- Category:Kuangguo Jiedushi to Category:Kuangguo jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Lingnan Jiedushi to Category:Lingnan jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Lulong Jiedushi to Category:Lulong jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Ningguo Jiedushi to Category:Ningguo jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Pinglu Jiedushi to Category:Pinglu jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Shannan Dongdao Jiedushi to Category:Shannan Dongdao jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Song Dynasty Jiedushi to Category:Song Dynasty jiedushi – C2A (caps). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Tianping Jiedushi to Category:Tianping jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Weiwu Jiedushi to Category:Weiwu jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Wu'an Jiedushi to Category:Wu'an jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Wuchang Jiedushi to Category:Wuchang jiedushi – C2A (caps). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Wuxin Jiedushi to Category:Wuxin jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Xichuan Jiedushi to Category:Xichuan jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Xuanwu Jiedushi to Category:Xuanwu jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Yicheng Jiedushi to Category:Yicheng jiedushi – C2A (caps). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Zhaoyi Jiedushi to Category:Zhaoyi jiedushi – C2A (caps). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Zhendong Jiedushi to Category:Zhendong jiedushi – C2A (caps). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Zhenhai Jiedushi to Category:Zhenhai jiedushi – C2A (caps). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Zhennan Jiedushi to Category:Zhennan jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Zhongwu Jiedushi to Category:Zhongwu jiedushi – C2A (caps). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Chengde Jiedushi to Category:Chengde jiedushi – C2A (caps). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Dongchuan Jiedushi to Category:Dongchuan jiedushi – C2A (caps). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Fengxiang Jiedushi to Category:Fengxiang jiedushi – C2A (caps). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Hedong Jiedushi to Category:Hedong jiedushi – C2A (caps). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Henghai Jiedushi to Category:Henghai jiedushi – C2A (caps). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Heyang Jiedushi to Category:Heyang jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Huainan Jiedushi to Category:Huainan jiedushi – C2A (caps). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Anguo Jiedushi to Category:Anguo jiedushi – C2A (caps). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi – C2A (caps) (and adding the word "the" to those below) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:21, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Baoyi Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Baoyi Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Dongchuan Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Dongchuan Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Heyang Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Heyang Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Kuangguo Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Kuangguo Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Lingnan Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Lingnan Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Lulong Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Fulong Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Ningguo Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Ningguo Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Shannan East Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Shannan East Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Anxi Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Anxi Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Binning Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Binning Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Chengde Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Chengde Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Datong Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Datong Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Dingnan Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Dingnan Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Fengcheng Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Fengcheng Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Fengxiang Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Fengxiang Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Fufang Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Fufang Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Hedong Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Hedong Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Henghai Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Henghai Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Hexi Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Hexi Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Hezhong Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Hezhong Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Huainan Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Huainan Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Jinghai Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Jinghai Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Jingnan Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Jingnan Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Jingyuan Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Jingyuan Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Jinshang Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Jinshang Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Lingnan West Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Lingnan West Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Longyou Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Longyou Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Pinglu Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Pinglu Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Qianzhong Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Qianzhong Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Rongzhao Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Rongzhao Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Shannan West Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Shannan West Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Shuofang Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Shuofang Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Taining Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Taining Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Tianping Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Tianping Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Weibo Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Weibo Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Wuding Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Wuding Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Wuning Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Wuning Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Wuzhen Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Wuzhen Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Xiasui Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Xiasui Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Xingming Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Xingming Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Yongping Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Yongping Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Youguo Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Youguo Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Zhaoyi Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhaoyi Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Zhendong Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhendong Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Zhenguo Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhenguo Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Zhenhai Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhenhai Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Zhennan Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhennan Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Zhenwu Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhenwu Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Zhongwu Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhongwu Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Weiwu Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Weiwu Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Wu'an Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Wu'an Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Wuchang Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Wuchang Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Wutai Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Wutai Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Wuxin Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Wuxin Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Xichuan Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Xichuan Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Xuanwu Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Xuanwu Circuit
