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Category:Leinster GAA

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The result of the discussion was: No rename as proposed. The acronym issue is best handled separately. Timrollpickering (talk) 12:37, 8 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Leinster GAA to Category:Leinster provincial council of the GAA
Nominator's rationale: To match the main article Leinster provincial council of the GAA. To avoid the misleading impression that Leinster is a "county" of the GAA. It is in fact a province (i.e. a multiple of counties). Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:36, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Reply a) I did not say that I believed Leinster to be a GAA county. The category contains only GAA counties plus the article Leinster GAA. A reader unfamilliar with the structure of the GAA would assume that Leinster was just another county. The name change would dispel that idea. b) The common name is not the official name. The official name is unlikely to cause confusion but the same cannot be said for the common name. c) if BHG was unhappy with the new article name, she was supposed to assume that it was done in god faith and take it to the talk page. Instead she changed it without discussion inviting an edit war. Is that good wiki etiquette? d) I await a large cut 'n' paste from BGH of my alleged bad faith edits. Brace yourself folks. While all of it will be irrelevant to this discussion, most of it will prove to be entertaining. At least it will be to BHG and her acolytes. Why else would she do it so frequently? Laurel Lodged (talk) 23:23, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Additional rationale It's how the Council itself wishes to be known, per its own website Leinster Council G.A.A. Committee. Who are we to gainsay them? Laurel Lodged (talk) 23:34, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
LL, see WP:BRD: bold., revert, discuss. You were bold, I reverted, now there can be a discussion if you want it.
The name you have chosen appears to be a neologism (see Google search), so it is not the official name. Your chosen mae = "Leinster provincial council of the GAA". Official name = Leinster Council G.A.A. Committee, according to you. Not the same thing, and not the WP:COMMONNAME
The title of the article has been stable for over 6 years. You appear to be the only person confused.
I note that you have also been engaged in yet another massive restructuring of article names and categories relating to counties and provinces, without AFAICS making any attempt to discuss this first. Most of the changes seem pointy, and I am in the process of reverting them. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:40, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
WikiProject Gaelic Games has now been notified. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:45, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American pornography

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The result of the discussion was: No rename. Timrollpickering (talk) 18:46, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:American pornography to Category:Pornography in the United States
Nominator's rationale: to better reflect the contents. Very few of the articles and categories are about American pornography but they are all about pornography in the United States. All the other pages in Category:Pornography by country will need the same sort of change. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 20:56, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Timeline of pornography

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 17:33, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Timeline of pornography (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Bad category name and only one - ahh - member. (and no, I am not a prude. I am so damn liberal I would make you blush!) -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 20:44, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Works about writers

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The result of the discussion was: withdrawn by nominator. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:23, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Works about writers to Category:Works about writers and their works
Nominator's rationale: Most of the categories use the "Works about FOO and his/her works". Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talkabout my edits? 18:51, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:School museums in Alberta

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 17:32, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Category:School museums in Alberta (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete None of the three entries can reasonably be considered as a school museum. They are open-air museums that happen to include a school. The phrase is seldom used to start with but I have found no instance of a reliable source that refers to either of these three museums as a "school museum". Pichpich (talk) 18:47, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Athletic directors

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The result of the discussion was: Speedy rename C2C. Timrollpickering (talk) 16:09, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Baylor Bears athletic directors to Category:Baylor Bears and Lady Bears athletic directors
Propose renaming Category:Georgia Bulldogs athletic directors to Category:Georgia Bulldogs and Lady Bulldogs athletic directors
Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords athletic directors to Category:Kenyon Lords and Ladies athletic directors
Propose renaming Category:Louisiana Tech University athletic directors to Category:Louisiana Tech Bulldogs and Lady Techsters athletic directors
Propose renaming Category:LSU Tigers athletic directors to Category:LSU Tigers and Lady Tigers athletic directors
Propose renaming Category:Mississippi State Bulldogs athletic directors to Category:Mississippi State Bulldogs and Lady Bulldogs athletic directors
Propose renaming Category:Oklahoma State Cowboys athletic directors to Category:Oklahoma State Cowboys and Cowgirls athletic directors
Propose renaming Category:Penn State Nittany Lions athletic directors to Category:Penn State Nittany Lions and Lady Lions athletic directors
Propose renaming Category:TCU Horned Frogs athletic directors to Category:TCU Horned Frogs and Lady Frogs athletic directors
Propose renaming Category:Tennessee Volunteers athletic directors to Category:Tennessee Volunteers and Lady Volunteers athletic directors
Propose renaming Category:Texas Tech Red Raiders athletic directors to Category:Texas Tech Red Raiders and Lady Raiders athletic directors
Propose renaming Category:UTEP Miners athletic directors to Category:UTEP Miners and Lady Miners athletic directors
Propose renaming Category:Western Kentucky Hilltoppers athletic directors to Category:Western Kentucky Hilltoppers and Lady Toppers athletic directors
Propose renaming Category:Wyoming Cowboys athletic directors to Category:Wyoming Cowboys and Cowgirls athletic directors
Nominator's rationale: Mirroring Category:Chattanooga Mocs and Lady Mocs athletic directors and others where men's and women's teams have different name. The proposed names all match the parent categories such as Category:Baylor Bears and Lady Bears.--Mike Selinker (talk) 14:47, 25 February 2012 (UTC) Mike Selinker (talk) 14:47, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per standard naming conventions when men's and women's programs use different nicknames. Jrcla2 (talk) 14:53, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • (On the Kenyon nomination) Support - I'm the category's creator and forgot to include the "and Ladies." Agree with proposal. Jrcla2 (talk) 14:52, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Terminology by author

