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Category:Poezja śpiewana to Category:Sung poetry

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Sung poetry of Poland. Conscious 06:10, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There are good reasons to use non-English language names in various articles. This isn't one of them: a name of a Polish genre of music which is not used in any English sources according to my Google test should be translated if possible, and this nicely translates into 'sung poetry'. I have already moved the article, and there is consensus (well, me and another user interested in this topic...) for the move. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 00:26, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Featured desktop backgrounds to Category:Wikipedia featured desktop backgrounds

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The result of the debate was Rename. Vegaswikian 00:36, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ought to be straightforward: this is a meta-category, indeed is a subcategory of "Wikipedia featured content" and "Wikipedia images by type", so probably should begin with the "Wikipedia" name. TheGrappler 21:54, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Weblogs search engines to Category:Blog search engines

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The result of the debate was Rename. Vegaswikian 00:37, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Blog — or variants thereof — appears to be the preferred naming convention for articles and categories (see Category:Blogs). Also, blog should be singular, not plural. jareha (comments) 21:47, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Natives to People

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The result of the debate was keep. Conscious 06:10, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In Category:Greek people by periphery
I completely agree, and have already stated a preference. However, I could live with any of the above as a standard. -- ProveIt (talk) 23:11, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
PS:I also do not believe that such Category:People from Thessaloniki are needed since they would fall under Category:Natives of Central Macedonia. As stated above Category:Greek people by periphery says it clearly, people from the Category:Peripheries of Greece, not cities and towns. ~Mallaccaos, 25 May 2006
Just to clear up one thing, Mallacaos: i did not remove pontian greeks from e.g. Category:Natives of Central Macedonia, but from Greek Macedonians. i guess that u can see the difference. --Hectorian 01:20, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I would disagree with the previous contributor. The category is not just for Greeks and not for the modern Greek state. Who decided that? .--Damac 10:02, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
When I created the category Category:Greek people by periphery that's what it was suppose to be which is why the tag line ((Fooian people))
is in place. The caterogries were originally called Category:Greek People by Greek peripheries, with the sub-categories of each being as such: Category:Epirotes[1], Category:Makedones[2] and Category:Kritiki [3]. People renamed them without saying anything later on. ~Mallaccaos, 26 ay 2006
As with similar categorisations across Wikipedia, the geographical classification is based on present-day borders and classifies people according to where they were born. Of course, the the Greek peripheries did not always exist but they are the present administrative boundaries which are usful for categorising poeple. There would be chaos on Wikipedia if people were to be classified as natives of whatever historical political entity was born into. If we accept his viewpoint that the category is for the "Modern Greek state ONLY", then anyone born in any part of Greece before 1832, the Ionian Islands before the 1860s, Thessaly before 1881, in Crete before 1908, most of Macedonia and Thrace before 1913, and the Dodecanese before 1947 cannot be designated as being a native of Greece, but of the Ottoman Empire or Italy. Is that what Mallaccaos proposes? .--Damac 10:02, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Modern Greek state means the history which shaped the Modern State of Greece, which included the dates you covered above. See:History of modern Greece. The way it is being proposed to be catergorized by some, then basically any person from any time period who lived/setteled in that periphery can be caterogrized as such. In that case you might as well categorize Ancient Greeks, Byzantine and people within the Ottoman Empires as such. These other subjects have their own specific categories for those time periods. This category was named as such because it pertains to the Greek modern state and its people who helped shape it. Your not going to tell me that John Capodistria did not identify himself as Greek even though he was born during a time period when between French, Russian and British rule the Ionian Islands. ~Mallaccaos, 26May 2006
It is always useful to look around at other countries to see how they dealt with the matter (this helps avoid the case for Greek exceptionalism). --Damac 10:02, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This has nothing to do with Greek exceptionalism. Category:Greek people by periphery was originally set up to pertain to people of Greek identity from the modern Greece state. Its similar to the Category:American people by state where it states clearly By nationality: American: By state
Your not going to place someone who does not identify as an American of the modern state in this category. Perfect example: there are numerious people of Mexican descent who were born in California before the state became part of the USA; they are not labeled under the Category:American people by state not because of some "exceptionalism" but for the reasons stated above. The same is with the Category:Greek people by periphery ~Mallaccaos, 26May 2006
As regards Category:People from Thessaloniki, there is nothing wrong with creating sub-categories based on the Prefectures of Greece for particular peripheries.--Damac 10:02, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I was under the impression that people were complaining that they are too many sub-categories..reason why I said what I did regarding Category:People from Thessaloniki. If you want to make sub-categories and place every persons, things and their mother who was born within the modern Greek state's boarders from 3000 years ago to modern times, go ahead, but start a new category. How can people who are of not Greek nationals be put within a category which specifically says: ===Category:Greek people by periphery=== ; same case with American for Americans. ~Mallaccaos, 26May 2006
  1. Modern Greek state means, as stated above, the history which shaped the Modern State of Greece, as it is refrenced in the Wiki article named History of modern Greece, Modern Greece means after the year 1832. ~Mallaccaos, 29May 2006
  2. No one said its not for people who are not "Greek" enough, if that's what people understood from my previous comment, I apologize. Its for people who are Greek nationals. or any other immegrants currently living in the region by periphery, for the modern Greek state means after the year 1832. Like I said the Category:American people by state does the same thing. If they are immegrants, who are living in Greece, then yes they'd be included, but including people like Ataturk in a category which says Greek Nationals, doesn't sound right. As it was stated above, create another caterogy for that which is for ALL people who were born/lived/setteled/ or whatever in the areas which are part of the modern Greek State from ancient times to current times. ~Mallaccaos, 29May 2006
  3. I don't know what the other user what talking about but to me someone who says Pontic Greek means Greek. But whatever. ~Mallaccaos, 29May 2006
  4. I've viewed most of those articles. People born in the state before California became part of the United States, are listed under a specific category of their own: Category:Californios, that someone created. ~Mallaccaos, 29May 2006
  5. Like I said above this category was set up to reflect the Category:American people by state. ~Mallaccaos, 29May 2006
American people by state uses "People from state" and has sub-sub-categories "People from city" --William Allen Simpson 03:45, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
William, I understand your concerns that some people do use Wikipedia as forum to play out ethnic disputes. Just a quick question, though: are you going to propose a similar name change for the categories included in the following: Category:Irish people by county, Category:English people by county, Category:French people by place, Category:German_people_by_state, Category:Swiss_people_by_canton, and Category:Italian people by region? They all of use the pattern Natives of .....--Damac 20:21, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Towns in Sicily

