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(I apologize. I let this message get really long. Tldr Should The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald even have an “In Popular Culture Section” to begin with?)
Vigilantcosmicpenguin, Thank you for your edits on The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald. Most of them were reasonable and significantly streamlined the article.
However, I have mixed feelings on the removal of Xkcd from the “In Popular Culture” section. For one, the reference not removed was rather obscure - when I search for the parody, there are few secondary sources on it. In fact, the album it is one does not have a page on the wiki. Additionally, I do not totally agree with your appraisal of Xkcd as obscure - there are many secondary sources on it, and Wikipedia itself has multiple articles covering it.
However, I somewhat agree with your removal of Xkcd on different grounds. Due to the vast subject matter of the web comic, its frequent direct mention of Wikipedia, and its shared computer-literate audience with many amateur Wikipedia editors (including myself), it can cause problems with article quality (see Wikipedia:Xkcd in popular culture for a more in-depth explanation of the problem and why I might agree with your removal).
At the same time, the article’s “In Popular Culture” section is very short. This leaves me with two possible conclusions for what would result in the best article.
The first would be to return the Xkcd mention. I feel that due to the short “In Popular Culture” section and the overall relatively brief length of the article, returning the reference would not hurt the article. If this were another article (of which plenty of examples are provided in that article I linked), I would say no, but in this case, the song itself is a part of popular culture and has few other examples, running little risk of an “In Popular Culture Section” getting too long and making the article convoluted.
The second, and perhaps more reasonable solution, is to wonder whether the article even needs an “In Popular Culture Section” in the first place. The other reference is very obscure, and from what I can tell, most other articles on major (a.k.a #1 charting or otherwise notable) singles (e.g Dancing Queen, Indiana Wants Me) even have this section or anything similar except for very good reasons; the closest I can find is the “Legacy” section in Never Gonna Give You Up, which itself is just a brief overview of Rickrolling that links to the dedicated article. As much as I love Xkcd personally and would love to have both references, I’m not sure there’s a reason for the article on “The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald” to have an “In Popular Culture” section at all.
Anyhow, thank you for your time. I apologize for this long-winded message. I just felt I should err on the side of etiquette and discuss this with you, as I didn’t feel it would be right for me to romp straight over your edits without a word.
Have a wonderful evening.
Respectfully, Dexcube Dexcube (talk) 01:45, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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