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Alumni of Cambridge Colleges: "St." to "St"

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The result of the debate was rename per nom. Conscious 05:56, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In the UK, "Saint" is usually abbreviated without a full stop. The renaming would also match the parent articles St Catharine's College, Cambridge and St John's College, Cambridge. Bluap 23:19, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Aircraft by country

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The result of the debate was rename to "manufactured by" form. Conscious 05:50, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ships by country and Category:Aircraft by country should have the same naming convention. By country is used for Ships (Ex Category:Ships of Canada), but as seen below by nationality is used for Aircraft (Ex Category:Canadian aircraft). By country is more appropriate because the scopes of these categories are limited by the legal borders of countries, not by intangible concepts like nations of people.

Note: If voting against this by country naming proposal, please consider commenting regarding a potential (not proposed here) move from Category:Aircraft by country to Category:Aircraft by nationality.

--Kurieeto 22:53, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment But, as the highest level Aircraft by country category, its scope should allow for containing aircraft operated within a country that were not built in that country. Otherwise, these categories should be named for example Category:Aircraft manufactured in Canada. Kurieeto 14:38, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If the category was used for aircraft operated in a particular country the scope would be enormous, especially bearing in mind the number of countries that buy American aircraft. A successful plane like the Spitfire or the Boeing 747 would probably be in 20 or 30 categories. JW 23:45, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment it was my intent to just avoid the inherent problems of the Fooian notation, not to change the meaning of the categories. JW makes a good point, in fact its even worse than he said ... if we include usage, I suspect we would find that many of the popular ones are used worldwide, in which case it is pointless to classify them by country. I prefer that either we restrict it to manufacture only, or failing that, create a category for Worldwide aircraft. -- ProveIt (talk) 23:01, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Nintendo females

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The result of the debate was Delete. Vegaswikian 05:40, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t think sorting by sex is a useful subcategory for Nintendo characters, and if kept it should definitely be renamed “Female Nintendo characters”. WikidSmaht (talk) 22:36, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Theme songs to Category:Theme music

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The result of the debate was rename. Conscious 17:22, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The category's primary topic article is Theme music. (Theme song is a redirect to that article). Also, the category currently contains both theme songs (as defined by the primary topic article, compositions with lyrics) and theme music (compositions with without lyrics). Zzyzx11 (Talk) 21:24, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Hospital ships of the United States

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The result of the debate was Delete (empty) --William Allen Simpson 02:59, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Duplicate of Category:United States Navy hospital ships, and empty. CyrilB 21:00, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:PCHA players to Category:Pacific Coast Hockey Association players

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The result of the debate was rename. Conscious 17:22, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Abbreviations should not be used in category titles. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 20:57, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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More National Hockey League cats

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The result of the debate was rename all. Conscious 10:03, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

These cats were created after the the previous CFR request to eliminate the "NHL" abbreviation. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 20:57, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Cancers

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The result of the debate was out of process Speedy deletion by Cyde (talk · contribs) --William Allen Simpson 01:10, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Per categories nominated here. - CobaltBlueTony 20:29, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Coachella performers

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The result of the debate was Delete. Vegaswikian 05:38, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Possible precedent for the creation of countless other "[festival] performers" categories. A similar Coachella category was very recently deleted. jareha (comments) 20:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:The arts to Category:Arts

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The result of the debate was merge. Conscious 17:22, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The name for Category:The arts is incorrect. The addition of the article "the" adds nothing to the subject and defines it no more than Category:Arts. This is being proposed as part of the categorization project for Wikipedia:WikiProject Arts. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 19:07, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Gossip writers

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The result of the debate was Delete. Vegaswikian 05:36, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The "Category:Gossip writers" seems to have been created by multiple hardbanned User:Ted Wilkes (see [1]) in order to denigrate some writers he doesn't like, as only a handful of authors are listed there, including some reputed authors such as Suzanne Finstad and Gavin Lambert. In my opinion, this category may be deleted. See [2]. The "Category:English celebrity biographers", also created by Wilkes with similar intentions, has already been deleted. Onefortyone 17:37, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Hip Pop/R&B singers