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The result of the debate was Delete. Vegaswikian 00:41, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category is empty. Category:Cities and towns in Sicily already exists. AKeen 20:01, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Locations in New Hampshire to Category:Townships in New Hampshire

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The result of the debate was Merge. (No responses!) Ken Gallager 13:12, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Locations" in New Hampshire refers to a particular type of township. Legally, they are no different from the communities that are listed in the Townships category. Also, the term "Locations" means, to most people, something quite different from what is actually listed. The proposal is to have all unincorporated municipalities, whether labeled "Location", "Purchase", "Grant", or whatever, be listed in the same category. Ken Gallager 19:45, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Billboard Hot Dance Airplay artists, Category:Dance Top 40 acts in United States, and Category:Billboard Hot Dance/Club Play artists

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The result of the debate was delete. Conscious 07:17, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The category Category:American dance acts already exists. These three are just unncessary and clutter pages. The categories are to include every artist that has ever charted on the Billboard Hot Dance Airplay, Dance Top 40, and Billboard Hot Dance/Club Play charts since their creation. That is going too far, and I honestly don't see how these categories would be useful to anyone. There are thousands of musicians who could fit into all 3 of these categories, and this will only clutter their articles with useless cats. If this is allowed to continue, people will create categories for the other 45 singles charts Billboard releases weekly as well. --Musicpvm 19:31, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:British scriptwriters to Category:British television writers

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The result of the debate was merge. Conscious 07:17, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is a very small category and can only cause confusion. Merge into its parent category:British television writers. There is also a category:british radio writers, but there is not a category:Scriptwriters and that is welcome as radio and television are better kept distinct. Calsicol 18:47, 23 May 2006 (UTC).[reply]

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Category:Fictional heroines based on heroes to Category:Fictional heroines

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The result of the debate was speedy merge, the creator of this rcently created category agrees with this proposal, therefore I am speedying this per speedy criterion G7. Hiding Talk 09:30, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A ridiculously broad category, with very vague and near-useless criteria. So far, it has been applied to a female member of a group named after a male character, the villainous daughter of a male villain, and the female successor of a male character.

