The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. There is no consensus about whether this meets the relevant notability/inclusion guidelines/policy. In 3-6 (or more) months it may be more clear about whether the sourcing supports this as an independent topic. Barkeep49 (talk) 00:14, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2020 Cyberattacks on the Miami-Dade Public Schools System Computer Network (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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Declined PROD. This article fails WP:NEVENT. Specifically, WP:GEOSCOPE states that

An event affecting a local area and reported only by the media within the immediate region may not necessarily be notable. Coverage of an event nationally or internationally may make notability more likely, but such coverage should not be the sole basis for creating an article. However, events that have a demonstrable long-term impact on a significant region of the world or a significant widespread societal group are presumed to be notable enough for an article.

This just happened, and it essentially boils down to "Kid disrupted Miami schools for a few days". This is certainly important to the city, and while there's been some reporting of this outside, the effect isn't lasting (nor can it be immediately after the event occurred, nor is it likely to be anyway). Neither is there likely to be any outside lasting interest after the brief splash of a story it's made. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 17:54, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 17:54, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 17:54, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 17:54, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:13, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:13, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Does appear to fail NEVENT. Also has the potential to be COI creation. Naleksuh (talk) 18:16, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. National news sources like CBS, NBC and The Hill just started covering this event over the past 24 hours. That should take care of WP:GEOSCOPE. It is early to determine whether WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE exists. • Gene93k (talk) 18:22, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Miami-Dade County Public Schools#History for now. It is a significant event in the school district's history (which currently ends with 2013). If RS coverage persists to grow more than a stub, a stand-alone article can be spun back out. • Gene93k (talk)
• Comment. I'm the one who created the article and I have no association with the Miami-Dade Public School system nor do I have any relatives who are part of it. Therefore no conflict of interest exists. Also, more cyberattacks may come in the following weeks. MDPS has experienced several in the past so these could lead to more crashes. Please know this did not just affect the schools in the city of Miami but rather all the schools in Miami-Dade County, a much larger area. Finally, the MDPS is the fifth largest school district in the US. All of this should warrant an article. Lechonero —Preceding undated comment added 19:19, 3 September 2020‎ (UTC)[reply]

• Disrupting a large school district doesn't automatically get lasting notability. The 2015 terror hoax that shut down LAUSD, made a bigger splash of news coverage against a bigger school district. The event article was merged for lack of lasting impact. • Gene93k (talk) 00:57, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Even if kept, this article needs a substantial rewrite. As currently written, the article is a pseudobiography of one arrest, which names and features a not yet tried minor more prominently than the events of the disruption. • Gene93k (talk) 00:57, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• A pseudobiography? Are you suggesting the info in the article is deliberately fabricated? By the way, you're free to rewrite, change or contribute to the article instead of criticizing it. I've been the only one working on it. I was thinking of rewriting it but I'm not going to put in that effort unless I know the article is going to remain in WP. Lechonero (talk) 14:35, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• @Lechonero: The concern that called for rewriting refers to WP:PSEUDO: the article as written was mainly a one-event biography of the suspect. The article is now more balanced about the event. Naming the not yet convicted suspect so prominently still is a balance/WP:BLPCRIME concern. WP:NOT#NEWS still applies as coverage has apparently faded with the news cycle. • Gene93k (talk) 22:35, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge per Gene93k. WP:NOTNEWS. This is very similar to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cyber attack on Pensacola, Florida. – The Grid (talk) 19:28, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Changing vote to weak keep given of the updated information now. I would also note a possible redirect to 2020 Miami-Dade Public Schools cyberattack to match the naming convention of similar cyberattacks. – The Grid (talk) 20:26, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Predicting by the end of this coverage will grow substantially. Have heard Russian panic already. Hyperbolick (talk) 21:14, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Clearly passes WP:GEOSCOPE and WP:EVENTCRIT#2 with widespread coverage. There is WP:SIGCOV involving, Congress, the FBI, the United States Secret Service and national news media. Here are a few: Yahoo News 1, ABC News 2, Miami Herald 3. The FBI does not get involved in "local" issues but they were involved in this investigation 4. U.S. Rep. Debbie Mucarsel-Powell of Florida became involved 5. The United States Secret Service does not become involved in "local" issues but they were involved in this investigation 6. Lightburst (talk) 15:33, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  The FBI does not get involved in "local" issues is just flat-out false: the FBI provides all sorts of assistance to local police forces upon request, that's one of its most important roles. And that's exactly what happened here. Ditto the Secret Service. To a first approximation, any cyber-crime carried out anywhere in the US will have the local police force asking the FBI to provide assistance. The fact that the local Congressperson has an opinion shows that she is attentive to what happens in her district, not that this "involves Congress" (it does not). --JBL (talk) 16:27, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  That's reminding me of mass shootings in the US which a lot have been condensed into lists such as List of mass shootings in the United States in 2019. – The Grid (talk) 18:28, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• If this article is kept it is going to need a massive amount of cleanup which I have held off on doing since it appeared to be nearing deletion. However I assume the result here would be to merge. Naleksuh (talk) 02:39, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep This is not just local news. Passes the general notability guidelines for coverage. Dream Focus 23:37, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete/Merge Not a big news, these days DOS attacks by kids are common and we shouldn't be writing about every script kiddie attacks in the US. Or maybe these LOIC/HOIC attacks can be mentined in a separate list article. +++ 我是えっちゃ 03:31, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep for reasons cited by User:Dream Focus and User:Lightburst. Article is not what it was when nominated here. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 11:36, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - As pointed out already, this is the fourth largest school district in America and the incident has garnered major media attention based on the articles in the New York Times, ABC, etc... And it's bound to only get more attention due to the FBI and Secret Service investigations.Jediting1 (talk) 16:27, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. The event has historical valueMaltuguom (talk) 19:46, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Agreed. Also important as a reminder to keep history from repeating itself. TruthLover123 (talk) 21:46, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong delete. Wikipedia is not the news. Stifle (talk) 11:48, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete wikipedia is not a newspaper. I doubt this event has lasting importance. Alternatively, merge to Miami-Dade County Public Schools. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 22:04, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Additional comment: A week since this debate opened, coverage of this event has faded. For now, lasting interest beyond breaking news is speculative. • Gene93k (talk) 22:41, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, zero indication of WP:LASTing impact. We are not the news. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 01:03, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Eddie891, also per WP:BLPCRIME we should defer on putting details of a 16 year old's criminal activity on one of the world's most public websites unless essential. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:44, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

See 17 year old Kyle Rittenhouse? Kenosha protests? Lightburst (talk) 13:39, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Kenosha protests, with 2 dead, $2m+ in damage and non-stop controversy about police conduct, gets the ongoing RS coverage that the Miami-Dade DDoS attack doesn't. Also, the Kenosha shooter gets a brief mention in the 27th paragraph of the article, also the dispute there is not who did it, but whether the shootings are criminal. • Gene93k (talk) 23:12, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Ritchie333 does raise a good point with WP:BLPCRIME - just dealt with a speedy delete of an incident that happened 15 years ago. Also, experienced the same thing with Death of Julie Laible. Information for people under the age of 18 were redacted depending on the charges. – The Grid (talk) 00:09, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Per Dream Focus and Lightburst. Article easily passes WP:GEOSCOPE. ASTIG😎 _{(ICE T • ICE CUBE)} 12:59, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: The article is much stronger now in that it includes many more references and provides more information on the event. Lechonero (talk) 00:11, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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