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The result of the debate was Delete. Vegaswikian 05:35, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Too vauge, rather useless category, can't find nothing much in google nither about this music Delete Jaranda wat's sup 16:44, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DELETE Forgive me folks, I had a chance to actually view the category. This should be quickly deleted, since it mixes popular singers in a ridiculous matter (Mary J. Blige, a soul alto with Alicia Keys, neo-soul, and Ashanti & Beyonce (dirty pop). Wow! While dirty pop is a valid subgenre of music, probably inclusive of Justin Timberlake, Chris Brown, Ciara, Jojo, Britney, Ashanti and Beyonce, any cat that that includes Mary J. Blige, A. Keys, and Ashanti (style-wise is like apples, oranges and plums). And only nine members. finally hip-pop is not a widely used term, dirty pop is pop music with hip-hop and/or R&B influences. Fans of "authentic" R&B (note the quotes) wouldn't respect Ashanti being in the same cat as say Teena Marie. This should be speedy-ed Antares33712 14:02, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
More comment, R. Kelly and Usher are respected R&B vocalists (ok, new age R&B :-) ). Nelly is a rapper not even an R&B singer. Who did this? Antares33712 14:05, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
All of the people you named (except Britney Spears and, arguably, Justin Timberlake) are indeed R&B singers. Whether they are good or not, or whether fans of "authentic" R&B like them, is entirely beside the point. They should indeed be in the same category as Teena Marie (after all, it'll only make Teena Marie look that much better...heh heh). --FuriousFreddy 02:48, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hehehehe, you are wrong :-) lol. Yeah, Ashanti does make Teena Marie look awfully good nowadays. But seriously, the point is with dirty pop (pop music with hip-hop and/or R&B influences), the above singers could fit. Britney isn't an R&B singer (oh no never), but her music does have R&B influences. Justin Timberlake and Ashanti are middle-ground dirty pop singers while Beyoncé is more straight R&B, but she could fit dirty pop as well. But Nelly, Mary J. Blige, A. Keys, and Ashanti in one cat is ridiculous. Unless one merely wants a musical fruit punch  :-) Antares33712 08:22, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Nelly, Mary J. Blige, Alicia Keys, and Ashanti in one category is indeed ridiculous, but removing Nelly from that equasion doesn't seem disasterous. What is it about Ashanti's music that makes it "not R&B" (aside from her, er, technical shortcomings)? --FuriousFreddy 12:17, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It is R&B. The genre has evolved. Some songs (and singers) are more R&B than others. Ciara and Chris Brown and even JT are R&B vocalists. Dirty pop really is a sungenre of R&B (and pop), much like rap and say gangsta rap. All save Britney really do qualify for R&B. But its just the way this cat tries to mix sings that makes me go, What was that? :-) Ashanti, Mariah, Aretha, and Minnie Riperton are R&B artists. (I'm dying of laughter as I type this) Antares33712 15:13, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Patriot

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The result of the debate was Delete (empty) --William Allen Simpson 02:59, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Created as a parent of Category:Famous Baptist Ministers, pov and non-plural -- ProveIt (talk) 16:18, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Military people from France to Category:Military people of France

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The result of the debate was relist for more opinions. Conscious 19:48, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Needs to conform with by country conventions. Please see also a relevant discussion on the implementation of this set of categories at WikiProject Military History's Talk Page -- Andrés C. 12:25, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from speedy after comment Syrthiss 15:32, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Historiographer of Islam to Category:Islamic historiographers

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The result of the debate was Rename to Category:Historiographers of Islam. Vegaswikian 05:33, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hopefully this new name does not imply these historiographers are Muslim (if it does then the old name just needs to be pluralized). Conscious 15:28, 25 May 2006 (UTC).[reply]

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Category:Defunct QMJHL teams

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The result of the debate was Rename to Category:Defunct Quebec Major Junior Hockey League teams. Vegaswikian 05:28, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category is empty and unused. No need to distinguish between current and former teams in categorization; all teams are in unbrella QMJHL category. Delete. BoojiBoy 15:26, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:NHS defunct bodies to Category:NHS defunct organisations

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Defunct National Health Service organisations. Conscious 10:06, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This recent category for the National Health Service can be tidied up. There's a rather inconsistent use of "organisation", "body" and "institution" in articles such as List of NHS institutions and organisations which can be clarified to help users. There's also a logical relationship to be thought about with Category:Former public bodies in the United Kingdom but, given the sheer size of the NHS, this proposal prioritises internal consistency for NHS information. There is a discussion in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Health Service#Categories for "NHS bodies/institutions/organisations"?. Any offers of neater alternatives?? --Mereda 14:17, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Seventh octave wonders to Category:Whistle range recording artists

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Seventh-octave singers. Conscious 20:09, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Shgould this cfd vote be renamed to Seventh-octave singers as well? Antares33712 13:36, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This category title is totally fannish. Calling someone a wonder is a matter of opinion - some people may be able hit notes in a technical sense, even may have recorded a song, but whether someone else likes it, or thinks they are a "wonder" is a matter of pure opinion. I googled the term and only found it used in Wikipedia and it's mirror sites. Since a whistle register category already exists, it appears this category is seeking to distinguish artists who regularly and capably sing in this register from persons who can simply hit the notes. Thus, the title needs to reflect that fact. This is verifiable. Being "wonderful" is not. The definition/clarification for this that already exists on the main page is decent, although it could be tweaked. Esprit15d 13:31, 25 May 2006 (UTC).[reply]

