hated by all others.
I corrected this entry, The first time I had attempted to do something like this. I did so without references and in a pretty direct way. The edit was reversed, stating that it appeared that I was "biased". Fair enough. So I edited the entry again, this time using more moderate language and inserting numerous references. Same response: I was deemed "not neutral". But no countervailing references were ever produced.
I have therefore contacted the Wikipedia people, who have helpfully explained the editing process to me and guided me to this page. Here's my pitch: the evidence (much of it listed in Wikipedia's own entry on the Philippine Insurrection) conclusively proves that the USA conducted a brutal counter-insurgency campaign during Taft's tenure as Governor-General. Concentration camps, torture and massacres of civilians were all common. Taft himself is on record as espousing pretty racist views, of the Philippinos being like children and his own role being very much in keeping with the "White Man's Burden" approach.
So I propose that this entry be, at the minimum, revised to reflect these historical facts.
Before you write me off as a Yankee-hating loon, you should know I am the doctor who has spent more time in combat in Afghanistan than any other Canadian Armed Forces MD. Google me.
Best wishes for 2012,
Captain Ray Wiss, M.D. "FOB Doc" portray@vianet.ca — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.42.176.102 (talk) 20:34, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
--I have also wondered about this. General Eisenhower — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.182.149.62 (talk) 00:33, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
In the opening paragraph it states that Taft, along with James Polk, were the only two to have headed different branches of the federal government. However, given that the Legislative branch is composed of both the House of Representatives and the Senate, I think this should be removed. The inclusion/phrasing makes it seem as if the House is more important or has more power than the Senate. Thoughts? 67.181.76.194 (talk) 21:02, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
According to source 18 (http://millercenter.org/academic/americanpresident/taft/essays/biography/2)Which is part of the University of Virginia's Presidents info pages, states that it was Wilson who Appointed Taft as noted on this wiki document. However The Virginia Universities president info site also States on Teddy Roosevelt's Foreign Affairs page that he in fact appointed Taft: "Philippines One of the situations that Roosevelt inherited upon taking office was governance of the Philippines, an island nation in Asia. During the Spanish-American War, the United States had taken control of the archipelago from Spain. When Roosevelt appointed William Howard Taft as the first civilian governor of the islands in 1901, Taft recommended the creation of a civil government with an elected legislative assembly. The Taft administration was able to negotiate with Congress for a bill that included a governor general, an independent judiciary, and the legislative assembly." URL: http://millercenter.org/president/roosevelt/essays/biography/5
Anyway... thought someone might want to check that for the truth... sounds like an oops on the Virginia Universities part. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.109.165.205 (talk) 21:43, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
I don't understand this edit. It looks like it may flout WP:DUE. I took a brief stab at looking deeper by looking at Larry Schweikart; Michael Patrick Allen (2004), A Patriot's History of the United States: From Columbus's Great Discovery to the War on Terror, Penguin, ISBN 978-1-101-21778-8, but I don't have access to dead tree sources and that source is not previewable online. It looks to me like this deserves a second look and, if the removal of the cites stands, that probably implies the need for insertion of some ((cn)) tags. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 01:24, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
Footnote 103 right now leads to apneos.com, which claims to have supported research about Taft's probable sleep apnea. However, the website is a commercial one, and none of their links go to the actual research they claim exists. A search found an abstract of the research that apneos.com claims to have sponsored, but the abstract does not quite match the information apneos.com (and, in turn, this Wikipedia article) list. Perhaps someone who can access the research, "Taft and Pickwick: sleep apnea in the White House" by JG Sotos can update this source with direct information instead of this secondary link to a somewhat incorrect commercial website? Clockster (talk) 09:03, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
The medical section, as I encountered it today, contained several errors. - Taft was said to have chronic belching and flatulence. The cited reference does not say this. - Taft was said to have ordered subordinates to unstick him from a bathtub using butter. The cited book does not contain the word "butter." - Taft was said to consume certain types of food and be dismayed about his reputation as a glutton. The cited reference says only that Taft was dismayed by his bulk and tried to reduce it.
I have, therefore, removed these statements and re-written the "Medical and Weight" section to more closely adhere to the published literature on the subject. Drz1627 (talk) 07:17, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
On the article, it says that Taft was nominated by Harding for President (in actuality, he was obviously nominated to be Chief Justice). Sorry, but I couldn't figure out how to fix this - when I clicked on the Edit tab, the nomination appeared to be in the right place. Can someone correct this?
mrscientistman (talk) 17:36, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
It's a little disturbing that this article is so overwhelmingly sourced to Judith Anderson's biography. I have nothing against Ms Anderson's work, but it's a psychological profile, and such biographies are the most prone to speculation and subjectivity. There are a lot of descriptive words sprinkled throughout the article that give an impression of Taft's personality -- his legalistic inflexibility, his frequent "reluctance", and so forth -- all of which come from Anderson. The result is that the Wikipedia article paints a psychological portrait of Taft which mirrors Anderson's. Iglew (talk) 23:19, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
The article’s introduction states Taft was appointed to the Ohio Supreme Court. That court’s web site does not list him.
