The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep with no prejudice against merging or renominating less notable entries. There appears to be a rough consensus that at least some of the material in some of these articles should be retained. Obviously, there is a wide variety of quality in both content and notability here and some (or even many) articles probably shouldn't be retained as stand-alone articles. However, a mass AfD like this can not accurately judge consensus on individual articles, and thus should only be evaluated as a question of the general principle: "should articles like this exist at all?" I see no consensus that they shouldn't, so this AfD must close as keep. --ThaddeusB (talk) 23:35, 16 November 2009 (UTC)))[reply]

Check Game[edit]

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Unsourced article filled with trivia related to a specific audience that perpetually keeps these articles as fansites. As another similar AFD states, "No way could any of this indiscriminate trivia ever be sourced. Survived a bundle AFD in 2007 with no consensus. Tagged for lack of sources since 11/07 with no improvement." Sottolacqua (talk) 20:20, 9 November 2009 (UTC) I am also nominating the following related pages because they all fit the criteria above and are unsourced or use fansites as only sources:[reply]

Check-Out (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Clearance Sale (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Cliff Hangers (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Clock Game (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Coming or Going (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Cover Up (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Credit Card (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Danger Price (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Dice Game (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Double Prices (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Eazy az 1 2 3 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Five Price Tags (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Flip Flop (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Freeze Frame (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Gas Money (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Golden Road (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Grand Game (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Grocery Game (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
½ Off (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Hi Lo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Hole in One (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
It's in the Bag (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Let 'em Roll (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Line em Up (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Lucky $even (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Magic Number (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Make Your Move (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Master Key (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Money Game (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
More or Less (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Most Expensive (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Now....or Then (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
One Away (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
1 Right Price (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
1 Wrong Price (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Pass the Buck (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Pathfinder (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Pick-a-Number (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Pick-a-Pair (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Plinko (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Pocket ¢hange (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Punch a Bunch (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Push Over (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Race Game (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Range Game (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Safe Crackers (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Secret "X" (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Shell Game (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Shopping Spree (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Side by Side (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Spelling Bee (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Squeeze Play (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Stack the Deck (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Step Up (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Swap Meet (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Switch? (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Switcheroo (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Take Two (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Temptation (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Ten Chances (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
That's Too Much! (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
3 Strikes (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Triple Play (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2 for the Price of 1 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Add 'em Up (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Balance Game (1980s) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Bullseye (retired pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Bump (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Buy or Sell (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Double Bullseye (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Double Digits (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Finish Line (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Fortune Hunter (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Gallery Game (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Give or Keep (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Hit Me (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Hurdles (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
It's Optional (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Joker (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Make Your Mark (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Mystery Price (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
On the Nose (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
On the Spot (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Penny Ante (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
The Phone Home Game (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Poker Game (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Professor Price (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Shower Game (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Split Decision (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Super Ball!! (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
$uper $aver (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Telephone Game (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Time Is Money (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Trader Bob (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Walk of Fame (pricing game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Your source is not directly applicable to most of these articles being nominated for deletion. Sottolacqua (talk) 00:35, 16 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The nomination wants to delete all of the games - every one of them. No careful analysis of each of them has been done - it's just an indiscriminate bonfire based upon a false premise. If you want to do the careful work of checking each of them out against the available sources then please go ahead and get back to us after the proper process described at WP:BEFORE has been completed. Colonel Warden (talk) 01:04, 16 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The trivia in question is statements such as these:

Cliff Hangers: Cliff Hangers was one of five pricing games introduced in the fifth and final nighttime season hosted by Dennis James – the other four being Danger Price, Dice Game, Hurdles, and Three Strikes. It also made appearances on the final nighttime show in 1980 and both subsequent syndicated versions (see below).
Danger Price: The 1980s nighttime version hosted by Tom Kennedy used both sets of Danger Price, the change coming near the end of the run.
Dice Game: On January 8, 1988 the game offered its last car priced under $6,667, after which the five-digit version became permanent. In September 1988, at the beginning of Season 17, the "Deluxe" title was dropped.
Double Prices: According to former producer Roger Dobkowitz, Double Prices has been played more often than any other pricing game (but by a slim margin).
Five Price Tags: The correct price of the car was originally an orange version of the price tag in front of it. This was changed to the current "WIN!" tag sometime in the 1990s.

...et cetera. Most of this is superfluous information that adds no understanding about the subject. It's minutia.
Additionally, coming late to the discussion, you've missed a large argument throughout this nomination in that none of these articles are notable enough to warrant separate pages. They can all easily be edited down and merged into The Price Is Right pricing games. Sottolacqua (talk) 01:51, 16 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you're wanting to merge all these articles then you've come to the wrong place - AFD is for deletion in which none of the original is retained. Please see WP:MERGE for the correct process. Colonel Warden (talk) 16:19, 16 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This started as an AfD, but the emerging (no pun intended) consensus seems to be Merge. Another editor and I have been adding brief summaries to the List article, as suggested. JTRH (talk) 17:01, 16 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The only purpose of AFD is to determine whether an admin should be pressing his delete button for the nominated articles. If we are agreed that deletion is not appropriate then the nominator should withdraw his nomination and a merge discussion be started. This should be a separate discussion because it would involve editors of the target article(s) who may not yet be aware of this matter as those articles were not included in this bundle. Colonel Warden (talk) 17:09, 16 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure which "target articles" you're referring to that "were not included in this bundle." Some of the pricing game articles have been AfD'd separately, and some of those have already closed with a Delete. With the exception of one of the major authors of these pages, who hasn't responded to my e-mail notifying him of this, I think this AfD discussion has included everyone who might have an interest. If the consensus here is a Merge, there's no reason to re-open it instead of just going with the decision here. JTRH (talk) 17:14, 16 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.