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There seems to be issues with those favoring the additional romanizations for Korean and those that are citing it as vandalism or problems, e.g. WP:OR. These are recognized systems of romanization of Korean. The New Romanization page seems to be very new, and therefore doesn't have all the references yet. The Yale Romanization of Korean page is brief and also needs improvement. However, this does not mean that the template changes with the additional romanizations are unmerited. Those favoring the exclusion of the Yale Romanization & New Romanization seems to be very biased towards the romanization sponsored by the South Korean government. The Yale Romanization and New Romanization are not sponsored by any governments of both North and South Korea. They are used in academia, and thus provide a more rational organization and representation of Korean morphology.Jkrdsr (talk) 15:47, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Per the discussion referenced by Jiang above, an alternate template has been created for North Korean topics in which the order of RR and MR is reversed. It is located at Template:Koreanname north image. -- Visviva 02:01, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
moved to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean)
could someone make a template for koreanruler (with only one name, no birthname)? some ruler articles use the generic koreanname infobox, & hanja should be restored for those with a more specialized template. i feel strongly that hanja should only be included where relevant & helpful to the general english-speaking audience, & hangul should be enough as a local name reference in the vast majority of korea-related articles. it might be a good idea to make a hangul+hanja template to use when necessary, but hanja can always be discussed in the article body in those minority of cases.
i will replace the generic with the ruler template where necessary, though it is a lot of work. since i'm a relative newbie, i'd appreciate someone here quickly making the template, but i will do it myself otherwise. Appleby 05:43, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
please see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean) for a list of Korea-related templates, and use its talk pages for discussion. Appleby 18:32, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
By specifying a width for the first column as well, the second column is able to expand when there is a wider image, so that it's now a minimum of 135 pixels instead of exactly 135 pixels. Also, this modification allows longer captions to wrap at the width of the image. In the previous setup, the whole infobox expanded in width so the caption appeared on one line.
I'm fairly certain that this doesn't have any undesireable side effects. Feel free to revert if it causes problems and then I'll need to make some kind of modifications to Japanese General Government Building, Seoul. Canadiana 04:45, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Having long been annoyed with the need to maintain two separate name tables, ((koreanname)) and ((koreanname north)), I have added a "context" attribute to this template. If the context is set to "north" (or "n" or "nk" or "dprk"), this template will display in the manner of ((koreanname north)) . Otherwise, it will display in the usual way. That means that any implementations of Template:Koreanname north can now be replaced with ((koreanname|context=north|...)).
This will also allow for flexible implementations in the event that Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean) is ever changed to provide for additional contexts. It might in fact be wise to add "context=south" to name tables for South Korean topics, in the event that we ever depart from using SK as the default context. -- Visviva 08:58, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi all,
The image/text field specified by (({image))} can still be used, but should be considered deprecated in favor of a new syntax, (({img))} / (({caption))} / (({width))}. This will eliminate many of the idiosyncrasies in formatting that have occurred with the old syntax, while still allowing a reasonable degree of customization.
In detail:
Old syntax (most common approach):
|image=[[Image:Foo.jpg|thumb|width|caption]]
New syntax:
|img=Foo.jpg
|width=width
|caption=caption
I think this is an improvement, although I'm not likely to rush out and change the hundreds of existing implementations to the new way. Comments welcome. -- Visviva 08:44, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
I've added some code so that now:
This should streamline things a bit, since making a request just requires leaving a field blank, and the request is removed automatically as soon as it is filled. I am puzzled by one thing, though; I feel sure that there are some templates out there with blank "rr" and "mr" fields, but there's nothing in Category:Wikipedia articles needing romanized Korean. Are we really so fortunate, or did I mis-code something? -- Visviva 05:14, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
I noticed how there is Template:Chinese name and Template:Japanese name, both used at the tops of articles where the last name comes first. Is there one for Korean names? Should there be one? SKS2K6 05:59, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Couple of thoughts:
Responses? -- Visviva 05:17, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Are there any objections to a gradual migration of calls to this template to use the alias Template:Infobox Korean name? -- Visviva 05:11, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
The fonts in the hanja and hangul fields are showing up strangely when it says "none," such as at Buldak. Badagnani 06:51, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
ko-Latn
. Using hanja = </span>none
seems to work me. Perhaps it is somehow deprecated in terms of HTML/XML syntax as it does not open a new span, but if there is nothing wrong with using it, please tell me. Wikipeditor 11:03, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
I have rewritten this template - ((User:Edene/Sandboxes/01)). I've also documented what's been changed and included some examples. Please feel free to poke holes and tell me what you think. eDenE 02:33, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I have replace the template with my version. If you find any problems, please revert back to the old one and let me know the problem. Thanks. eDenE 13:00, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
context
parameter. Regarding the order, is there any reason to put mr
first for North Korea? eDenE 23:11, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Okay! I rewrote the template to reduce its complexity. This was a good change, because I could merge ((Koreannames))
into here. I really don't think the new one is more confusing. You might want to compare it with the old Koreannames. Regarding the colour, I proposed this new template on 17th and there were no objections regarding changes. However, there haven't been any discussions or consensus over the new colours (#cbdcff
and #ffcbf0
). Therefore, I'm going to propose colours (including #CCCCFF
