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Hi -- you'll notice I've reverted your edits. You need to read up on our policies and guidelines to see why. Start with WP:RS - I'm afraid Wyatt is not a reliable source in Wikiedia terms, and although you can use the Bible as a source for what the Bible says, going beyond that is fraught with problems. Dougweller (talk) 15:45, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
There is a discussion about whether or not to delete that article which you created at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph and Imhotep. You are welcome to comment there. If you want to argue for keeping the article, that is the page where you should do so. LadyofShalott 15:10, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Out of curiosity, was this originally written as an academic paper before it was added to Wikipedia? It uses a lot of formal expository writing techniques. I found the article interesting, but I'll admit I think it falls firmly under rules barring original research. Regards. Mattnad (talk) 15:36, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
It comes down to comparison of credentials / achievements etc vs guestimates of dates. The discussion will be profitable.--Drnhawkins (talk) 17:12, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
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This is the only warning you will receive for your disruptive edits. If you vandalize Wikipedia again, as you did to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph and Imhotep, you will be blocked from editing. Dougweller (talk) 15:38, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Does this apply to articles or discussions because some of my comments have been removed or modified or reverted by others in both articles and discussions.
also how can an article be tidied up or improved without altering the comments of others?
I need to have this clarified so that I do not breach the rules or upset you again.
--Drnhawkins (talk) 01:33, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Sir, your recent comments on the page in question will be more likely to have people think ill of you than enhance your cause in any way. I would urge you to cease making such comments. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 16:23, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Sorry about that.
Can you please justify why the Bible cannot be used as a source of information about characters mentioned there in and why it cannot be crossreferenced with other manuscripts and artifacts such as egyptian heiroglypics who may be referring to a character in the Bible. Obviously, it is necessary to quote the Bible when discussing biblical characters, sites and events.
When editing, can I make changes to the comments of others in articles. I suppose it is not fair to do this in a discussion page. Otherwise, how can an article be improved or tidied up?
When is a change considered vandalism and when is it not.
For example, my edits of the article on premillennialism were removed and called vandalism.
--Drnhawkins (talk) 01:53, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I would have liked to be able to extract something useful from your article, but I fear that this is impossible. WP is an encyclopedia, not a home for fringe theories. These will tend to be classified as original research. It is possible within WP to bring forward original ideas, but they need to have in-line citations of reliable sources. WP needs all the editors that it can get, who will undertake constructive work on the encyclopaedia. In dealing with Biblical subjects, you need to ensure that what you write will stand up to criticism from skeptics, and I am afraid that your theory is so offbeat that there is no hope of it doing so. I would suggest that you avoid pious language, which is likely to be like a red rag to a bull. Do not amend what other people have written on talk pages (including Articles for Deletion pages), save possibly to correct minor errors of syntax. Your article was essentially a historical one; this means that the Bible must be treated only as a historical source book, not one that carries the authority of divine inspiration. I write this as an evangelical Christian, who believes in the Bible, though it is difficult to correlate the early parts of it with secular history. This applies particularly to Genesis, whose chronology certainly presents difficulties. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:16, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia currently does not offer any candidate for the Personage of Joseph in Egyptian history and does not offer any explanation for why he did not make it into Egyptian history. It is therefore unfair to call this article a fringe theory. fringe theories. What is more, this article is not original research original research. I am able to quote original sources of quite some depth. In particular, Ronn Wyatt who conducted a lot of research in Egypt on this very issue. Wikipedia has disallowed them because Wikipedia dose not consider Ron Wyatt to be a reliablereliable source. His discoveries are, however, being increasingly recognised, in particular the site of the red sea crossing and the true Mount Sinai in Arabia. His also claimed to have discovered the Ark of the Covenant in 1982. He was accused of fraud because he could not prove it. His reputation suffered as a result. Now the Israelies claim to have it in there possession and the Israel government has allowed the Wyatt team to reopen Ronn Wyatts explanations of the Calvary escarpment. The brown/red material that Ron Wyatt had analysed and was said to be living cellular material with 23 chromosomes turned out to be chiton - most likely of snail origin. He was not fraudulent, he was just wrong about it being blood. Given the nature of archaeology and science, we all make these type of errors. We propose a hypothesis, we test it and if it is reproducible then we keep the hypothesis until it is disproven and replaced with a better one.--Drnhawkins (talk) 01:52, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
From: jo@israntique.org.il
To: jsearcy@connecti.org.il
Cc: Harriet@israntique.org.il
Subject: Re: Ron Wyatt
Dear Mr. Searcy
Mr. Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem. In order to excavate one must have at least a BA in archaeology which he does not possess despite his claims to the contrary. We are aware of his claims which border on the absurd as they have no scientific basis whatsoever nor have they ever been published in a professional journal. They fall into the category of trash which one finds in tabloids such as the National Enquirer, Sun etc. It's amazing that anyone would believe them. Furthermore, he has been thoroughly discredited by various Christian organizations such as Creation Research in Calif. For the latest on his "discoveries" I suggest going into the WWW (use Vista) someone called Tentmaker decided to do an expose of his various claims. Here you will find the truth, which is more amazing that his (RW) fictions.
