May 2006
Thanks for noticing. Contrary to what some believe, I am just humbly trying to keep the articles NPOV. I delete POV from both Right and Left and from both activists on both sides of the debate. I am not an activist nor involved in the debate at all. As for your counter-argument regarding "illegal" and "unauthorized" on the "Great American Boycott" talk page, I read it through once and am still trying to digest all of it (I usally try to take Sundays off and avoid editing). I'll respond tomorrow (although by the self-description and picture on your User Page, I'm assuming you'll be out protesting tomorrow).--WilliamThweatt 02:04, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
I've read the Lou Dobbs article myself. IF you're a illegal alien, what he calls a 5th column member, then he HATES you. Should CNN fire this guy ? Martial Law 01:22, 2 May 2006 (UTC) :)
Of course if they do, cancel his shows, he'll go to FOX News,another rival, then state that he got tossed by "liberal idiots" for "political reasons". Martial Law 01:34, 2 May 2006 (UTC) :)
Good luck fixing that thing. You got a lot of work to do. I don't have time to help tonight. We tried to keep the POV and soapboxing out, but it was crazy, it was all I could do just to keep out the blatant page blanking, hate-group website links and outright Nazi vulgarities (and the obvious replies by the extremes on the other side). I even tried to get an admin to protect or semi-protect the page twice, but they refused because it was a current event. Anyway, good luck.--WilliamThweatt 03:18, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
For the third (fourth?) time today, i agree with WilliamThweatt. Anything you do to make the article better will probably be deleted by BillyTFried, who has decided to block all attempts to change anything he has done in the article or changed by all the people who believe that their personal beliefs should be in this article. Good luck. dposse 03:52, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
I saw in the GAB talk page that you are tired and sore. How was the boycott? dposse 04:07, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Hispanos Unidos, No Seran Vencidos. Que Viva La Raza! Tony the Marine 04:27, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
I went to revert a bad edit to El Plan Espiritual de Aztlán and found you'd beat me to it. Great American Boycott is looking good - highly sourced and tightly-written. Let's remember, of course, that an encyclopedia is the last source that has to report, not the first. Cheers, -Will Beback 10:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
What do you know about bringing people to justice? John wesley 18:51, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
The explanation is adequate. Local reactions are that the people are oiling and fixing old weapons, getting ammo, buying powerful "hunting rifles". They have seen the signs on the news outlets, such as "Whites get out !!" and some about "Killing Gringos". I hope the weapons prepreations are incorrect. FOX News, CNN, other news outlets carried coverage of the demonstrations, and some of the news cameras got some good shots of the mentioned offending matter, which is causing concerns of weapons prepreations in some areas of the US. There are private armies all over the US that have been around since the Clinton Administration, and it is a good bet that they are preparing for WAR. Your state has one or more of these private armies. In fact, all of the states in the U.S. has these private armies in them, some are well known, some not so well known. Wikipedia also has a pix or two of these signs. I'm in a extremely conservative area. Martial Law 21:32, 2 May 2006 (UTC) :)
Some of these armies claim that there will be war in the U.S., a Civil War II. Only stating pure logic concerning some offensive material seen on the news outlets during the recent, possibly still ongoing demonstrations. While I was in New Mexico myself, I bacame aware of The Minutemen, as in militia, not the current organization, and while I was in Arizona, I became aware of a militia group called "The Knights Of The Confederacy", a organization formed in the nearby Arizona State Prisons. They have Nazi related protocol. I am no longer in that area. Martial Law 21:48, 2 May 2006 (UTC) :)
You don't tell the media that you're preparing for war. As stated, I'm in a extremely conservative area. I too hate rumors. that is one reason I investigate these and other rumors, to terminate them. Martial Law 21:52, 2 May 2006 (UTC) :)
Hey vato. Just wanted to say "strong work", on keeping on top of all the stuff that was going on in the GAB article. Murcielago
Should I place this on the immigration protest articles ? A riot was reported during the protest denonstrations. Link is Riot Reported During The May 1, 2006 Demonstrations Martial Law 23:49, 2 May 2006 (UTC) :)
Hi Rockero! I just wanted to give you a big brotherly hug. You made me proud by paticipating on the May 1 march, the Great American March.
Due to things off my hands, (appointments, car broken, my neighbor is not legal so she chose not to go because Arpaio allegedly threatened to arrest illegals, only small groups gathered here) and just plain bad luck I wasn;'t able to march but I protested too, wearing White that day and resisting my ever attacking urges to shop and shop, which are like the munchies to me. Today Im already looking forward to what Im gonna buy tonight..lol!!
