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The result was no consensus. No prejudice against speedy renomination per relatively low participation. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 05:41, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The subject fails WP:NBAND unless you think there has been enough outside coverage. My concern is that coverage looks somewhat trivial and I don't think WP:GNG reaches quite this low. Otherwise, no famous members, no Gold records, no charts, no national tour. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:48, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:50, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:50, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Non-trivial courage from NME www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/notes-from-the-underground-our-time-down-here-45401 and PunkNews www.punknews.org/review/11391/our-time-down-here-midnight-mass, in addition to interviews in RockSound www.rocksound.tv/features/read/our-time-down-here and PunkNews www.punknews.org/article/46763/interviews-will-gould-our-time-down-here. In both the aforementioned PunkNews interview and their interview with Sound Magazine they mentioned both UK and European tours, some headlining and one specific European tour opening for A Loss for Words, and they've also had national air play on BBC Radio www.bbc.co.uk/music/artists/cd2c42c1-85de-4c54-87c6-d76f051e422f — Preceding unsigned comment added by Issan Sumisu (talk • contribs) 19:15, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

One play of one song, even on a national radio station, does not count as passing criterion 11 of WP:BAND. The NME coverage is indeed trivial – all it says is "I really love this band, and here's a link to download their new single". Just touring isn't enough, that tour needs to have received substantial independent coverage. That leaves us with the PunkNews and RockSound coverage – I assume these are both reliable sources but I don't know enough about them. Richard3120 (talk) 16:34, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The NME article is by no means trivial coverage, Wikipedia:Trivial mentions cites significant coverage as "sources address the subject directly in detail", and that's exactly what the article does, even if it's only three paragraphs And their tours have been covered independently by, to name a few, RockSound www.rocksound.tv/news/read/our-time-down-here-announce-midnight-mass-release-date-and-tracklisting, Alter the Press (which is owned by Absolute Punk) archive.li/3tZEf and Dead Press www.deadpress.co.uk/news-lightyear-announce-june-uk-reunion-tour/. Issan Sumisu (talk) 17:38, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The NME source is absolutely worthless, an anonymous blog post that tells you nothing about the band apart from the name of the album. It might be three paragraphs, but all it says is, "I love this band. This is the name of their new album. I love this band. Here is a link to download their single, and also a promotional link to buy their album. I REALLY love this band." The fact that they have toured doesn't make them notable, as the links are just of tour dates, which don't pass WP:NTOUR. Nevertheless, the two interviews and the album review may well be enough to keep this article. Richard3120 (talk) 20:55, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I only mentioned those specific sources because you only mentioned independent reliable proof of touring, but there's also live reviews in the aforementioned Alter the Press web.archive.org/web/20110428044201/http://www.alterthepress.com/2011/02/live-review-such-gold-our-time-down.html, along with September 2012's edition of Mayhem Magazine, March 2012's edition of Big Cheese Magazine, March 2012's edition of RockSound and June 2012's edition of Kerrang. Issan Sumisu (talk) 21:44, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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