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Regarding Josh Gottheimer, per WP:COINDESK, Coindesk is not a reliable source, and TheBlock.co appears to be worse in terms or general reliability. Please find and summarize according to sources which are both WP:IS and WP:RS. Thanks. Grayfell (talk) 02:57, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:COINDESK, it's not a reliable source for notability and that it may have conflicts of interest when discussing specific coins. Unless you're suggesting that a sitting member of Congress is not notable or that Gottheimer has a conflict of interest with Coinbase, that's not relevant. I have no reason to believe that Coinbase is not independent of Gottheimer and I would suggest you take it to WP:RSN if you have evidence that there is a conflict between Gottheimer and Coinbase. Dcpoliticaljunkie (talk) 12:02, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added some additional sources, I think a discussion of his position on crypto is warranted but do worry the quoting is excessive. That said, per WP:ABOUTSELF, using his website to ascertain his own position is fine although we probably have WEIGHT issues given how much his article references his own website and House roll call votes... Dcpoliticaljunkie (talk) 12:13, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This over-use of PR is a recurring problem with politicians (and Wikipedia in general). If you can find reliable, independent sources, use those instead of unreliable ones like Coindesk. Grayfell (talk) 18:32, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:COINDESK, while Coindesk is only not suitable for proving notability. It's perfectly fine source absent potential conflicts of interest (ie., as with crypto companies that advertise with them). As I said above: Unless you're suggesting that a sitting member of Congress is not notable or that Gottheimer has a conflict of interest with Coinbase, in which case you can take it to RSN, this is a fine source in this context. Dcpoliticaljunkie (talk) 09:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All sitting members of Congress have many political positions. The way we summarize those positions, and therefor indicate to readers which positions are significant and why they are significant, is via reliable, independent sources. Note that WP:COINDESK is tagged as "generally unreliable" with links to four separate past discussions documenting this consensus. As an unreliable outlet, Coindesk is useless for these purposes. Our goal is to cite reliable independent sources and use those sources to explain to readers why something is significant enough to mention. Adding unreliable sources does not help with that goal. Grayfell (talk) 19:35, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have reviewed the past discussions and respectfully disagree with your characterization. There seems to be disagreement between some editors who argue that it is a reliable source and others who have argued to remove it entirely. It's worth noting that most concerns centered around conflicts of interest with various entities in the crypto space. The most recent close concluding there was "consensus to uphold the consensus from the previous discussion that Coindesk should not be used for notability, and further consensus that it should generally be avoided as a source when possible".

The median opinion, then, would have to be characterized as supporting judicious use and not a blanket determination of unreliable as you seem to believe. As I noted above, we're not arguing notability here and I don't see any reason to believe Coindesk is conflicted when it comes to Gottheimer. Therefore, it is a perfectly fine source for our purposes (although I have no objection to your finding a better source, it is not one that needs to be removed). Dcpoliticaljunkie (talk) 13:27, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]