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Category:Jailed TDs

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The result of the discussion was: I really hate leaving things as they are when it's clear that everyone in the discussion agrees that the current name is no good. However, without agreement on whether to delete or rename, I have to close this as no consensus. Kbdank71 18:31, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Jailed TDs to Category:Imprisoned Teachtaí Dála OR Category:Imprisoned members of Dáil Éireann
Nominator's rationale: Rename. The abbreviation is obscure outside of Ireland and Britain (or the "Irish Isles", as I like to call this collective group of islands, just to continue the neverending sh*tstorm). The first proposed name is probably cryptic to most as well. The second is another option, slightly clearer, but the parent category is Category:Teachtaí Dála, not Category:Members of Dáil Éireann. (Teachtaí Dála are members of Dáil Éireann.) I also suggest "imprisoned" is slightly better than "jailed". (Ultimately, I would even be OK with delete for this intersection if that's consensus.) Notified creator with ((subst:cfd-notify)) Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:42, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - This is too specific what members of Seanad Éireann who were jailed. Snappy (talk) 06:24, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
They aren't TDs, are they? Johnbod (talk) 12:56, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So then we need a separate category for them too? Why not just have one for all members of the Oireachtas? Snappy (talk) 06:54, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I support converting it to a list. Snappy (talk) 06:54, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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World Music Award winners

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The result of the discussion was: delete/rename per nom. Kbdank71 16:08, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose deleting Category:Arab WMA winners
Propose renaming Category:World Music Award winners to Category:Lists of World Music Award winners
Nominator's rationale: Delete first, rename second. Category:World Music Award winners contains lists of the winners, and the subcategory. The subcategory is clearly inappropriate as an intersection of ethnicity and award. So I propose deleting the subcategory and retaining the main category as a container for the lists, so it needs to be renamed. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:14, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:The Bill characters

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The result of the discussion was: rename, may be deleted if all of the templates in the category are deleted, leaving the category empty. Kbdank71 16:10, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Category:The Bill characters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete Articles included in this category have been included in a consolidated list which can be seen at The Bill character biographies (A-D). This category is not going to be required in the future. Deadly∀ssassin 20:34, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wii games that use the Gamecube controller

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge and delete. Kbdank71 16:12, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Wii games that use the Gamecube controller (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete Overcategorization and trivia at best. This is an optional method to play the Wii games. RobJ1981 (talk) 20:26, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It is a useful category for users trying to find out which Wii games allow them to use Gamecube controllers. Also note that in some case, the GCN controller is the preferred to the Wii remote (e.g. Super Smash Bros. Brawl). Thegreyanomaly (talk) 04:50, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Listify and delete Not trivia as I understand the term. However, the category has a high degree of overlap with its parent. Since its members need to appear in the parent for navigational efficiency, the information would ideally be presented as a list, not a category. Note that similar arguments apply to Category:Wii Wi-Fi games and Category:Wii Zapper games. - Stepheng3 (talk) 07:46, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Caprivi

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Kbdank71 16:06, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Caprivi to Category:Caprivi Region
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Move in order to standardize Category:Regions of Namibia categories.Thomas.macmillan (talk) 16:38, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Other complete problems

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The result of the discussion was: merge per nom. Twri has not been active much in the last month. If desired, this can always be renominated to find a "better" solution if the merge target is still controversial. Kbdank71 16:05, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest merging Category:Other complete problems to Category:Computational problems
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. This appears to be a type of "miscellaneous" or "not otherwise specified" type of category where problems that don't fit into any of the other subcategories of Category:Computational problems can go. Categories like this are inappropriate. Since there's nothing similar that connects the included articles themselves to each other in ways that categories normally do, it should be deleted and the contents upmerged to the parent category. Notified creator with ((subst:cfd-notify)) Good Ol’factory (talk) 10:07, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. it "appears" to you probably because you are not familiar with the topic. It is not "miscellaneous" for the Category:Computational problems The correct "upmerge", or, rather move would be nonexisting category:Problems complete for particular complexity classes, but is is rather unnecessary level in hierarchy now IMO. Twri (talk) 19:57, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kbdank71 16:30, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Humanitarian operations