The interior of the article says the appointment in 1887 was to the Superior Court of Ohio in Cincinnati. This court is mentioned elsewhere on the web as the 1887 appointment.
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You state that: "none of the Taft biographers call it an assassination attempt". What is your source? You must be reading a different source. The cited source states the following (p.16): "There is evidence, in two independently corroborating reports, of at least one planned assassination attempt. At the El Paso Chamber of Commerce building, just before Taft and Diaz met there, Burnham noticed what he described as a sinister looking man writing in a notebook. He signaled a Texas Ranger, Private C.R. Moore... Moore slipped his arm through the arm of the suspect and Burnham grabbed the wrist. Quickly flipping over his hand, Burnham and Moore discovered that the pencil sticking out between the first and second fingers was a actually the muzzle of a pistol especially designed to be hidden in the palm of the hand. The Texas Ranger report of the incident identified the weapon as a pencil pistol, an assassins weapon.... "A major tragedy -- and international incident -- had in all probability been averted."
The text you deleted satisfied Wikipedia:Verifiability and it was from the most reliable source cited by WP:SOURCE, that is, an academic and peer-reviewed publication. Editing from a neutral point of view (Wikipedia:Neutral point of view) means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without bias, all of the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic -- and this source clearly satisfied this criteria.
I will revert the prior text and it should not be deleted unless there is consensus. If you have additional data to provide, bring it to this talk page for discussion. Ctatkinson (talk) 17:34, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi! I was reading article about Taft in English and then decided to read it quickly in Russian. I found out that Russian version mentions his relation to Pullman strike in Chicago.
Here is what I found in English regarding to what I read in Russian:
Article in English: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Howard_Taft
Article in Russian: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D0%B0%D1%84%D1%82,_%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%8F%D0%BC_%D0%93%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B4
Source of information in Russian mentioned in the article: http://www.childrenpedia.org/8/page459.html
Pullman Strike page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pullman_Strike
I am not sure if this is true facts but at least Russian and English pages are different now.
Can anyone clarify why this fact is not mentioned in English version and is mentioned in Russian one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.100.143.147 (talk) 17:33, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
The FBI was created in 1935. This is factual wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.223.191.70 (talk) 13:44, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
That is in fact incorrect the FBI was formed in 1908 under the name of Bureau of Investigation.- McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 14:12, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
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This article seems not to be in a neutral voice. Like at all. 'Decisive and restraint'? What the heck? 50.136.158.31 (talk) 04:03, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
The fourth chapter of this article would lead readers to see Taft in a rather negative light – and partly from sentences that, while not false, are not encyclopedic:
"Again, due to his results-oriented style, politically he had managed to alienate all sides."
"Nevertheless, in the process Taft passed up yet another opportunity to embolden himself politically through the use of patronage."
"Again displaying his inept administrative leadership, Taft, while not sharing any of Knox's respect for Wilson's ability, deferred to much of Wilson's policy making." AndrewOne (talk) 00:03, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
I have fully understood, for a while, that editors may add scholars' criticism (and that they generally should); in fact, I have done so many times, for pages about films. The problem here is that the sentences are not quotations from historians or scholars. Instead, they appear in the article as though they state facts – even though they have clear hints of POV. Even if an opinion is agreed upon by most historians, the article must read that it is what most historians think, rather than state the argument as fact. Most scholars consider Thomas Jefferson to have been a very good president. An encyclopedic article would not directly state, however, that Jefferson was a very good president. AndrewOne (talk) 06:06, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
Under the subsection Ohio Lawyer and Judge, this article states "It is not clear when Taft met Helen Herron (often called Nellie), but it was no later than 1880, when she mentioned in her diary receiving an invitation to a party from him." However, on the Wikipedia article for Helen, under the section Early Years it states "In 1879, she met William Howard Taft at a bobsledding party in Cincinnati; he was 22 years old, she was 18. He asked her out for the first time in February 1880, but they did not date regularly until 1882." No source is provided for either sentence. So, anyone know which is accurate? The two articles should align. CPAScott (talk) 16:36, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
I know (and I'm sure if you've been a regular contributor to this article then you also know) that Taft was never actually stuck in a bathtub. But it's a widespread myth, with over 150,000 hits on Google — many of which state that he was. This is something which, I strongly feel, needs to be addressed either in this article or in a split-off article ("William Howard Taft bathtub hoax", perhaps?). Any suggestions as to how? DS (talk) 23:26, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
As difficult as it is to prove that something never happened, it seems quite clear that William Howard Taft was never stuck in a bathtub in the White House [...]