- Category:Tang Dynasty Jiedushi of Yicheng Circuit to Category:Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Yicheng Circuit
- Category:Baisheng Jiedushi to Category:Baisheng jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:04, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Baoyi Jiedushi to Category:Baoyi jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:04, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Jin Jiedushi to Category:Jin (Five Dynasties) jiedushi – C2A (caps)/C2B per Category:Jin (Five Dynasties) people and Category:Jin (Five Dynasties) (also adding the word "the" to those below) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:01, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Jin Jiedushi of Anguo Circuit to Category:Jin (Five Dynasties) jiedushi of the Anguo Circuit
- Category:Jin Jiedushi of Hedong Circuit to Category:Jin (Five Dynasties) jiedushi of the Hedong Circuit
- Category:Jin Jiedushi of Henghai Circuit to Category:Jin (Five Dynasties) jiedushi of the Henghai Circuit
- Category:Jin Jiedushi of Lulong Circuit to Category:Jin (Five Dynasties) jiedushi of the Lulong Circuit
- Category:Later Liang Dynasty Jiedushi to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi – C2A (caps and adding the word "the" to those below) Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:55, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Zhongwu Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhongwu Circuit
- Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Zhenhai Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhenhai Circuit
- Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Zhenguo Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhenguo Circuit
- Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Zhendong Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhendong Circuit
- Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Zhaoyi Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Zhaoyi Circuit
- Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Xuanyi Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Xuanyi Circuit
- Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Xuanwu Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Xuanwu Circuit
- Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Wushun Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Wushun Circuit
- Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Wuchang Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Wuchang Circuit
- Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Wu'an Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Wu'an Circuit
- Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Weiwu Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Weiwu Circuit
- Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Qinghai Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Qinghai Circuit
- Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Pinglu Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Pinglu Circuit
- Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Ningyuan Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Ningyuan Circuit
- Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Kuangguo Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Kuangguo Circuit
- Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Jingjiang Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Jingjiang Circuit
- Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Jinghai Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Jinghai Circuit
- Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Huainan Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Huainan Circuit
- Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Heyang Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Heyang Circuit
- Category:Later Liang Jiedushi of Baisheng Circuit to Category:Later Liang Dynasty jiedushi of the Baisheng Circuit
- Category:Former Shu Jiedushi to Category:Former Shu jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:43, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Former Shu Jiedushi of Wuxin Circuit to Category:Former Shu jiedushi of the Wuxin Circuit – C2A (caps and adding the word "the") Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:43, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms Jiedushi to Category:Five Dynasties of Ten Kingdoms jiedushi – C2A (caps) Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:42, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- As to all of the "Jiedushi" categories listed up to this point, I believe that they should not be decapitalized becauseJiedushi is a completely unanglicized Chinese noun that, if uncapitalized, will be mistaken for an English one. (I translate it as "military governor," which is also used by a number of scholastic sources, but, believing "military governor" to be an incomplete translation, decided to leave the category names as Jiedushi when I created the categories.) As for several other groupings below, I also have additional objections in addition to this one. --Nlu (talk) 14:03, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I disagree. We don't capitalize a foreign-language word just because it is a foreign-language word. It's a common noun like any other. The article Jiedushi correctly reflects this—it does not capitalize the term. It's similar to thedaimyo of Japan. Notice that in the subcategories of Category:Daimyo the word is not capitalized, as with Category:Fudai daimyo. Good Ol’factory (talk) 20:49, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- So...is that an actual objection up there (and on the ones below) or just a query? - The Bushranger One ping only 02:38, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Not sure. They could go to a full discussion, but I think they'd probably be accepted by the community at large as routine (indeed, "speediable") changes. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:22, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- OK, count it as an actual objection then. I do think that uncapitalizing "Jiedushi" looks jarring, if nothing else. Let's see if there's consensus on this issue. --Nlu (talk) 16:46, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- One additional objection: I think the article "the" is unnecessary and cumbersome. --Nlu (talk) 17:09, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Wu Jiedushi to Category:Wu (Ten Kingdoms) jiedushi – C2A (caps)/C2B per Category:Wu (Ten Kingdoms) people and Category:Wu (Ten Kingdoms) (also adding the word "the" on the ones below) Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:40, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Wu Jiedushi of Baisheng Circuit to Category:Wu (Ten Kingdoms) jiedushi of the Baisheng Circuit
- Category:Wu Jiedushi of Ningguo Circuit to Category:Wu (Ten Kingdoms) jiedushi of the Ningguo Circuit
- Category:Wu Jiedushi of Pinglu Circuit to Category:Wu (Ten Kingdoms) jiedushi of the Pinglu Circuit
- Category:Wu Jiedushi of Zhenhai Circuit to Category:Wu (Ten Kingdoms) jiedushi of the Zhenhai Circuit
- Category:Wu Jiedushi of Zhennan Circuit to Category:Wu (Ten Kingdoms) jiedushi of the Zhennan Circuit
- Category:Wu Jiedushi of Zhongyi Circuit to Category:Wu (Ten Kingdoms) jiedushi of the Zhongyi Circuit
- "Wu" itself needed a "(Ten Kingdoms)" disambiguator because there are other states named Wu in Chinese history. However, this is the only one that was in the time period in which the title of Jiedushi existed; adding "(Ten Kingdoms)" disambiguator seems unnecessary to me. --Nlu (talk) 14:03, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- See C2B, above. We match to the article/parent category name. Good Ol’factory (talk) 20:49, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Objection. I don't think C2B is talking about the same thing. C2B is talking about making sure that thecategories are unambiguous, which they already are without adding "(Ten Kingdoms)" given what I explained above. C2B also refers to, of course, enforcing Wikipedia naming conventions, but the naming conventions do not require (and in fact, call against) referring to "Wu" as "Wu (Ten Kingdoms)" in the text. Wu is to be referred to Wu in the text as much as possible, adding the disambiguator only when necessary. (I will say that I tried to call for a move to "Southern Wu" or "Yang Wu" a while ago; I could not get consensus to do so.) --Nlu (talk) 16:46, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Qi Jiedushi to Category:Qi (Five Dynasties) jiedushi – C2A (caps)/C2B per Category:Qi (Five Dynasties) people and Category:Qi (Five Dynasties) Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:31, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Qi Jiedushi of Zhangyi Circuit to Category:Qi (Five Dynasties) jiedushi of the Zhangyi Circuit (also adding the word "the" here)
- Same as "Wu" above. --Nlu (talk) 14:03, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- See C2B, above. We match to the article/parent category name.