) and have a poll to decide which colours to use. Thanks for your comments, Badagnani. For now, I changed the default colour back to #CCF. eDenE 18:39, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Let's stop here. I'm going to propose new sets of 3 colours soon and let people decide which colours to use. Because this template is mainly maintained by WikiProject Korea and new colours will be used for other Korea-related templates as well, the poll will be placed in WT:KOREA page. eDenE 19:07, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Please visit Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Korea#New_colours_for_WikiProject_Korea. eDenE 21:18, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to echo Visviva's suggestion above to rename this template. ((Korean name)) is a completely different template altogether, so it would make sense to give this template a more distinctive name to avoid confusion. If need be, I believe a bot could be used to update articles with the new template name. Any thoughts? PC78 12:50, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I've added fields for "othername1" and "othername2" to the infobox, which allow for up to two extra names that aren't covered by any of the other titles. See Hwang Jin-i and Gu, Prince Imperial Hoeun for a few examples of this new feature in action. I'll update the doc when I get around to it! :) PC78 00:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
The Latin-alphabet fonts for the "hanja" and "hangul" fields are still showing up in some kind of non-standard font (similar to the Latin fonts that come in CJK packages). Please fix this so they show up in the same (standard) font we have the rest of Wikipedia in. Badagnani 19:45, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
This non-standard font can be seen in the "hanja" field of Sujebi. Badagnani 19:48, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Whatever you see, the fonts for the "hangul" and "hanja" fields are showing up as Asian-style Latin fonts (see the two screenshots). This should not happen at WP and this bug needs to be corrected promptly. Similar requests at other Asian templates have been ignored for months.
Badagnani 03:51, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
The other template in which this problem occurs is Template:Zh-s. Badagnani 04:14, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Here's a couple of comparison screenshots from my computer:
Since I don't get the same problem as you, I strongly suspect that this is an external problem. AFAIK there's nothing in the template code that should affect the font style anyway. PC78 13:02, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Great, it looks fine for you. But it needs to work for everyone without showing up as a strange, non-standard, "Asian-style" font. This needs to be addressed and fixed promptly, not waiting months with no response like the other template. Badagnani 18:21, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Six months is way too long for something as simple as this to go unaddressed. If you don't have the programming skills to do so, then your negative comment isn't really helpful. Badagnani 03:50, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
That is an un-Wikipedian comment and attitude. The weirdly showing up font is problematic not just to "me" but to our community and encyclopedia as a whole, as it looks unprofessional. Badagnani (talk) 17:11, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for the super late interruption. However, what Badagnani is experiencing is totally normal. That happens because for that specific region of text, the language setting is set to Korean, and your browser tries to use Korean font. Sorry, but this is not a bug and won't be addressed. eDenE 16:25, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Can these changes please be explained, preferably before they are made? Many thanks. Badagnani (talk) 08:59, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Seconded. Can we please stop making wholesale changes to the template without prior discussion? The changes made may suit some articles, but not others (eg. Bae) where the text is bunched up to the left leaving too much empty space in the rest of the box. PC78 (talk) 00:44, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
could someone make one of these for Japanese names and one for Chinese? It would be very useful. 70.20.76.119 (talk) 17:58, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
The lines (borders) of the box is inconsistent. Some are heavier (the lines are wider) than other. Fix this.68.148.157.170 (talk) 03:34, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
I've updated the sandbox to use the ((infobox)) base class, inspired by PC78 (talk · contribs)'s work in the fork at template:Infobox Korean name/meta conversion. A comparison of old and new is available at the new test cases page.
I'd synced it, but PC78 has undone that, saying that they new code "looks like it's full of bugs". I'm eager to hear about these bugs. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 13:47, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
While I'm waiting for PC78 to officially unveil his reworking of his template, I made the minor adjustment of changing this template to use to default ((infobox)) width of 22em and not 20em. Naturally, PC78 has decided to revert this. As this is a trivial, low-impact conformity change, it should be re-done. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 08:15, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
The new design is rather difficult to read; one needs to squint to read the hangul, while hanja is almost impossible to read at this font size; it is just too small to work. As an example, just try to read this: 我愛食龜肉龢倭麵 - as you can see, this line of characters is just a meaningless blabble of blobs at this font size. The interwiki links to Wiktionary make it even worse: 我愛食龜肉龢倭麵 - and more difficult to read. Since there is no simplified form of Hanja (only Traditional forms), this is certainly the case in many Korean personal names which use the traditional variants of characters, with many being very difficult to read on a screen at such a small font size. Just take a look at Seo Hui, Kim Il-sung, Shin Hye Sung and Choe Bu; you'll see how difficult it is to read the Hanja names. I would like to propose a revert to the old style; although one might argue that it tidies up articles by reducing the space taken up by the template, it aesthetically looks plain ugly to have almost-illegible characters, and perhaps does more ill than benefit on the respective articles. -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email 13:31, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Ban Ki-moon | |
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Hangul | 반기문 |
Hanja | 潘基文 |
Revised Romanization | Ban Gi-mun |
McCune–Reischauer | Pan Kimun |
IPA | [panɡimun] |
Would there be any objections to adding this alongside the existing parameters? Naturally it would be strictly optional, but it would be a worthwhile addition IMO. See example to the right. PC78 (talk) 00:03, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
I agree with this. Lpook at for example Jikji and its discussion page. J hastwo transcripton form to Hungarian and Persian also. It would make translations easier and more properly. --Ksanyi (talk) 09:24, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
In traditional Northeast Asia, there was not the term for "pen name," but now translated as "필명/筆名".