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The date of Taft's birth is incorrect in the second paragraph. He was not born in 1919. He was born in 1857.
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Could a kind admin capitalise "chief justice" in the lede? It's a title, and capitalised when first used. It's this bit here -> "In 1921, President Warren G. Harding appointed Taft chief justice, a position in which he served until a month before his death.", which should instead be -> ""In 1921, President Warren G. Harding appointed Taft Chief Justice, a position in which he served until a month before his death."" Thank you kindly! 80.189.168.37 (talk) 17:30, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
Historians use both terms. Dollar Diplomacy by Eugene Trani writes: "the foreign policy followed by the United States... of investment and trade, especially in Latin America and the Far East. ... A concentration on economic opportunities in Latin America and East Asia ..." Stacy A. Cordery Alice: Alice Roosevelt Longworth, from White House Princess to Washington (2008) ch 7 -writes about Roosevelt: "The president wanted to send a high-level delegation to East Asia (the Far East, as it was then styled by Westerners)... Led by Secretary of War William Howard Taft ..." Rjensen (talk) 22:46, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
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Taft served as the U.S. Chief Justice after he was the U.S. President. Yet, the article pushes his presidency above his chief justiceship, indicating that the offices are not equal. A reverse-chronological listing with the Chief Justiceship first would be better.
CJ and POTUS are the heads of their respective branches. Sure, the presidency is usually seen as more powerful, but that is not always the case-- the balance is less clear with Marshall versus Jefferson; Taney versus Buchannan; and Warren versus Eisenhower. The Chief Justice also has life tenure while the president does not. In a race of dullness, Taft's Presidency and Chief Justiceship ended in a photo-finish. Lukacris (talk) 03:12, 8 January 2018 (UTC)Lukacris
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This article contains the text: "According to Coletta, however, Knox was not a good diplomat". But I don't know who or what Coletta is, and Google doesn't help.
The article should explain who or what Coletta is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.168.79 (talk) 08:54, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
Which position is considered to be higher? I know that the office of the President is put on top of the infobox, but does that mean the position is higher than Chief Justice or more notable for Taft? —Wei4Green | 唯绿远大 (talk) 15:35, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
March 4, 1909 – March 4, 1913 Vice President James S. Sherman (1909–1912) None (1912–1913)[a]- "Vice President Sherman died in office. As this was prior to the adoption of the Twenty-Fifth Amendment in 1967, a vacancy in the office of Vice President was not filled until the next ensuing election and inauguration."
Sherman died less than a week before the election. The fact that this was before the Twenty-Fifth Amendment is irrelevant as the Electoral College would soon have met to elect the new Vice President. The 25th Amendment had it existed back then would not have been invoked to fill the vice presidency due to close proximity to the election.
110.33.0.155 (talk) 14:05, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
Here is a suggested addition of a citation of a supporting 1903 news article. This is for the second sentence of the last paragraph of the William_Howard_Taft#Philippine_years section.
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One reason for Roosevelt's action was his desire to neutralize a potential rival for the presidency: Taft's success in the Philippines had not gone unnoticed in the American press.[3] The
I show three versions of the new cite, in addition to the existing Anderson 2000 citation. The first version, with a lengthy quote, probably doesn't fit the current reference style. (see William_Howard_Taft#References) The second version, has a shorter quote, while the third has no quote at all.
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One reason for Roosevelt's action was his desire to neutralize a potential rival for the presidency: Taft's success in the Philippines had not gone unnoticed in the American press.[3][4][5][6]
Taft's popularity in the Phillipines looks to be supported. Here's a suggested insertion.
In January 1903, when Governor Taft's departure seemed likely, Manila residents held a "We want Governor Taft" march and rally.[7]
Lent (talk) 12:44, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
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The general regret of the Filipino people at the possible departure of Governor Taft resulted to-day in a popular demonstration for the purpose of urging the Governor to remain in the islands. The streets of Manila have been placarded with signs saying, "We want Governor Taft," in English, Tagalo and Spanish. A crowd of 8,000 men marched to Malacanan Palace, the Governor's residence, today. Upon reaching the palace speeches were made by representatives of the Federal, Liberal and National parties, in which the Governor was urged to remain. The speakers said Mr. Taft's presence was necessary to preserve order, for the prevention of political disruption and to insure the maintenance of the present policy. The speakers paid personal tributes to the Governor, the crowd cheering its approval. In replying to the addresses Governor Taft said it would not be decided at present whether he would leave the islands or remain until next August.