Anyways, banderas arriba!! We gotta peacefully fight the racists, show them we are here to stay. Spain's and Chile's consulate urged their citizens to protest, and I saw Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, Chilean, Venezuelan and Salvadorean flags on the march when I looked at the news. Aquel vato from Walkout! said "what a beautiful day to be a Chicano!" I kept thinking about those words on May 1, what a beautiful day to be Hispano.
Im getting a book, Growing up Chicano...have you read it? How good is it? I want to get the entire Hispanic experience in me, not just the Puerto Rican-Caribbean Hispanic experience and to be honest if it was Growing up Bolivian or Spainard Id buy it too, but I cant wait til I read this book Growing up Chicano.
By the way, Feliz 5 de Mayo!
Thanks and Dios te bendiga!
Your hermano in raza, Antonio Barbie and the Rockers Martin
Someone changed the CNN ref at the bottom, but I don't know how to fix it.
---> 20:30, 4 May 2006 138.163.0.42
BillyTFried 21:19, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
hey rockero. I think it is a good idea to have the infomation that the ACLU gave legal and civil rights advice and pamphlets to the people who were protesting in the Boycott article. Where do you think that infomation should go? My personal opinion is it should go in the same place where we put the AFL-CIO and ANSWER infomation. dposse 21:35, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion, and I appreciate your politeness. I was, however, only expressing my hesitation on the issue, not looking to Wikipedia for determining a stance. For some reason, after seeing alot of heated debate in the discussion, I felt like someone needed to put the idea out that there exists a position in-between both sides. I doubt my local library would have news on the issue, as I am in Hicksville. I do appreciate the well-written and informative article, however, and my suggestion was purely that: a suggestion. You don't have to include information on why white was worn in the article. Thanks again, Jakswa 02:57, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
How do you feel about the article on El Gran Paro Americano? BillyTFried 19:08, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Fantastic, so now you are an administrator! I would have come earlier, but could not on account of my sickness from 3rd April to 24th April 2006 resulting into my wiki-absence. I convey my congratulations to you on your elevation as an administrator, and wish you all the best! Have you ever seen me around? I am just curious! --Bhadani 15:17, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
I just wanted to share this with a friend. I had nothing better to do so I did the following; Check it out:Famous people who have met the Marine. Tony the Marine 02:53, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Rockero, thanks for the kind words on the article. I came across Sigüenza in the course of writing a series of articles on viceroys of New Spain. He definitely seemed like someone who deserved an article in an encyclopedia with a million articles, so I read up a little on him. It sounds like you have some more information to add. I'd love to see it.
I agree that English Wikipedia needs much more information on Mexico and Mexicans. Probably on Chicanos, too, but that's not something I can contribute to. I have some good Spanish-language books, and I think I can add quite a few short Mexican articles. Anyway, I'm going to try.
Rbraunwa 20:20, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Rockero, I thought you might be interested in this new article I just uploaded: Lorenzo Boturini Bernaducci (because of its Virgen de Guadalupe connection). Rbraunwa 18:02, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
You seem to be the natural guy to ask about this. I was just by the Tlatelolco massacre page and was going to put it in the NorthAmNative tables, but didn't know where; should it be in the history/anthropology table, or in the Mexico table? Or should there be Mexico tables for personalities, organizations/groups, languages (as separate from groups) and events/battles/issues? e.g. Tlatelolco massacre, Zapatista, Benito Juarez all strike me as having Indigenous content; maybe not Tlatlelolco so much cultural as political...or in Mexico can there even be a difference? Because wasn't the 1968 event located there because of its indigenous-history importance? I'm also wondering about pre-Columbian personalities; surely Cuauhtemoc and Moctezuma and Nezahualcoyotl should all be in the leaders' table, no? Your thoughts?Skookum1 07:13, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Please explain what I did wrong. I don't understand.--69.239.25.46 05:48, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
the myspace link you gave me was messed up. it sent me to my blog. dposse 00:44, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the compliments on the CCC page. I have never heard of the college you mention, but it sounds interesting. Unfortunately, it seems that the poet in question is all but lost to history. The only thing I can hope is that someone who sees the page knows what his name is and then tells us. -- Andrew Parodi 08:31, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Hey Rockero. I hate to stir things up with the angel again, but thought you may want to merge Gran Marcha with your work on GAB. Gran Marcha's not a bad article, but it's basically a stub that would work well in GAB. Murcielago 04:16, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Rockero. Thanks for the note. The article titles on the viceroys are not mine. My preference would be to make the article title the man's name, without any of his titles, and that's the way I originally uploaded them. However, Gryffindor contacted me, and we had some discussions about consistency with other projects. (I don't think there's much, but he is working on it with some other people.) He is also working on translating the Spanish titles into English, but slowly and cautiously. I'm a lot more interested in the content than the exact title, so I'm not taking much of a part in this. But perhaps you should contact him and let him know your thoughts. --Rbraunwa 20:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