Both ho and ja are courtesy names. Of course, they are slightly different. --Yes0song (talk) 05:43, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
What do people link about adding a "Literal meaning" field to the infobox, similar to the Template:Infobox Chinese? Seems like it would be useful in many situations and would eliminate the need to write the hangul again in the body of the article to explain the literal meaning.
May somebody please add a third context parameter? At the moment, we currently have two: "North" (Chosongul) and "South" (Hangul). However, both of those terms appear to be have been coined within the past hundred years, so a third parameter "Neutral" (Korean) would be useful, to maintain neutrality in articles regarding ancient Korean history, up to and including the Joseon Dynasty. – Illegitimate Barrister, 12:30, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
한강 Revised Romanization Han-gang McCune–Reischauer Han'gang
Pldx1 (talk) 16:58, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
In my browser, the Hanja display incorrectly in this template, as well as in Template:Korean and Template:Infobox settlement. When I insert Template:Lang-ko into the template, the Hanja display correctly. Is the problem only at my end, and if not, can it be fixed? Ardalazzagal (talk) 12:53, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi there, there is an entry called art name that is for the Korean 호. I think the pen name section should be renamed or at least linked to this entry. So that the reader would not think it is just a normal pen name. I will wait for a few days before doings it. Please leave a comment if you have any suggestions. Hahahaha哈 (talk) 03:24, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Could somebody add a field for the meaning of the name to this template? Abductive (reasoning) 07:22, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
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Please add ((subst:Tfm|Infobox Chinese))
to the top of this page (Infobox Korean name), as it is currently being discussed for a merger with Infobox Chinese. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 22:15, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
Cross-link to a discussion I posted at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Korean)#Why are we calling Hangul "Chosŏn'gŭl" in North-Korea-related articles? Please discuss there. – Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:52, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
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Title should be bolded just like every other infobox. Opencooper (talk) 14:49, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Agreed that it should be bolded. In this documentation example, Korean name, Pen name, Birth name, etc is already bolded. Hddty (talk) 05:31, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
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There are 11 instances of:
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Desb42 (talk) 11:22, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
The term for ho (호) in the infobox currently displays "Pen name" but links to art name. Why not just display "art name" too?
My opinion: I don't like the term "pen name" for ho, as "pen name" also corresponds to pilmyeong (필명), which does represent a significant chunk of what hos are, but not everything. They can be names for politicians, for students, for artists, for teachers, the names of buildings to represent people, etc. What's more, since there are separate articles for pen name and art name that have different scopes, using the term interchangably leads to confusion about what article to link for ho.
Admittedly I don't know what RS's commonly translate the term as, although I wouldn't be surprised if it was "pen name"... Although I don't like some common translations for things anyway. toobigtokale (talk) 18:18, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
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Description of suggested change: Change "pen name" to "art name" in display
Reason: see section Template talk:Infobox Korean name#"Pen name" or "Art name"
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− | [[Art | + | [[Art name]] |
toobigtokale (talk) 20:24, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
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Description of suggested change:Investigate "image" vs "img" behavior
For some reason, when I use the "image=" param, the image doesn't show up. It only works when I use "img=". I don't think this is expected behavior, as the default param and documentation gives "image". Can someone investigate why this is happening? toobigtokale (talk) 11:25, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
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Description of suggested change: Add ability to have either or both North Korean or South Korean name (maybe differentiated by "chosungul=", "nkhanja=", and "nkmr=" etc). I'm not sure if we even need Revised Romanization of Korean (RR) for North Korea, but maybe won't hurt to add it anyway? Make it so that at least one of the NK or SK name param is required. (i.e. just NK name is ok, and just SK name is ok). Also, I know it's less than ideal to give preference to the SK terms as default, but North Korean usage is much less common anyway, partially due to less info about it known by the outside and partially due to smaller population toobigtokale (talk) 16:22, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
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Description of suggested change: When infobox is made a child of another infobox, make the headers transparent by default. This is popularly done for many people, and is usually accomplished by setting "transparent" as the header color, but I'd prefer it if we standardized the practice by just making it default. Please discuss if disagree, I just want to get the ball rolling on a discussion toobigtokale (talk) 17:21, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
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Description of suggested change: update template documentation description for all of the "ho" parameters "pen name" -> "art name", as per recent edit
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toobigtokale (talk) 17:27, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
((edit template-protected))
is usually not required for edits to the documentation or categories of templates using a documentation subpage. Use the 'edit' link at the top of the green "Template documentation" box to edit the documentation subpage. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 20:30, 8 October 2023 (UTC)