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Upmerge Category:Terminology of Jacques Derrida to Category:Postmodern terminology. The problem with deleting Category:Terminology by author is, what happens to the included categories? One suggestion in this discussion is to delete once the subcategories are deleted. So while consensus is to delete the parent, it really is dependent on the deletion/upmerging of the children and that requires nomination for an action on those categories. That is beyond the scope of this nomination. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:32, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Terminology by author (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Terminology of Jacques Derrida (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: User:Stefanomione has created a new category tree, and populated it with Category:Terminology of Jacques Derrida, which I believe should be deleted per WP:SMALLCAT and WP:DEFINING, as only two of the category contents appear to have been coined by Derrida. If we began to categorize all terms that are simply used by writers, philosophers and academics, this would lead to a massive and pointless clutter. The parent category Category:Terminology by author is misleading, as the other two subcats, Maoist terminology and Marxist terminology, are obviously not "authors." We could also decide to keep the Derrida category and simply add it to the appropriate pre-existing subject grouping in Category:Terminology, such as Category:Postmodern terminology, or merge it there—though deletion for both is still my strong preference. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:36, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Old Paludians

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:45, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Old Paludians to Category:People educated at Slough Grammar School
Nominator's rationale: Rename to a plain English name which incorporates the title of head article Slough Grammar School, and fits the convention Category:People educated by school in England. The current category name consists of an English-language adjective derived from the Latin word for "Slough", and gives no indication of the contents of the category to any reader or editor who is unfamiliar with the school's history. I see no evidence that the term "Old Paludians" has gained currency outside the school's own circles. For example, searching for "Old Paludians" produces no hits in Google News. The article Old Paludians Association is referenced entirely to the Association itself, and makes no claim of notability.
For a more comprehensive rationale for renaming "Old Fooian" categories of school alumni, see the group nomination at CfD 2012 February 22, where I set out the general problems with this type of category name and linked to the many precedents for renaming this type of category. If you have concerns about the general principles of this renaming, please read that rationale before commenting here! Thanks. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:01, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
PS. The "Old Paludian" term also refers to alumni of the predecessors of Slough Grammar School, which was created in 1993. The renaming will not affect that, because the standard practice is categorise alumni of merged or renamed educational institutions under the current name. However, if the renaming goes ahead, editors may wish to create ((category redirect))s for people educated at:
--BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:10, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Old Edwardians

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:47, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming
Nominator's rationale: Rename both to plain English descriptive titles which clarify the purpose of the categories to both readers and editors by incorporating the full article title of each school. These names follow the "Alumni of Foo" convention of their respective parent categories
This is partly a followup to a discussion at CfD 2011 January 24, when three similar "Old Edwardians" categories for UK-based schools (King Edward's School, Birmingham + King Edward VII School, Sheffield + Edward VI School, Southampton) were renamed to use the "People educated at" format which has since become the convention for UK categories. It is also a followup to a long series of more recent discussions, in which there has been a consistent consensus to abandon the "Old Fooian" format where it is either ambiguous or does not reflect the school's common name.
In the case of King Edward VII School (Johannesburg), the proposed new category name directly reflects the title of the head article. For St. Edward's Secondary School I have added its location "Freetown" as a disambiguator, because although we do not have other articles on schools with that exact title, St. Edward's School (disambiguation) lists many other secondary schools whose name begins with "St Edwards". The disambiguator will help editors to avoid miscategorisation.
For a more comprehensive rationale for renaming "Old Fooian" categories of school alumni, see the group nomination at CfD 2012 February 22, where I set out the general problems with this type of category name and linked to the many precedents for renaming this type of category. If you have concerns about the general principles of this renaming, please read that rationale before commenting here! --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:21, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Old Gowers