I'm not sure what trend this category illustrates or what shared attribute such character has (and apparently it doesn't even include heroism, according to the cat description), other than a possibly-tenuous link to a male character. That's not enough of a link for a category. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 18:46, 23 May 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Support as per above. Joeyconnick 18:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support CovenantD 18:59, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Soft Support if there continues to be a lack of specificity. If it were Category:Fictional heroines based on male archtypes, I would be weakly against. Lady Aleena 19:08, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This could be speedied, it appears Chris created this through misunderstanding the cfd process, if I read his comments here right. I'll leave notes for him to clarify if he will allow the category to be speedy deleted. Hiding Talk 19:12, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
DeleteYes, I was in error. I misunderstood what the CfD outcome was, and then I took it in a direction much better served by an article, which I will be writing. Sorry about the mess; I saw the CfD discussion and thought that no one had gotten around to doing it yet, so I was just trying to be helpful. Because I am the sole contributor, this should be speedily deleted. --Chris Griswold 23:39, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Incomplete movie, TV or video lists to Category:Incomplete film, television, or video lists

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The result of the debate was Rename. Vegaswikian 00:44, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To bring this category's title inline with the other film categories. Lady Aleena 18:01, 23 May 2006 (UTC).[reply]

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Category:Movies filmed in Maryland to Category:Films shot in Maryland

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The result of the debate was Rename. Vegaswikian 00:45, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To bring this category's title inline with the other film categories. Lady Aleena 18:01, 23 May 2006 (UTC).[reply]

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Category:Screenshots of movies and television to Category:Screenshots of films and television

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Screenshots of films. Conscious 08:21, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: As with other CfRs of mine, I am willing to change this one with more support shown.
-- Lady Aleena talk/contribs 09:55, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Reunion movies to Category:Reunion films

Category:Babylon 5 movies to Category:Babylon 5 films

Category:Canadian movie soundtracks to Category:Canadian film soundtracks

Category:Canadian television movies to Category:Canadian television films

Category:Japanese movie studios to Category:Japanese film studios

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The result of the debate was rename all. Conscious 07:17, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To bring [these categories' titles] in line with other film categories. Lady Aleena 18:01, 23 May 2006 (UTC).[reply]

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Category:Disney Channel original movies to Category:Disney Channel Original Movies films

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Conscious 06:03, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To bring this category's title inline with the other film categories. Lady Aleena 17:32, 23 May 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Upon further review: The DCOM Official Site capitalizes the phrase in every instance, so I think we should leave this one as is for now. Even if it's not trademarked, "Disney Channel original movies" is obviously the preferred use, however antithetical to wp naming conventions. Her Pegship 18:01, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Category:Films by Disney Channel Original Movies to remove "Movies films"...?  Regards, David Kernow 07:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fair use movie posters to Category:Fair use film posters

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The result of the debate was no consensus to rename. Conscious 07:17, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To bring this category's title inline with the other film categories. Lady Aleena 17:32, 23 May 2006 (UTC).[reply]

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Category:Filipino movies to Category:Filipino films

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The result of the debate was Rename. Vegaswikian 22:58, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To bring this category's title inline with the other film categories. Lady Aleena 17:32, 23 May 2006 (UTC).[reply]

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Category:LOTR Movie Trilogy only to Category:Lord of the Rings film trilogy only

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Lord of the Rings film trilogy. Conscious 05:59, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To bring this category's title inline with the other film categories. Lady Aleena 17:32, 23 May 2006 (UTC).[reply]

  • Agreed... I don't think it makes sense as currently phrased. David Kernow 22:18, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I went for the rename instead of an outright deletion. I didn't want the LOTRians going up in flames. Lady Aleena 23:59, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Road movies to Category:Road films