I agree but it shouldnt be called - "Whistle range recording artists" as this can easily be confused with the "whistle register" category. Simply "Seventh-octave singers" would be better.
The purpose of this category is to distinguish the rare singers who can sing in the seventh-octave from the singers (even coloratura) who can sing in whistle register, but not that high. C7 is an extremely high note that requires training, dedication and skill to execute. Making it whistle register singers reduces the rarity of this subcategory. Antares33712 19:32, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for explaining, I've ammended my vote. -- ProveIt (talk) 21:12, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Why is it fannish to have a category for singers who can sing in the seventh octave? I see it as a straightforward (even more so than the whistle register category, with all the bickering about whether the note is an E or an F above Soprano C, only restricted to whistle voice (which can be sung below E6), or allows head voice as well. All those things are more subjective unlike this where it is simply C7 and above. Nearly everybody in the cat is known and notable for their efforts in the octave. Antares33712 04:35, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Mercedes

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The result of the debate was Speedy deleted. Vegaswikian 04:39, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Only contained Mercedes Jellinek. People are not categorized by their first name. Conscious 12:33, 25 May 2006 (UTC).[reply]

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Category:Pro-choice users

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The result of the debate was Delete. Vegaswikian 05:25, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think that ((User ProChoice)) was redirected to ((User abortion)) specifically to avoid this and pro-life categories. So it's time for it to go. Conscious 12:28, 25 May 2006 (UTC).[reply]

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Category:R.Q.Riley Projects

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The result of the debate was Delete. Vegaswikian 05:26, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This category seems to exist solely for advertisement. Conscious 12:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC).[reply]

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Category:Scops owls

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The result of the debate was Keep. Vegaswikian 05:13, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Pygmy owls

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The result of the debate was Cat redirect. Vegaswikian 05:15, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Depopulated by Spottedowl in favour of Category:Otus and Category:Glaucidium, respectively. Conscious 12:07, 25 May 2006 (UTC).[reply]

See also: Category:Horned owls, Category:Eared owls -- ProveIt (talk) 14:09, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Foreign-born US political figures to Category:Foreign-born United States political figures

(Moved from speedy)
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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Foreign-born American politicians. Conscious 05:44, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Abbreviation expanding for country name. jareha (comments) 07:45, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Famous Baptist Ministers

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The result of the debate was Delete (empty) --William Allen Simpson 02:59, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

POV and badly named. Delete. --Nlu (talk) 07:21, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Foreign Members of the Royal Society to Category:Foreign members of the Royal Society

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The result of the debate was Keep. Vegaswikian 05:22, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

- capitalisation. --dm (talk) 21:50, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from speedy after opposition. Vegaswikian 06:15, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Bombers

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The result of the debate was out of process Speedy deletion by Cyde (talk · contribs) --William Allen Simpson 02:59, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from WP:SFD. Conscious 06:05, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ambiguous. Was populated with an airplane, an arab terrorist, the Unabomber and 2 or 3 more. I re-categorized these properly. Delete. Azate 05:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Rename/merge all three --William Allen Simpson 04:23, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Executions by hanging to Category:People executed by hanging[edit]

Category:Executions by poison to Category:People executed by poison[edit]

Category:Executions by unspecified method to Category:People executed by unspecified method[edit]

These don't match any of the other subcategories of Category:Executions by method, and the first one exactly duplicates to Category:People executed by hanging. There was a confusing debate here that resulted in almost all of the categories changing into "People executed by...", but not these. I'm not clear whether this was intentional.--Mike Selinker 05:52, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • It's meant to be a "catch-all" category for all those individuals whose articles state they were executed but do not include how. However, I agree and realise that its population could be moved to Category:Executed people (adding note to this category that any articles in it are about individuals whose means of execution is unknown or unspecified). If no objections or better ideas by the time this debate closed, I undertake to make this move. Regards, David Kernow 11:45, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know about that. Having any people in the ubercategory seems to encourage many editors to attempt to put ALL people in the ubcategory and its subcategories. I'd prefer to avoid that if possible. So I'm okay with the "unspecified method" category. (Alternatively, we could just make sure all these people are in some category of Category:Executions by country and Category:Executions by occupation, and then delete this category. I'd be OK with that too.)--Mike Selinker 05:50, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Terrorist_incidents_by_country

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The result of the debate was already speedied. Conscious 05:31, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Empty. Same thing as Category:Terrorism by country -- Azate 00:58, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Music Electronic

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The result of the debate was Speedy delete.--Kungfu Adam (talk) 19:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not a category -- ProveIt (talk) 00:05, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Classical studies to Category:Classical civilisation

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The result of the debate was Keep. Vegaswikian 05:24, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To conform with Portal:Classical Civilisation -- Nema Fakei 18:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hang on, WAS, why are you now moving/adding things manually to this new cat you've made, Classical Antiquity? --Nema Fakei 11:23, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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