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The result of the discussion was: rename per the parent category, Category:Military operations by type. This should not be a problem for adding interagency operations, as the military is involved. Kbdank71 16:15, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Humanitarian operations (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Discussion - The current name of this category is somewhat misleading. I mistakenly added it to an article, under the impression that it was intended for all types of "Humanitarian operations". I then discovered that it was clearly meant to be used only for military operations of a humanitarian character -- one of the parents is Category:Military operations by type, and all but one of the articles (Milk for Spain) are about military operations (evidently another editor was mislead by the name, too). The proposed name will clarify the category's intent. Notified creator with ((subst:cfd-notify)) Cgingold (talk) 16:11, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Governors of Mumbai

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: speedy delete per creator request. (There's not really a viable case to be made for reverse merge since it is a historical position and the official name was "Governor of Bombay"; it was never called "Governor of Mumbai". The position ceased to exist in 1962 and was replaced by the position of Governor of Maharashtra. Bombay wasn't renamed Mumbai until 1996.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:44, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Governors of Mumbai (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete I don't know why was this category created. Category:Governors of Bombay already exists. There is nothing as Governors of Mumbai. KensplanetTC 12:50, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Post-Roman Scotland

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:58, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Post-Roman Scotland to Category:Late Iron Age Scotland
Nominator's rationale: Per discussion at Category talk:Post-Roman Scotland. New cat to become a subcat of both Category:Iron Age Scotland and Category:Medieval Scotland. Note: the parent article for this period of Scottish history is named Scotland in the Early Middle Ages, so perhaps that might be an alternative cat title? 'Post-Roman', 'Late Iron Age' and 'Early Middle Ages' all appear to be largely synonymous in the Scottish context.Mais oui! (talk) 10:46, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Tokyo Kyuko Electric Railway

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The result of the discussion was: rename to match the article. Ok, there might be confusion between Tokyu Corporation and Tokyu Group, but as noted, the articles have been named as such since September of 2007, and the neither talk page shows any complaints from confused readers or editors. The hatnotes on each category probably go a long way to explaining what the main articles are. If, in the future, we find that people are starting to get confused, we can always rename things back. Kbdank71 18:16, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Tokyo Kyuko Electric Railway to Category:Tokyu Corporation
Propose renaming Category:Lines of Tokyo Kyuko Electric Railway to Category:Lines of Tokyu Corporation
Propose renaming Category:Stations of Tokyo Kyuko Electric Railway to Category:Stations of Tokyu Corporation
Nominator's rationale: Rename. The official English name of the company is "Tokyu Corporation". Tokyo Kyuko Electric Railway is just a direct translation of the Japanese name, which appears to have been used by a well-meaning editor in the past. DAJF (talk) 05:42, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Keio Electric Railway

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Although Neier is correct, that there might be confusion if/when the Keio Group article and category are created, that doesn't prevent the name change of these categories now. Besides, there might not be confusion, and the article/category might never get written. Kbdank71 18:05, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Keio Electric Railway to Category:Keio Corporation
Propose renaming Category:Lines of Keio Electric Railway to Category:Lines of Keio Corporation
Propose renaming Category:Stations of Keio Electric Railway to Category:Stations of Keio Corporation
Nominator's rationale: Rename. The official English name of the company is "Keio Corporation". Keio Electric Railway is just a direct translation of the Japanese name (Keio dentetsu), which appears to have been used by a well-meaning editor in the past. DAJF (talk) 05:22, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American people by political orientation

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:50, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Category:American people by political orientation (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete This category can only contain vague, polemical and divise cats - it contains no articles; and all, or almost all, of its subcats should go with it. Category:American liberals was deleted here, Category:American conservatives was deleted two days later. Both were right, and the rest of these should also go. Some sub-subcats are for membership of organizations, which is much better defined. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 04:37, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Christ was he ever drunk that night. I bet he can't remember a thing. Otto4711 (talk) 03:41, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:USA Top Model winners