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Greetings Rockero. In response to your question about merging La Gran March with the 2006 Immigration Protests. I believe it is best to keep it seperate. While LGM is certainly a subarticle of that group of protests, the sheer size of it earns it a special distiction. What in your opinion needs to be added to the LGM? I'm pretty new to wiki and learning the basics.--digitalronin
Thanks for your efforts! ++Lar: t/c 02:59, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Thank you so much for suggesting who the poet is. I did some searches, and I am 99.9% certain that the poet is Alurista. Compare:
The picture of the Colegio poetry reading:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2b/Colegiopoetryreading3.jpg
A recent picture of Alurista:
http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/08.05.99/gifs/aztlan2-9931.jpg
I have higher resolution scans of those pictures, which I will share with you tomorrow. In the mean time, THANK YOU so much for suggesting thing! I had always wanted to know that poet's name, but didn't think I'd ever find out who it is. -- Andrew Parodi 06:35, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
User HenryMark is a persistent and obsessive vandal. If you know any administrators, ask for him to be temporaliry banned rather than bother constantly reverting his edits on the Latino article--Burgas00 19:00, 24 May 2006 (UTC).
Hi Rockero,
I just uploaded the article Francisco Javier Clavijero, but I had a little trouble with some translation. It is based almost entirely on the Spanish Wikipedia article of the same name. I wonder if you would have time to look at the two articles and verify a little of the translation?
I have never included anything in which I wasn't sure of the translation, until now. But this article has a couple of quotations. The older Spanish is a little different from what I'm used to, and anyway, I can't resort to my usual technique of careful English wording to omit anything I'm not sure of, because these are quotations. Would you be able to review the indented quotations? There are only three, and they are short.
Sorry to ask this. If you don't want to do it, no problem. I'll go back and remove what I'm not sure of, because I have no intention of passing it off as fact. If you do look them over and see some changes that need to be made, go ahead and make them. You don't need to contact me about it.
Thanks. Rbraunwa 17:41, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
There is a proposal for a 3rd LA-area meetup at Philippe's on Saturday, 24 June 2006. If you are interested in another meetup, please visit the proposal and comment on the date and location. BlankVerse 08:30, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Rockero, maybe your roots are from Spain but are not from Euzkadi. To your knowledge, the Basque surnames are not accented. The Basque people do not use such accent and doing a light watch on a few basque surnames you will realize what I mean. Thus, you can see it at my homepage: http://club.telepolis.com/otermin/index.htm Currently I'm editing an article, related to my ancestor Don Antonio, which you can find at: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otermin
In case you are willing to continue writing about Don Antonio, we can share each other the sources so we could write an accurate history. Do you agree? In case you wish to do so, my personal e-mail account is otermin@gmail.com.
Kind regards --Otermin 22:42, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
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Just do it on my discussion page. -- Dark Tichondrias
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Thank you for helping out with the Latino template. What do you think should be the image at the top of the template? And, what colors do you think should be used?--JuanMuslim 1m 20:45, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Rockero:
The article looks great. I'm really impressed. It seems to have happened overnight. About pictures, I added one picture from the Colegio reading to the Alurista page, placing it under the "poetry and activism" section. That photograph is from my own personal collection, and I have released the rights to it, so it is a "free" image. The downside is that, admittedly, the quality of the picture is not as good as several of the other copyrighted pictures available online. But I understand Wikipedia prefers free images whenever possible, and the Colegio picture depicts Alurista giving a reading at the first four-year Chicano college in the nation, which places him in a historical context and will probably help to squash any of that talk about him not being notable.
Take care,
Andrew -- Andrew Parodi 22:53, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I think the questions of colors and images are secondary at this point. Right now we should be trying to determine whether or not the template is merited. Are there enough articles to add into it to make it useful? What articles should it be placed on? What benefit will it provide to readers of the encyclopedia? What are its parameters? Will it apply to all of Latin America or just Latinos in the United States? These are the questions we should be discussing right now. And to be frank, it doesn't seem like it will do much good at this point. Once the parameters are determined, then we can get started on writing articles that pertain to Latinos as a whole. The template should be like a finishing touch to enhance to a body of articles, not an outline to determine what needs to be written.--Rockero 20:53, 31 May 2006 (UTC)