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The result of the debate was keep. Conscious 07:52, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To bring this category's title inline with the other film categories. Lady Aleena 17:32, 23 May 2006 (UTC).[reply]

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Category:Video and movie terminology to Category:Film and video terminology

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The result of the debate was rename per revised proposal. Conscious 07:52, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To bring this category's title inline with the other film categories. Lady Aleena 17:32, 23 May 2006 (UTC).[reply]

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Category:CIA images

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The result of the debate was delete. Conscious 07:52, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Category:Central Intelligence Agency images is used instead. —Markles 15:46, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Marvel Comics movies to Category:Films based on comics by Marvel Comics

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Films based on Marvel comics. Conscious 07:52, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To bring this category's title inline with the other surrounding categories. Lady Aleena 15:45, 23 May 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Comment: Marvel Comics is the full name of the company, so even though it sounds odd, it would be Films based on Marvel Comics comics. See the renaming discussion for Category:London Films to Category:London Films films. Lady Aleena 17:35, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Per the aforementioned discussion, would Category:Films based on comics by Marvel Comics be a possibility? Her Pegship 18:15, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I would prefer the single appearance of "comics."--Mike Selinker 22:34, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Marvel Comics is the name of the company that produces the comics. Marvel Comics should not ever be truncated to Marvel in a category title. The naming should inclide the FULL COMPANY NAME and the PRODUCT TYPE. In this case the full company name includes the product type. That does not mean that the two should be combined. I will be looking into the other categories in the parent category to bring all the categories into the same naming scheme. If DC is really DC Comics, then the category name should be Films based on comics by DC Comics if we name this category Films based on comics by Marvel Comics. How many other organizations out there could be called Marvel? Marvel Comics produces much more than comics, so we must be precise.
-- Lady Aleena talk/contribs 05:49, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: If the film company is called Marvel Studios, then why not redirect to Category:Films by Marvel Studios or similar. I have checked the Marvel Studios article, and if the information there is accurate then Marvel Studios only seems to produce movies (and possibly TV shows) based on Marvel Comics comics anyway. -- Supermorff 17:50, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Have all Marvel Comic adaptions been done by Marvel Studios?
-- Lady Aleena talk/contribs 10:03, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No. Marvel Studios was founded in the late 1990s in part because so many comic adaptations were horrible: Captain America (1991 film), for example. But this category should include that film, even though I'm sure Marvel Studios would like to pretend it doesn't exist. :^) --Mike Selinker 14:20, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Haredi rabbis

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The result of the debate was keep. Conscious 07:52, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note: See detailed discussions at Category talk:Orthodox rabbis for the background to this vote. IZAK 11:12, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Religious Zionist Orthodox rabbis

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Conscious 07:52, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note: See detailed discussions at Category talk:Orthodox rabbis for the background to this vote. IZAK 11:17, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Contemporary Orthodox rabbis

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The result of the debate was Delete. Vegaswikian 22:56, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note: See detailed discussions at Category talk:Orthodox rabbis for the background to this vote. IZAK 11:19, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Dames Commander of the British Empire to Category:Dames Commander of the Order of the British Empire

Category:Commanders of the British Empire to Category:Commanders of the Order of the British Empire

Category:Officers of the British Empire to Category:Officers of the Order of the British Empire

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The result of the debate was 'rename all. Conscious 07:52, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The correct style of people that hold these honors is ["...of the Order of..."]. Eva db 11:57, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Category:Knights Commander of the British Empire is the current name. Dr pda 12:59, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:United States Congressional districts to Category:United States congressional districts

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Conscious 08:24, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename for capitalization. —Markles 10:51, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Markles 18:38, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Nursing schools

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The result of the debate was Speedy keep. Speedy criteria G7, since the requestor agrees with the reasons to keep. Vegaswikian 21:41, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as all articles are now in the category:Nursing schools by country --Vince 09:09, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any other articles that may go in the category apart from nursing school? --Vince 13:42, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Having given it some thought, I am now inclined to agree to with this argument also --Vince 09:07, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Based on Catholic Encyclopedia to Category:Incorporates Catholic Encyclopedia

