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I have removed the words "and convicted fraudster" from the first sentence because I believe it portrays a biased point of view. While it is a fact that she was convicted of fraud, calling her a 'fraudster' has a subjectively negative connotation. Furthermore, her fraud conviction is not one of the most notable things she is known for and therefore hardly justifies mention in the first sentence. I think the mention in the last sentence of the introduction (and of course in the more detailed biography) is sufficient. --Audentis (talk) 14:04, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
The description does not mention that she is a convicted kidnapper either. It would be more balanced if the description of her as an "activist and politician" was expanded to include "murderer, kidnapper and fraudster".Royalcourtier (talk) 03:53, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
More should be written about Winnie Mandela's legacy of Human Rights® and Social Justice® advocacy.
Specifically, it should cover her brave pioneering of the practice of "necklacing"; wrapping a gasoline-soaked rubber tire around the necks of her political opponents and setting it ablaze.
I don't feel their is enough coverage of the multiple charges of murder, kidnapping and torture made against Mandela and the subsequent 1997 trial. It was not only one murder/kidnapping. Please see this article which has it's own bibliography for a summary of this period - [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.72.201.155 (talk) 19:29, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
If Winnie was born in 1936 and met Nelson in 1957, how can she have been 22 when they met? The citations are all there, but either the BBC, the nndb, or The Guardian must be wrong here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.232.93.70 (talk) 11:32, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
More information on her relationship with Mandela is needed. When and how they met, when they were married, ect. - —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.72.142.250 (talk • contribs) 2 October 2005.
Also, there seems to be an error in the 8th paragraph, which states, "damaging revelations about the Seipei incident during the sittings of the national apple pie headed by Archbishop Desmond Tutu." National apple pie? Which event or political party does this refer to? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.213.224.211 (talk • contribs) 18 November 2005.
Wasn't Stompie 16 years old, not 14? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.42.190.101 (talk) 13:53, 19 January 2007 (UTC).
I am trying to expand this article, mainly focusing on the differences between this book and other accounts (books and otherwise) of South Africa throughout this period. Any comments or suggestions are appreciated on the talk page.BillMasen 13:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I thought that she lived in a government-owned housing project. That ain't wealthy. (I live in the USA which "houses the poor" in government-owned housing projects).HeyYallYo 19:48, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Just to let you know this page is outdated if it claims Ms. Mandela is a "former" politician. When talking about the recent ANC's National Executive Committee (NEC) election, the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7156246.stm) claims that, "The ex-wife of former President Nelson Mandela, Winnie Madikizela-Mandela, emerged top in the NEC vote in the northern town of Polokwane, endorsed by 2,845 of the 3,605 delegates. She has not been active in the ANC since 2003, when she was convicted of fraud." Time to update, registered users. Thank you. 124.86.70.119 (talk) 22:16, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Where's the mention of her accused involvement with the brutal murder of 14-year old Stompie Moeketsi? Big news that helped sully her career, yes? Then include it... ---32.144.204.190 (talk) 19:15, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
It was here but it appears to have been whitewashed?!74.74.144.252 (talk) 11:13, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Consideration should be given to presenting information from Mrs. Mandela's point of view. I find it extremely curious that while her husband, Nelson Mandela, was in prison, she kept him in the spotlight of media attention. Yet, soon after he was released, she was conveniently cast aside.
John Paul Parks (talk) 06:35, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
An article on Front Row, UK BBC Radio 4, Saturday 23.01.10 just pointed out that the fact she spent 400 days in solitary confinement isn't even mentioned on the wikipedia page :) Might wanna look into that... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.206.103 (talk) 19:51, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
Her connection to Julius Malema is worth mentioning. --196.2.126.175 (talk) 08:47, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Compared to the white supremacist murderous government that murdered hundreds of thousands in cold blood, deprived the blacks of Africa of liberty, freedom and identity, Winnie is an angel. She kept the flame of freedom alive. She cannot be sullied by the term 'convicted fraudster' and murderer, she lived and was raised amongst white murderous thugs, wearing uniforms and pinstripe suits, killing and torturing millions on daily basis. Compare her with Botha, Ian Smith, De Clerke and others, she is the most innocent of all. His speeches were not controversial, the biased ears of white supremacists were and still are biased. She kept the flame alive, for the so called hero, Nelson Mandela, whose rule has not done anything to change the fabric of life of the black Africans. Soweto and the townships are still the same. So what if a passionate, young woman fulfilled some bodily desires, in secret, while she kept risking life and limb for her husband. She was more loyal to her husband than anyone else could be, even more than himself. Ask all those other woman and men politicians, in washington and London, the John Majors, Kennedys, Schwartzneggers and Edwina Currys of this world, what is it to be living in poverty and oppression, treated less than an animal, beaten, humiliated and murdered with impunity. Once again, such opinions are 'white washing' the life of a great spirit, a great flame for freedom. If mandela were a man, of what the world says he is, he should have stood with his wife, winnie, through thick and thin, as she did, through thick and thin, kept his name alive. Only she did it.
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So poorly written but I'll try improving it FYI bookgirl (talk) 18:15, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
Is there any evidence to back up Mandela's claim that the 2010 interview with Nadira Naipaul was "a fabrication", or is this just another case of the dismissal of inconvenient facts as "fake news"? JezGrove (talk) 23:11, 2 April 2018 (UTC) @JezGrove: Well, if you are trying to prove the opposite of sources then according to your opinion Wikipedia is fake news.--Biografer (talk) 01:37, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
Winnie and Nelson Mandela separated in 1992, before Nelson Mandela became President. Their daughter Zindzi accompanied Nelson at his inauguration in 1994. Winnie never acted as First Lady, even though their divorce was only finalized in 1996. Zaian (talk) 14:30, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
For people who are convicted criminals, there should be a Convicted criminal with the arrest photo, rather than that of the political infobox. What are peoples thoughts. Perhaps we could include both as some other ex-politicians have 132.234.228.144 (talk) 06:36, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
Hello! I am a college student who is working to evaluate articles in Wikipedia. Upon reviewing the article and the guidance Wikipedia puts out for evaluating articles, I am recommending that the lead section be revised for this article. Although it provides a lot of comprehensive information, it does not accurately reflect and summarize all of the contents of the article. According to Wikipedia the lead section should provide a brief description of the various sections of the article and not provide information that is not present elsewhere in the article. Madikizela-Mandela's article goes against both of these things and does not provide an overview of her both negative and positive contributions. Additionally, details regarding both her personal life and criminal proceedings are discussed in the lead section that aren't mentioned later in the article (her own children and the murder of Stompie Seipi). I just think she is a really prominent female political and social leader, and her lead should concisely reflect what is described later in the article and would benefit from being revised for clarity. Sek124 (talk) 20:18, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
Stephen's class gave an assignment why their parents gave them the names that they did later that day at night Stephen ask his father and his father smile at his son you were named after an important South African who helped to change history who dad? asked Stephen.You were named after Stephen Bantu Biko . Steve Biko was an important leader during the apartheid years,' "Said Stephen'father". What did you do , dad? asked Stephen? He believed that we black South Africans after to solve our own problems in our own way.He started an organization and raised money to end apartheid,' Stephen 's father. What happened to him? asked Stephen. Many of us though he would be the next great leader after president Mandela.But he was arrested, and he was killed in prison. He was a great man." Stephen felt very proud to be named after such an important person in South African history 102.219.24.137 (talk) 14:42, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
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