Shalom
Joe Zias
Curator of Anthropology/Archaeology
Israel Antiquities Authority
POB 586, Jerusalem
Joe also asked for a copy of the blood report, but didn't get one. No one has seen it. Dougweller (talk) 05:18, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
This is response to a long message on my talk page:
Drnhawkins, at this point consensus is leaning toward the deletion of your article. Please do not take this personally. My advice would be to spend some more time editing and learning your way around wikipedia and its policies before attempting to start any more new articles. We are always looking for quality editors ... sometimes it just takes a little while to learn the ropes. Athanasius1 (talk) 17:58, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Your comments and responses from me, intended afterwards.
Sorry about that.
I was disturbed about the comments of other editors that the bible is not a reliable source to clarify historical issues even on Biblical Characters.
Some of the Books of the Bible represent the historical records of Israel for that period (eg first and Second Kings, Chronicals). In fact most books of the Bible contain historical information that can often be varified in non biblical literature. There are not many other books of that vintage that have been preserved so well. The bible is primarily a record of God's dealings with man, in particular, Israel in the Old Testament and the Gospels and the Gentiles in Acts and the Epistles. It contains reliable historical information and discusses places, people and events that are mentioned in non biblical manuscripts and heiroglypics.
Obviously, it is necessary to quote the Bible when discussing biblical characters, sites and events. (should it be a note or a reference?)
I understand that a reliable source is required to support any correlation of Biblical Characters with other Historical material.
When editing, can I make changes to the comments of others in articles. Otherwise, how can an article be improved or tidied up?
I suppose it is not fair to do this in a discussion page. But people did it to me first!
Articles are not meant to be discussions and it is not considered good form to put your name in article anyway.
When is a change considered vandalism and when is it not.
For example, my edits of the article on premillennialism were removed and called vandalism.--Drnhawkins (talk) 02:29, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
My article on Joseph and Imhotep was not original research. It has been suggested by many others, most notably Ronn Wyatt who has conducted considerable research on this topic. Wikipedia does not regard him as a reliable source even though his works are being increasingly recognised (Mt Sinai, red sea crossing at Nuweiba, Gulf Aqaba). Now some Israeli Rabbis claimed to have recovered the ark from tunnels under the temple mount and the Israeli government has allowed the Wyatt team to reopen his excavation of calvary. The red material that was analysed and found to be living cellular material with 24 chomosomes turned out to be Chiton of snail origin - so he did not fabricate his findings - he just concluded wrongly as to what it was. This therefore does not invalidated any of his other work.--Drnhawkins (talk) 02:29, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Can I resubmit the article on Joseph and Imhotep once I have sorted out my references?