- Category:Min to Category:Min (Ten Kingdoms) – C2D per Min (Ten Kingdoms) Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:29, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Later Zhou to Category:Later Zhou Dynasty – C2D per Later Zhou Dynasty Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:26, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Later Tang to Category:Later Tang Dynasty – C2D per Later Tang Dynasty Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:23, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Later Tang emperors to Category:Later Tang Dynasty emperors
- Category:Later Tang people to Category:Later Tang Dynasty people
- Category:Later Tang empresses dowager to Category:Later Tang Dynasty empresses dowager
- Category:Later Tang Jiedushi to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi (C2A (caps) also and adding the word "the" to those below)
- Category:Later Tang Jiedushi of Chengde Circuit to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Chengde Circuit
- Category:Later Tang Jiedushi of Dongchuan Circuit to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Dongchuan Circuit
- Category:Later Tang Jiedushi of Fengxiang Circuit to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Fengxiang Circuit
- Category:Later Tang Jiedushi of Henghai Circuit to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Henghai Circuit
- Category:Later Tang Jiedushi of Heyang Circuit to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Heyang Circuit
- Category:Later Tang Jiedushi of Lulong Circuit to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Lulong Circuit
- Category:Later Tang Jiedushi of Tianping Circuit to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Tianping Circuit
- Category:Later Tang Jiedushi of Weiwu Circuit to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Weiwu Circuit
- Category:Later Tang Jiedushi of Xichuan Circuit to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Xichuan Circuit
- Category:Later Tang Jiedushi of Xuanwu Circuit to Category:Later Tang Dynasty jiedushi of the Xuanwu Circuit
- The current article title for the dynasty is Later Tang Dynasty, which I am not moving for lack of a consensus, but unlike the situation with Later Liang Dynasty and Later Jin Dynasty (Five Dynasties), for example, there is no ambiguity as to what "Later Tang" would refer to. Given that, I don't think "Dynasty" needs to be in the category titles.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Nlu (talk • contribs)
- See C2B above. We match to the article/parent category name. Good Ol’factory (talk) 20:49, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Objection. See Wu above. I think you're reading more into C2B than what is actually there. --Nlu (talk) 16:46, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Later Jin Dynasty to Category:Later Jin Dynasty (Five Dynasties) – C2D per Later Jin Dynasty (Five Dynasties) Good Ol’factory (talk)01:18, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Later Jin emperors to Category:Later Jin Dynasty (Five Dynasties) emperors
- Category:Later Jin Dynasty people to Category:Later Jin Dynasty (Five Dynasties) people
- I understand the rationale here and am not going to oppose these hard. But it should be noted that while a disambiguation is necessary for the article title, the categorizations for the second "Later Jin Dynasty" can be easily done by combining into various "Qing Dynasty" categories. --Nlu (talk) 14:03, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- See C2B above. We match to the article/parent category name. Good Ol’factory (talk) 20:49, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Later Han to
Category:Later Han dynasty (Five Dynasties) Category:Later Han Dynasty (Five Dynasties) – C2D per Later Han dynasty (Five Dynasties) Later Han Dynasty (Five Dynasties) Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:16, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Later Han emperors to
Category:Later Han dynasty (Five Dynasties) emperorsCategory:Later Han Dynasty (Five Dynasties) emperors
- Category:Later Han people to
Category:Later Han dynasty (Five Dynasties) peopleCategory:Later Han Dynasty (Five Dynasties) people
- By current naming convention, "D" should be capitalized. (Note that there is a current discussion on this topic, which seems to be yielding no consensus to change.) --Nlu (talk) 14:03, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- The article name determines what the categories are called. That is currently Later Han dynasty (Five Dynasties). If that changes, then the categories can follow. Good Ol’factory (talk) 20:49, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I'll move the article to match the other Five Dynasties articles. If there is consensus to re-uncapitalize it later, it can be moved back later. --Nlu (talk) 21:10, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- OK. Just so you know, the overall trend is to decapitalize "dynasty" in dynasty articles for non-Chinese dynasties. The Chinese ones seem to be the odd ones out in this regard. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:24, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- That is why there is an ongoing discussion in WP:NC-ZH on this. Again, there is a split in opinions, due to the issue of whether "Dynasty" is to be considered part of the proper noun or not. I wouldn't say that my own opinion (against decapitalization) is the majority (it clearly isn't) but there is also no real consensus to change. --Nlu (talk) 16:46, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Consensus doesn't have to be unanimity. It looks to me that there is enough of a consensus there to proceed with decapitalization. Two or three editors can't stubbornly refuse to hold up the train just because they disagree. Combine the discussion with the overwhelming practice in other areas of WP for other dynasties, and I think it's a little retro not to just go forward make the change. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:24, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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