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Kbdank71 15:57, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Category:USA Top Model winners (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete Contest is of highly disputable notability. A Google search brings up nothing, although the contest's (bottom-dollar) site claims it's existed for years, and it's very hard to believe some of the industry's biggest models would participate in such a contest - or any contest at all at this point in their careers. The page for Alessandra Ambrosio - supposedly a winner - even features a photo of the wrong model.  Mbinebri  talk ← 04:32, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Second, The user who nominated the category was angry because he can't remove Karolina Kurkova from the list, when the links were added he decided he wants to remove the whole category. Davatrata (talk) 14:23, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Three points: First - You're accusation of racism on my part is totally uncalled-for. Please read WP:CIVILITY. Second - I "can't" remove KK from the list? There isn't a single reliable secondary source to be found to support the notability of this USA Top Model contest (or to prove that any of these models participated in it) and its inclusion in the articles, which gives me - and any other editor - the right to remove it. Third - if the photo was of Ambrosio, it wouldn't have to have been replaced, which has happened.  Mbinebri  talk ← 15:18, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Its up to them to decide who it is not me or you. I have a big problem with you promoting Marissa Miller & defaming Czech models articles are stripped for your sick racist pleasure. Second, I have a full log of all your posts on Marissa Miller forums you left your stink all over the forum. I will get on this don't worry you picked on Kurkova from day one. What photo change? its still the same photo I saw today this is really pathetic! Davatrata (talk) 17:40, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you have a point to make in reference to this contest's notability, please divulge it. I've stated my points, and all you do in return is insult me with false (and ironic) accusations. Not to mention, this suggestion that you're stalking me on other forums is rather alarming.  Mbinebri  talk ← 21:04, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My point is that you have a personal grudge with the Kovas! Even a 6 yrs old kid can tell that your edits are focused on promoting Marissa Miller & defaming the Kovas, you insisted on removing specifics that were mentioned in their articles. You also have no shame in promoting Marissa Miller while defaming the Kovas in the same breath...When I faced you with direct links you simply deicded to defame the title she won. You are the only loser who is questioninng how notable the contest is, just because your paint job Marissa Miller is not on it --- it doesn't lose credibility!

She is also one of the youngest models to grace the cover of Vogue get used to it. Davatrata (talk) 21:57, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I haven't seen that to be the case, but other awards (with or without categories) I've seen mentioned in fashion model articles have reliable secondary sources to support their notability and that the model has actually won them, while this competition has no sources at all referencing it or otherwise proving it's existed for longer than since it was recently added to Wiki articles. If it's been around for so long, why are we only now hearing about it when it has had some big name "winners"? As another editor - who doesn't seem aware of this discussion - said in her edit summary in removing the content from Ambrosio's article, it all just just seems "fishy."  Mbinebri  talk ← 04:03, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Whether other minor awards have or haven't been categorized is irrelevant to this discussion as each category is considered independently. I don't recall seeing other modeling awards up for CFD previously; do you have links to previous discussions in which minor modeling awards were nominated and kept? Per WP:OC#AWARD, generally awards other than very prestigious ones are listified rather than categorized and given the apparent lack of reliable sourcing about this award I would say that it is minor indeed. Otto4711 (talk) 09:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Australian country-rock groups

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The result of the discussion was: merge, recreation permissible if other articles are found/written. Kbdank71 15:59, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest merging Category:Australian country-rock groups to Category:Australian country music groups
Nominator's rationale: Category:Australian country music groups barely has any in it (because nobody's yet bothered to write about most of the notable Aussie groups — kidding), and this only has one act in. Suggest a merge until the parent category gets bigger. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 01:45, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Video game visual styles

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The result of the discussion was: while a rename seems to be in order, there is no consensus for a target. If desired, this can be relisted to get further input. Kbdank71 18:18, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Video game visual styles to Category:Video games by graphical style
Nominator's rationale: Rename. In keeping with the other categories in Category:Video games. SharkD (talk) 01:05, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Rename, but to Category:Video games by visual style. The "visuality" of video games extends beyond their graphics. CaveatLector Talk Contrib 06:09, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:CPSU members

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Communist Party of the Soviet Union members. Good Ol’factory (talk) 20:48, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:CPSU members to Category:CPSU functionaries
Nominator's rationale: Rename. In Soviet Union it was impossible to be any manager, politician, or military commander of any reasonable rank without being communist, so the category as named is rather fuzzy and meaningless. For example all virtually cosmonauts or factory directors or school principals were CPSU members. Heck, even Alexander Solzhenitsyn was a CPSU member! On the other hand, "CPSU functionaries" is has a clean-cut relation to CPSU works. If the category renamed, I will remove a handful non-apparatchiks manually. - 7 bubyon >t 00:58, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • P.S.: For contrast, I've just created Category:Expelled CPSU members - which is a rather remarkable group of people among those who have wikipedia articles. - 7 bubyon >t 01:03, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So you propose replacing a broad, but well-defined, category by one with no criterion of inclusion at all. Who's a functionary? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 04:39, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh, for CPSU it was very well-known who is functionary. - 7 bubyon >t 02:00, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • While the objections of kind "strongly disagree" are of dubious value, I take down my proposal, since wikipedians here apparently have no idea what it is about; so I guess the rest of the world will be confused as well. - 7 bubyon >t 02:00, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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