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The general regret of the Filipino people at the possible departure of Governor Taft resulted to-day in a popular demonstration for the purpose of urging the Governor to remain in the islands. The streets of Manila have been placarded with signs saying, "We want Governor Taft," in English, Tagalo and Spanish. A crowd of 8,000 men marched to Malacanan Palace, the Governor's residence, today. Upon reaching the palace speeches were made by representatives of the Federal, Liberal and National parties, in which the Governor was urged to remain. The speakers said Mr. Taft's presence was necessary to preserve order, for the prevention of political disruption and to insure the maintenance of the present policy. The speakers paid personal tributes to the Governor, the crowd cheering its approval. In replying to the addresses Governor Taft said it would not be decided at present whether he would leave the islands or remain until next August.
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As the Governor's residence has had many spellings, I think the link is helpful. Also a march on the Governor's residence seems a notable event. Lent (talk) 04:52, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
UNder the section regarding the history of President Taft; concerning Nicaruaga, the that should be to Jaun Jose Estrada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Jos%C3%A9_Estrada is instead for some reason given to the football player of later years Juan Estrada. WTF?! lol This is a big mistake. If anyone can fix this, please do so. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:558:6045:96:2875:B710:D12C:2330 (talk) 15:43, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
"In the article it says that when Roosevelt was away Taft was in effect acting President. Wouldn't Vice President Charles Warren Fairbanks have been effect the acting President in Roosevelt's absence. Was Fairbanks absent as well if so the article should make that clear.--The Shadow Treasurer 04:06, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
vice presidents were nobodies before the 1950s. TR trusted Taft and was setting him up for the presidency. Rjensen 04:35, 15 July 2006 (UTC)"
It is immaterial whether vice presidents were nobodies at the time.
The chain of command dictates that Fairbanks as Vice President should have been running things back home whilst Roosevelt was away. 49.3.72.79 (talk) 10:30, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
In theory and legality is what I meant. 49.3.72.79 (talk) 11:31, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
John D. Stevens (born 1951) is an American composer/arranger, tubist, and brass pedagogue. He performs with the Wisconsin Brass Quintet, the brass chamber ensemble in residence at the University of Wisconsin–Madison.--Jarodalien (talk) 10:22, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
Third paragraph for "Civil rights" section, is so... not you Wehwalt, I don't know how to describe but it feels too long and rough, even NPOV (because is long & rough), I think it could use a major cut, just mention he spoke here and there will be fine.--Jarodalien (talk) 08:06, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
"he wrote his brother Horace in 1929", Horace is his younger brother right? I'm asking because in Chinese, younger & older brother is descripted by totally different words.--Jarodalien (talk) 05:45, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
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The first two paragraphs of the section on Civil Rights should be removed. They are incorrect for Taft and refer to Woodrow Wilson, the next President.
How Woodrow Wilson’s racist policies eroded the Black civil service
The Federal Government and Negro Workers Under President Woodrow Wilson
https://www.dol.gov/general/aboutdol/history/shfgpr00 Sjaves (talk) 16:02, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
In August 1920 while living in New Haven, Taft's house was robbed by serial killer Carl Panzram. The stolen goods were used to buy a yacht. A gun among the items taken was used in other crimes. Colonial Computer 05:57, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
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I realize that it's technically true that Taft is the only person to have been both a president and a chief justice of the Supreme Court, but the current phrasing ("the only person to have held both offices") implies--or at least leaves opens the possibility--that other presidents may have gone on to be associate justices of the Supreme Court (not chief justices), which is not true. Is there a clean way to phrase it to remove that implication? --GiantInsects (talk) 01:59, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
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Change: William Howard Taft (September 15, 1857 – March 8, 1930) was the 27th president of the United States (1909–1913) and the tenth chief justice of the United States (1921–1930), the only person to have held both offices.
To: William Howard Taft (September 15, 1857 – March 8, 1930) was an American politician and jurist who served as the 27th president of the United States from 1909 to 1913 and the tenth chief justice of the United States from 1921 to 1930, the only person to have held both offices. EdwardYT (talk) 18:34, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
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Please change the personal details section of the infobox to list Taft's weight during his presidency. Ex-Facto (talk) 02:35, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
(Note, I've never contributed to wikipedia, I apologize if I'm doing this incorrectly) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Howard_Taft#Civil_rights The civil rights section states that William Taft: "A supporter of free immigration, Taft vetoed a bill passed by Congress and supported by labor unions that would have restricted unskilled laborers by imposing a literacy test". However from what it seems, the book cited in this claim is wrong. The only bill I could find is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1917 and it was vetoed by Woodrow Wilson (and even then, still passed). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.106.218.116 (talk) 22:44, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Governor-Director of the Philippines “preceded by” is incorrect. Should be Adna Romanza Chaffee. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.186.0.19 (talk) 07:10, 29 April 2023 (UTC)