--Drnhawkins (talk) 02:29, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia currently does not offer any candidate for the Personage of Joseph in Egyptian history and does not offer any explanation for why he did not make it into Egyptian history. It is therefore unfair to call this article a fringe theory. fringe theories. What is more, this article is not original research original research. I am able to quote original sources of quite some depth. In particular, Ronn Wyatt who conducted a lot of research in Egypt on this very issue. Wikipedia has disallowed them because Wikipedia dose not consider Ron Wyatt to be a reliablereliable source. His discoveries are, however, being increasingly recognised, in particular the site of the red sea crossing and the true Mount Sinai in Arabia. His also claimed to have discovered the Ark of the Covenant in 1982. He was accused of fraud because he could not prove it. His reputation suffered as a result. Now the Israelies claim to have it in there possession and the Israel government has allowed the Wyatt team to reopen Ronn Wyatts explanations of the Calvary escarpment. The brown/red material that Ron Wyatt had analysed and was said to be living cellular material with 23 chromosomes turned out to be chiton - most likely of snail origin. He was not fraudulent, he was just wrong about it being blood. Given the nature of archaeology and science, we all make these type of errors. We propose a hypothesis, we test it and if it is reproducible then we keep the hypothesis until it is disproven and replaced with a better one.--Drnhawkins (talk) 01:52, 30 April 2009 (UTC
Drnhawkins, John carter has provided some good responses to what look like the same comments you posted to my talk page. At the risk of being repitetive, I will post my responses here. First, the conversations about the Bible as a source take two different, yet also important, directions. The Bible is a primary source. Solid research - the sort that could be used in an encyclopedia, comes from secondary sources. Primary sources can be used to supplement the material culled from secondary sources, but drawing one's own conclusions form primary sources is considered to by original synthesis. Secondly, the historicity of the Bible - especially prior to David - is dubious. Very few scholars outside of the community of faith accept Bible as a historical source for anything prior to the United Kingdom. This is not calling the veracity of one's faith into question - rather it is acknowledging that the Bible is written by people of faith for people of faith. In terms of editing other people's words. Yes, within an article we can and should edit one another's work. However - it almost never acceptable to edit another person's comments to a talk page. See the talk page guidelines for more info. In academic terms, I would call Ron Wyatt the definition of a fringe source. That his claims have been roundly rejected by the academic community says something. Not saying that you can't personally believe him - you are certainly entitled to that. However, it is highly unlikely - given the position of his views in the academic community - that his positions would be considered normative on wikipedia. You could do some work on the article in question, and then try again. But, I would discourage you from doing so. As I said in my earlier comment: get to know wikipedia a little better. Spend some time editing other articles. Learn the ropes of policy and community first. Writing a new article that fully meets policy requirements take some knowledge of how things work -- especially when editing topics that overlap with your own faith. Athanasius1 (talk) 14:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi, what are your intentions regarding what you have been developing at User:Drnhawkins/Sandbox/Joseph and Imhotep are the same person? LadyofShalott 03:41, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
I plan to submit it for consideration as an article again. I am proofing the references and making a few improvements but it is close to it's final form. --Drnhawkins (talk) 08:25, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
A tag has been placed on Joseph and Imhotep are the same person, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate, such as at articles for deletion. Under the specified criteria, where an article has substantially identical content to that of an article deleted after debate, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.
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I have nominated Joseph and Imhotep are the same person, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph and Imhotep are the same person. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.
Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. LadyofShalott 15:22, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
I would move a copy of your article to Google Knol, and a copy to Google Sites. The information will be preserved, and have a wide audience. Write me if you need help. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 10:26, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
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Welcome to Wikipedia. We welcome and appreciate your contributions, but we cannot accept original research. Original research also encompasses novel, unpublished syntheses of previously published material. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your information. Thank you. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 13:26, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
The Bible no more supports your theories about Imhotep than it supports the theories of people believe the moon landings were hoaxed. Most people who believe the Bible do not support your theory. Your continued false statements about the Bible and those who believe it that you use to attempt to justify your personal opinions do not change the facts. Edward321 (talk) 14:46, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
The Bible says that Joseph went to Egypt and was appointed by the pharaoh to be in charge of all Egypt. Joseph stored up grain and so saved Egypt. He was able to buy all the land for pharaoh except that of the priest's by selling grain and so the pharaohs became wealthy and the people became his subjects. Pharaoh invited Joseph's family to come and stay in Egypt where they grew to become the nation of Israel over the next 430 years. --Drnhawkins (talk) 15:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
One would expect Joseph to be mentioned in Egyptian history. The Egyptians, however, knew him as Imhotep.--Drnhawkins (talk) 15:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
This article presents the evidence to say that the Joseph of the Bible is the Imhotep of Egyptian history.--Drnhawkins (talk) 15:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
I have not said that the Bible identifies Imhotep as Joseph.--Drnhawkins (talk) 15:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
What I have said is that if Joseph was Imhotep, Egyptian history would be consistent with the Bible.--Drnhawkins (talk) 15:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
YOU AND AND THE WIKIPEDIA ADMINISTRATORS just do not like me quoting the BIBLE - full stop.--Drnhawkins (talk) 18:01, 1 June 2009 (UTC) NO, I do not admit this. You must be crazy if you think I could write an article like Joseph and Imhotep are the same person without quoting the BIBLE. --Drnhawkins (talk) 18:01, 1 June 2009 (UTC) What the Bible says is crucial to establishing this.--Drnhawkins (talk) 18:01, 1 June 2009 (UTC) The profile of Joseph given by the Bible is critical to the arguement. The estimated dates of Joseph calculated from the Bible are also critical. If the Bible did not support this theory then there would be no point having this article. The fact is the dates of Joseph calculated from the Bible and the Profile of Joseph in the Bible are quite consistent with what we know about Imhotep from Egytian history. What is more, the modern understanding of the Egyptian dynasties chronology also matches the Bible and can no longer be used as an objection to the theory that Joseph was known by the Egyptians as Imhotep!!--Drnhawkins (talk) 18:01, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Where do you say Jospeh fits into Egyptian history? Which Pharaoh did he serve? If Imhotep was not Joseph, what archaeological evidence is there for Joseph and the Israelites in Egypt? I hope that you are not one of those people who think he was fictional. If you cannot find any evidence that he existed, why do you think that this is the case? --Drnhawkins (talk) 01:11, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
If the two men were contemporaneous, there is more than enough evidence to prove that they were the same person. The profile of imhotep and Jospeh match very well. And there were only so many non royal second in charge visors who saved egypt from a 7 year famine by interpreting Pharaohs dreams in the name of God, lived till the age of 110, imposed a 20% tax and brought up all the land of Egypt for Pharaoh.--Drnhawkins (talk) 01:17, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Imhotep was the High Priest of Heliopolis. Jospeh married the daughter of the priest of On (the capital of Heliopolis)!--Drnhawkins (talk) 02:07, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Circumcision did not become common practice in Egypt until the third dynasty!--Drnhawkins (talk) 02:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
The comment below this was written by John Carter 'the lead coordinator of the Christianity WikiProject'.--Drnhawkins (talk) 18:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
I am currently the lead coordinator of the Christianity WikiProject. I dare to say that I am more than a little informed on the subject. I also took as my major in college archaeology, specializing in Middle Eastern archaeology, with a minor in history of religions. Like I said on either the AfD page or the now deleted article talk page, the fairly universal academic view of the subject of Joseph is that he either never existed at all or was somehow a conflation of various other stories and or people.
That does not however mean that there is no place for alternative views in wikipedia. There is. However, those alternate views have to meet the same requirements of WP:VERIFIABILITY, WP:RELIABILITY, and WP:NOTABILITY as all other articles. If you have not already read the three pages linked to here, please do so now, because any article and content to be introduced has to meet those criteria. Why are they required? I think the answer to that is fairly simple. As a European, you may not be as familiar with the various conspiracy theories regarding the assassination of John F. Kennedy as I, as a citizen of the United States, am. But, basically, trust me, somewhere on the web, virtually every person of even moderate notability who was alive at the time, and several other people as well, are thought to be the second gunman. I think you can understand that we can't have articles in what is designed to be an encyclopedia on every basically non-notable web site that alleges any given person is that second gunman. Just like in any other encyclopedia, all of our information has to be reflect that of reliable sources elsewhere and has to be written in accord with the expectations of most readers regarding what an encyclopedia article would look like. The Bible, particularly the Old Testament prior to David, is not today considered to be an at all reliable source.
I do however note that there is comparatively little content on wikipedia relating to the concept of biblical inerrancy and the associated historical ideas. Part of this may be due to the fact that there isn't much information out there from reliable sources to establish notability and verifiability. However, I personally, as well as several others, would probably welcome content that meets wikipedia guidelines regarding that subject.