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:48, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Old Gowers to Category:People educated at University College School
Nominator's rationale: Rename to clarify the purpose of the category by adopting a plain English descriptive format which incorporates the title of the article on the school: University College School. The assists the majority of the wikipedia's readers who will be umfailiar with the inhouse WP:JARGON of individual schools.
The "Old Gowers" terminology arises from the school's former location on Gower Street in central London, but it left there 105 years ago (in 1907). Schools may of course use whatever internal terminology they like, but this terminology makes for poor category names unless it has a) achieved sufficient common usage in reliable sources to be recognisable to those not involved with the school, and b) is unambiguous.
In this case, the title is ambiguous, because a plain English reading of the term relates to people from the scenic Gower Peninsula in Wales. I can find no evidence that the term is widely connected with the school: there is no such usage in a Google News search. A Google Books search throws up 831 hits, but most of them refer to old things from the Gower Peninsula (e.g. "Old Gower Farmhouses") or old things from Gower Street (e.g. "the old Gower Street Chapel", see 102 gbooks hits for "old Gower Street"), and there are a lot of references to the character of Gower from Shakespeare's play Pericles, Prince of Tyre (see the many hits for the phrase "pardon old Gower", a quote from the play). I checked each entry in the first ten pages of the Google book search, and found not a single reference to the school.
For a more comprehensive rationale for renaming "Old Fooian" categories of school alumni, see the group nomination at CfD 2012 February 22, where I set out the general problems with this type of category name and linked to the many precedents for renaming this type of category. If you have concerns about the general principles of this renaming, please read that rationale before commenting here!
I omitted the "Old Gowers" from that group nomination and a further group nom, because I had noticed that the school is of the 12 members of the Eton Group of leading public schools, and Category:Old Gowers currently contains 184 biographical articles. Since the school itself is so eminent, and all of the 184 biogs are presumed to be on notable people, I had hunch that an eminent school which churned out so many notables might have gained some wider usage of its terminology, and left it aside to do some research. My hunch has turned out to be wrong: lots of notable "old Gowers", but no sign of common usage of the term "old Gower". Apart from the googling above, I also checked each of the online references to the List of Old Gowers, and not one of them contains the phrase "old Gower". BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:09, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Lists of government ministers of Australia

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The result of the discussion was: keep but modify contents. To avoid non-list articles being in a list category, the moving of the contents to appropriate categories, possibly with redirects, can be done.--Mike Selinker (talk) 15:02, 10 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Lists of government ministers of Australia to Category:Government ministries of Australia (Update: but is seems depopulating most entries is a better idea)
Nominator's rationale: It is filled predominantly with articles about ministries. Even thought the articles in the category may contain a list the category should be reserved for pages that are purely a list ie. preceded by "List of". -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 08:29, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Old Highburians

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:54, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Old Highburians to Category:Alumni of Highbury Preparatory School
Nominator's rationale: Rename to a descriptive format which uses the the title of the head article, Highbury Preparatory School. This rename facilitates navigation by removing obscure WP:JARGON from a category name (where it impedes navigation), and by clarifying the category's purpose as alumni of the school in KwaZulu-Natal. This also disambiguates the category name from:
  1. alumni of the defunct Highbury House School in Highbury, London, England, from which the prep school took its name (see here and here)
  2. A possible further Highbury House School in Hastings [1]
  3. Old or deceased people from Highbury district of London, England
  4. former pupils of Highbury Grove School in the Highbury, London
  5. alumni of the defunct Highbury County Grammar School for Boys who also call themselves "Old Highburians"
The "Alumni of Foo" format proposed for the new name follows the convention of Category:Alumni by secondary school in South Africa. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:12, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Tayside

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 14:35, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Category:People from Tayside (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete as superfluous. Tayside is a defunct council area in Scotland, and the local categorisations of Scottish people are now organised under current council areas, in Category:People by council area in Scotland. The category is now empty, since I have just recategorised the sole article Alex Anderson (footballer). -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:40, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Glossary of computers

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The result of the discussion was: Speedy rename C2C. Timrollpickering (talk) 16:30, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Glossary of computers to Category:Glossaries of computers
Nominator's rationale: per convention and grammar. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 04:45, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Skeptic multimedia

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Scientific skepticism media. There's consensus to rename, but not clear consensus for what to rename to. This can be nominated again if someone comes up with a better name.--Mike Selinker (talk) 15:06, 10 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Skeptic multimedia to Category:Scepticism publications
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Alternatively Category:Scepticism literature. The title is probably a little misleading and does not fit in with other categorisation schemes. It mainly contains books, magazines and journals. Note that I have removed some of the articles that were more related to urban legends. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 20:46, 24 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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