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Derived from Catholic Encyclopedia. Conscious 19:43, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As per talk page, "based on" is inaccurate for most cases. Stevage 08:59, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you like - very wordy though. How about just "Category:Material from Catholic Encyclopedia"? or even "Derived from Catholic Encyclopedia"? Stevage 08:56, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Have chosen the latter as I imagine the relevant articles are derived from the Catholic Encyclopedia rather than merely incoporating material from it. Thanks, David 10:29, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Women of the Suffrage movement to Category:British suffragists

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The result of the debate was rename per nom. Conscious 07:55, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is a British category. There are a couple of other national categories of suffragists and the parent category is called category:Suffragists. This category is not named after a specific movement, indeed its blurb says there were two, but some of the women belonged to neither. Rename Bhoeble 08:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC).[reply]

  • Agree rename as per Kernow. Caveat lector 19:31, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree rename as per Kernow (or as per nom as second choice). Calsicol 11:45, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. According to suffragette, this term was originally used only for more radical members of the women's suffrage movement (the Women’s Social and Political Union - WPSU). As the category states explcitly it is for both members of the WPSU and the (less radical) National Union of Women’s Suffrage Societies, I would suggest the more inclusive "suffragist" is preferable. Valiantis 18:46, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Papuan society to Category:Papua New Guinean society

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The result of the debate was 'Rename. Vegaswikian 22:53, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename; reason: inaccuracy. All articles and subcategories in this category refer to Papua New Guinea, not (one of the various meanings of) Papua. Common misunderstanding - Papuan does not mean Papua New Guinean. See similar renames approved recently for Papuan music and Papuan culture. Wantok 02:32, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Ancient people by ethnicity

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The result of the debate was 'Merge. Vegaswikian 22:52, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and merge into parent. Same as parent Category:Ancient peoples, and all 5 entries are also in the parent. --William Allen Simpson 01:51, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Trade unions by country

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The result of the debate was rename to "Trade unions of country". Conscious 07:24, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm back with this again. About 2 months ago I started a discussion about changing the naming format of this cat [5]. There was no consensus for a decision, so I wanted to continue the debate here instead.

I've created many of these cats in the last few months, and the longer I work on it the more I'd like the name format to be:

The following list shows three reasons why.

There are names that don't fit well with the Category:****ian trade unions format.

There are names that would be very confusing with the current format.

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And this is a more general complaint about the format. I know these are countries, but they are also languages and it seems unnecessary to have this confusion.

In the end it is just a cat name, but I would like to see it consistent. For an idea of what has generally been done, you might want to look at Category:Categories by country and see what format is used by related cats such as Category:Economies by country. As well, Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories) has general guidelines and discussion.

One of the main points I focused on in the first discussion was that there are unions (such as the AFL-CIO) which cross over national boundaries, so it would be clearer to identify them as (for example) Trade unions in Canada, as opposed to Canadian trade unions.

And finally, I'll confess to nefariously naming a number of cats with the "in ****" format already. It just looks better. :)

If we can establish a consensus here, (either way) then I'll post it at WP:CFD.

Rename. As noted. --Bookandcoffee 20:58, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Science fiction video game hybrid categories

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The result of the debate was recategorize and delete. Conscious 07:19, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: There is no reason for Category:Science fiction adventure games and Category:Science fiction computer and video role-playing games to exist. It is far better to categorize the games as Category:Science fiction computer and video games with Category:Adventure games or Category:Computer and video role-playing games if applicable. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 00:51, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am appending my nomination with Category:Fantasy computer and video role-playing games and Category:Fantasy adventure games for the same reasons. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 01:33, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Breakup of categories
categories Adventure games Computer and video role-playing games Science fiction computer and video games Fantasy computer and video games
Fantasy computer and video role-playing games No Yes No Yes
Fantasy adventure games Yes No No Yes
Science fiction computer and video role-playing games No Yes Yes No
Science fiction adventure games Yes No Yes No

To the closing admin: Here is exactly how I propose how the categories should be divided. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 04:21, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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