Thank you Gerda. I am still a newbie so i will definitely ask for help! I am mainly interested in classical music. I joined because i want to create a new article "List of of burial places of classical music notable figures" ... but i'm trying in sandbox and working with tables is pretty complicated!
the title "List of of burial places of classical music notable figures" is hard to parse. I would just go with "List of burial places for classical musicians". Conductors, composers, instrumentalists are all included under "classical musicians". In addition, you don't want the "notable figures" since Wikipedia lists of people are implied to only include notable figures to begin with
Try to avoid Find a Grave as mush as possible; it's not a reliable source for Wikipedia purposes
With images in tables I'd avoid the "thumb parameter", just do [[File:NAME|center|200px]] or a similar px size, as long as its consistent
Definitely sort by last name, not first name! See ((Sortname)) for a way to do that
Nice to see your name on my watchlist. Please explain your criteria for adding a template that there's more to be translated in the native language. I never use top templates because I believe they distract from the content, but understand some. This one makes sense in cases I often observe: a stub of two sentences just to avoid a red link. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:37, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I reverted a few, but have no time for more. Schütz from Norwegian, but Diabelli from German even looks a bit absurd, and missing references seems by far the bigger problem. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:45, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have looked at Tullio Serafin, called to translate from Greek, where he has just a stub! I have no time revert to revert that nonsense, please do it yourself. Wikipedia has problems, and missing translation is a minor one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:33, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Having looked at your sandbox, it seems like you personally want to expand some. That's fine, but there's really no need to put a template for all on the articles. Please remove them. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:37, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Gerda,
My approach has been as follows:
1) Identify articles that are underdeveloped or of below-average quality.
2) Check if in other languages the article is considerably more developed. I found that it does not necessarily have to be in the native language of the subject (see Josef Strauss and it's Japanese version)
I understand too that top templates are a bit distracting, sorry if it caused any incovenience.
I plan to work on improving some of them, but i also wanted to tag them so that the community was aware of the opportunity for improvement.
What would be a more appropiate way to do that? I'll revert the tags myself if they seem excessive in some cases.
Maybe:
-Use template only if the non-english article is much more developed AND is in the native language of the subject.
-For the other cases, perhaps just add a topic on the talk page of the article informing of the situation. Maybe also list this articles somewhere in Wikipedia:WikiProject Composers (if it's a composer) although I'm not sure where the most suitable place would be...
Thank you for explaining. In some sense, all our articles are works in progress, and that is understood without tagging and listing. If I was you, I'd not top-tag any of them. A talk page note seems better, and/or a note on Classical music, - if you think something is needed at all. You could just silently expand what you think is missing. To expect the average reader to translate from Japanese looks strange to me, and to send them to a Greek stub for an Italian person whose English article is not bad even more so. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:45, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi Silence of Järvenpää, thank you for thanking me for thanking you :)
Our paths never crossed because I just started editing wikipedia a few months ago. I plan on keep editing whenever I have time, I didn't think it would be this much fun! Regards Gor1995𝄞19:45, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WOW! Welcome! It is a blast, isn't it? And it seems like you've already met @Aza24: and @Gerda Arendt:, each of whom has taught me so much! I do indeed wish I had had the fortune to meet them in my first few months, but better late than never! ~ Silence of Järvenpää23:05, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't disputing that the section needed a citation, but putting the (( character at the start of the paragraph was causing the text to display with lines in between. I've moved the (( character to the end. Alternatively, much or even all of the paragraph could be removed as it seems a bit speculative. merlinVtwelve (talk) 20:35, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I totally agree with you, that paragraph is a bit of a mess...
That's how Template:Citation needed span works though: " [...] Unlike the template ((citation needed)), this template attaches explicitly to a portion of text, for example one or more specific sentences, by surrounding the text with the template. This is especially useful for flagging a block of multiple facts or multiple sentences as needing citation..."
I agree with you that the format was a bit disruptive... I edited the page once again to apply the proper template. Regards -- Gor1995𝄞21:26, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I found a source for him performing at Beethoven's memorial. I'll see if anything else can be sourced. I took out the 'self-confidence' sentence for now. Seems like someone's speculation, unless it can be sourced somehow. merlinVtwelve (talk) 21:57, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Gor1995, once again many thanks for the inspiration from your list of burial places of classical musicians! When I took the picture of Joan Sutherland's grave at Clarens cemetery the other day, I also made photos of other graves of prominent folks. Amongst them were the ones of Joseph Szigeti and his son-in-law Nikita Magaloff, who no doubt would qualify for the list with regard to their prominence. However, I think I am not good at creating new slots in the table and therefore appreciate if you were willing to do that. I remember that I have also taken photos of graves of other prominent classical musicians in Switzerland and beyond, which should likewise qualify and I could alert you to. Best regards, RomanDeckert (talk) 17:54, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Roman! I’d be more than happy to help add Szigeti and Magaloff to the list. Please do share any other photos or names you think should be included. Your contributions are incredibly valuable and greatly appreciated. Regards -- Gor1995𝄞22:42, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your thanks! The bust was frightful but the enlarged 1926 image isn't great and I hope you or another editor can find a better free image. (If only mobile phones with cameras had existed when I encountered Walton in the audience at the Festival Hall on 4 July 1976, he immaculate in white tuxedo but rather less slim than in 1926.) Tim riley talk14:07, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I'll keep an eye out for a better-quality image... Also thanks for the subsequent improvements of the article and for sharing the anecdote about the encounter! I imagine it must have been memorable seeing him in person. -- Gor1995𝄞14:18, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The template (((Composers by era))) was overlapping with the Overview section, making less space for the image and forcing the user to scroll horizontally a lot to see the full timeline. I just thought this was more accessible for the reader, even though i agree with you that the extra blank space is not very nice. One option could be to expand the lead section so that blank space dissapears. If you think that the blank space is not worth fixing the overlapping issue, feel free to delete ((Clear)) and leave it as it was before. Thanks — Gor1995𝄞16:49, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, it is a small change and the problem is not about being bold, it's that all 3 options have a slight disadvantage. However since a decision has to be made I think we should bring it back to the way it was (without the space) for two reasons:
1) I read somewhere that if a decision can't be made, you should go with the conservative side (meaning leaving it the way it was before the edit)
2) Users seeing it not cut off can be overwhelmed by seeing so many of these names at once
I am considering creating a wiki project dedicated to improving the quality for the articles of Bach, Mozart, and Beethoven.
They are major figures in history who have significantly influenced music. They are also the most well known composers, meaning getting other people to join the project probably won't be impossible.
Their articles are good, but could certainly be better, mainly when it comes to citations, phrasing, and objectivity.
If I were to create this project, would you be interested in joining? You don't have to make heavy edits, just helping out a little here and there would be enough.
Hi, thank you for considering me, but at this moment I must decline the invitation. Currently I'm not looking to engage in expanding specific articles. I contribute to Wikipedia whenever I have the available time and interest, and that changes a lot from time to time. When i do, i mainly patrol changes in some classical music articles and sometimes i create new ones that i'm interested in.
I do think that the quality of most of the articles about composers is unfortunate. It's also weird how some lesser known composers (like Berlioz) have great articles while the biggest composers (Mozart, beethoven, bach, etc.) are often missing citations and are worded in an argumentative / opinionated way.
But I suppose you're right, going on to these bigger projects and asking for help about one person at a time may be a better option, hopefully enough people will help. Cheers to you too. Wikieditor662 (talk) 14:38, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]