If I were in your position, by which I mean wanting to add content regarding theories based at least in part on the concept of biblical inerrancy, what I might try to do is find some books on the subject from a reliable publisher, preferably a university press like Harvard or Oxford, although a major publisher something like Doubleday would work as well, and add whatever content can be determined to be notable based on those sources to relevant articles. Most of the existing content on that subject can be found in the Category:Christian fundamentalism or its subcategories. Also, you might seek help from other editors who work extensively with ideas which are out of the academic mainstream. The best such group out there right now is Wikipedia:WikiProject Alternative Views, although Wikipedia:WikiProject Bible might be of limited use as well. That project unfortunately is not particularly active. Once you find the required sources mentioned above, then add the relevant content to whatever articles are most appropriate, or start other articles if the given subject meets the notability requirements linked to above, and maybe ask for some help from the members of the Alternative views project on how to construct articles on such non-mainstream ideas. That would probably be the best way to go from here. John Carter (talk) 14:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
What hope have we got on wikipedia if you are the administrator/co-ordinator for Christianity on Wikipedia??--Drnhawkins (talk) 18:07, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Just to make sure you are not laboring under a misapprehension: adding links to online Bible verses will not make your article more acceptable for inclusion in Wikipedia. LadyofShalott 03:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Just thought that you might like to know that you would probably be very well served if you were to make some contributions to the encyclopedia, as opposed to just your userspace articles. I see from your contribution record that you have really only contributed to Imhotep, in contributions which have, I believe, all been deleted, Prewrath, about a dozen total, and Premillennialism, once. It might reasonably be possible that someone so inclined might decide to nominate for deletion User:Drnhawkins/Sandbox, User:Drnhawkins/Sandbox/Joseph, and User:Drnhawkins/Sandbox/Archives/Joseph and Imhotep are the same person, based on the fact that you have made few contributions that have been kept in main article space and seem to be, basically, almost exclusively interested in this one topic, which has repeatedly been found to be, at least in the forms yet created, unacceptable by wikipedia standards. I would urge you to make some meaningful contributions to the mainspace article pages, should you not want such a development to take place. I would once again urge you to contact the WikiProject Alternative Views and seek some input on what extant articles there are on the subject and how you can most effectively develop them. Alternately, I believe that the people at Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine are always interested in adding new editors with a real knowledge of the subject. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 15:45, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
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User:Drnhawkins/Moses and the Israelites served Amenemhet III during the 12th dynasty of Egypt, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Drnhawkins/Moses and the Israelites served Amenemhet III during the 12th dynasty of Egypt and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Drnhawkins/Moses and the Israelites served Amenemhet III during the 12th dynasty of Egypt during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. LadyofShalott 02:47, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
I have proposed a community ban at WP:AN#Proposed community ban of User:Drnhawkins Dougweller (talk) 12:55, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
What solution can you offer that allows some discussion (in main space) about who was the Pharaoh contemporary with Abraham, Joseph, Moses (and also the Isralites who were in Egypt for 430 years and grew from 70 to 2 million in that time). I understand about what you say about original research and reliable sources but your policies put Christianity at a disadvantage because you do not accept the Bible as a reliable source of Historical information.--Drnhawkins (talk) 14:50, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Hello, Drnhawkins. Please be aware that a user conduct request for comment has been filed concerning your conduct on Wikipedia. The RFC entry is located at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Drnhawkins, where you may want to participate. Dougweller (talk) 14:48, 28 July 2011 (UTC) . Dougweller (talk) 14:48, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
I don't see that you have been notified of this discussion, and I thought you should be. LadyofShalott 02:24, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
This edit [1] is presumably yours but it isn't signed. Without being signed it probably doesn't belong where it is as it looks as though it's from someone else. Dougweller (talk) 09:26, 31 July 2011 (UTC) yes, I didn't realize I was logged out I will go back and sign it--Drnhawkins (talk) 10:44, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
Just to note that you should also read and use the talk page, eg I've responded to your last edit there. Dougweller (talk) 10:34, 31 July 2011 (UTC)