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The result was Keep per WP:SNOW. --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:20, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Wp:NOTNEWS. The relevant information should be trimmed and moved to 2014 New England Patriots season. I tried myself but was reverted. -- Calidum 00:19, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Wait, what? You admit the event is notable—just not "notable enough". First, the general notability criteria is: "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article...." I would need an explanation of how the article does not meet this criteria to buy your argument. Oh, and remember that notability is not temporary. -- Veggies (talk) 13:51, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Slow your roll. There is no need to respond to every single point you disagree with. -- Calidum 16:50, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, there are valid issues with NortyNort's !vote. How can something be notable, but not notable enough? Mellowed Fillmore (talk) 17:19, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:ALLARGUMENTS tells that we should encourage full discussions. If an editor wants to respond to every point in the discussion, that's fine. That's why we are having the discussion.--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:39, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • To clarify, I don't believe the situation is notable to warrant a stand-alone article at this point. By "...this is a notable event right now...", I was referring to the developing situation that is blanketing TV and radio in the U.S. This is good fodder for the news, who likes to speculate especially when the Super Bowl is a week away. We shouldn't be giving undue notability to a situation we can't predict the outcome of or cause behind. This is an encyclopedia. Notability may not be temporary but a subject has to reach the 'threshold' first. Also, as WP:GNG states, "A more in-depth discussion might conclude that the topic actually should not have a stand-alone article—perhaps because it violates what Wikipedia is not,...". That's why were having this discussion.--NortyNort (Holla) 01:55, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disagree/explain: Please explain in detail how the event fails NOTNEWS. The article is not being used as a primary source, this is not a routine event within its own field, the article is not dedicated to a peripheral character—it is the central event, and the article is not a diary of miniscule minute-by-minute coverage. So I fail to see your reasoning. -- Veggies (talk) 13:51, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Whatever you say... ansh666 05:27, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disagree per above: I disagree with your view per the same reason above. Please explain. -- Veggies (talk) 13:51, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • We could always revisit the issue if anything major came out of this. But we shouldn't base decisions on what might happen in the future. It might also be important to note we don't have articles on the Ray Rice incident, salary cap penalties imposed on the Redskins/Cowboys a couple years ago, or Seattle being fined this offseason for CBA violations, something that is not even mentioned in any relevant articles actually. -- Calidum 07:00, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • CRYSTAL involves speculation on future events. This event has already happened and the consequences are unfolding. Perhaps the event does not meet the notability threshold, but I fail to see the relevance of CRYSTAL. -- Veggies (talk) 13:32, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • If stuff like the Ray Rice incident or the Cowboys/Redskins salary cap incidents warranted pages, then someone should create them. Just because one notable event doesn't have a page, it doesn't follow that a notable event that has a page is suddenly not notable.Infinity Project (talk) 02:36, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disagree: "Just because something is commented upon by various news and sports organizations doesn't make it notable" Actually, that's the very definition of notability. What more do you want? -- Veggies (talk) 13:51, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, it isn't. Take a look at WP:Notability#Notability is not temporary; specifically, the last sentence of that section. A brief burst of news coverage doesn't indicate notability. News coverage can be an indicator of notability, but it's not the deciding factor. Lots of celebrity-related issues get extensive coverage, for example, but very few are noteworthy enough to warrant their own article.-RHM22 (talk) 15:44, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • First, what makes you think this is a "brief burst" of coverage when the end of the coverage (that which defines the brevity) has not come? Second, nominating or agreeing that an article should be deleted places the burden of proof on the nominee or supporter. I haven't read any argument here that I haven't disputed on its validity. -- Veggies (talk) 16:36, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: What exactly (policy-wise) do you cite to oppose the article's stand-alone existence? Because I'm not sure how something can be "too soon" after it's happened. -- Veggies (talk) 14:40, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is something called WP:TOOSOON but it generally speaks to pre-coverage of future events. This has already happened. so I don't see how that applies. As to the point about "have we passed the point where it is notable" -- that's the purpose of this discussion. To just say "it's not here yet" is not really an argument. Please, why is it not "there" yet? (you may be right, but I can't agree with just a statement without reasoning).--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:45, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and Redirect per above. We don't know if this is just rumours or not. In any case, it's a borderline WP:CRYSTAL problem given the lack of definitive proof of something actually happening. Aerospeed (Talk) 22:00, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Haha, nice I count 7 puns in your 3 short sentences... -War wizard90 (talk) 03:59, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Not to mention, over the last 4 days this page has received an average of 4,087 page views per day! -War wizard90 (talk) 05:02, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia considers the enduring notability of persons and events. While news coverage can be useful source material for encyclopedic topics, most newsworthy events do not qualify for inclusion. For example, routine news reporting on things like announcements, sports, or celebrities is not a sufficient basis for inclusion in the encyclopedia. While including information on recent developments is sometimes appropriate, breaking news should not be emphasized or otherwise treated differently from other information.
Furthermore, WP:EVENT also states several criteria to consider in evaluating the notability of a recent news event, specifically:
1. Events are probably notable if they have enduring historical significance and meet the general notability guideline, or if they have a significant lasting effect.
2. Events are also very likely to be notable if they have widespread (national or international) impact and were very widely covered in diverse sources, especially if also re-analyzed afterwards (as described below).
3. Events having lesser coverage or more limited scope may or may not be notable; the descriptions below provide guidance to assess the event.
4. Routine kinds of news events (including most crimes, accidents, deaths, celebrity or political news, "shock" news, stories lacking lasting value such as "water cooler stories," and viral phenomena) – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance.
Having set forth the correct standards to evaluate the notability and suitability of this event for inclusion as a stand-alone article, I am now going to hedge, and say that I believe, but I cannot say with 100% certainty, that Inflategate will have "enduring notability". Given the volume of significant coverage to date, the high-profile nature of the NFL, the Super Bowl, the New England Patriots, and quarterback Tom Brady, I believe that this "scandal" will have significant legs to establish its enduring notability per the applicable criteria. If Brady and the Patriots are exonerated, and no one is talking about this event in 90 days, we may revisit this issue via a 2nd AfD and/or a possible merge at that time. In the mean time, let's source the article properly with mainstream reliable source footnotes per WP:V and WP:RS, try to maintain a neutral point of view and encyclopedic tone per WP:NPOV, and not clutter the article with extraneous factoids and trivia per WP:UNDUE. This topic can be properly treated in about 500 words of straightforward, factually stated main body text; let's not create text that restates redundant coverage of the NFL, Super Bowl, AFC playoffs, New England Patriots, Bill Belichick, Tom Brady, and the history of prior alleged cheating scandals in the NFL and pro sports generally. Focus. Please. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:48, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Conditional redirect to 2014–15_NFL_playoffs#AFC_Championship_Game:_New_England_Patriots_45.2C_Indianapolis_Colts_7; I agree with Dirtlawyer1 on basically all points. Whether this survives as an article really depends on the outcome. I think if the Patriots are found to have systematically and intentionally underinflated balls, then this article will have sufficient content for a stand-alone article; but if they escape sanction, or are sanctioned but not found to have underinflated balls deliberately, then the whole thing can probably best be described in a single paragraph. Most of this article is padding anyway, including a thorough recap of the game which is already and more appropriately covered in the location to which I propose a redirect. Aspirex (talk) 07:36, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'd be tempted to snowball keep this and close the debate. But, in this case I think waiting the full seven days would be quite helpful, as it would definitely quiet any debate on the AfD being properly run, etc. Let it run its course. --Hammersoft (talk) 19:53, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is not a democracy.--NortyNort (Holla) 21:10, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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