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Category:Thai male triple jumpers

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The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 08:54, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization. power~enwiki (π, ν) 20:57, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I saw this one because it is new, but there are many other countries with similar SMALLCATs. power~enwiki (π, ν) 20:58, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Sports venues in State of Jefferson region

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The result of the discussion was: delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 23:55, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SYNTH violation. None of these articles mention Jefferson (proposed Pacific state). power~enwiki (π, ν) 20:22, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Why it should stay The State of Jefferson is the name for the region of Northern California and Southern Oregon that is represented by this group. The State of Jefferson is not only a proposed state but also a name used throughout the region just to refer to the area that is distinctly different than the other parts of California and Oregon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thecondor (talk • contribs) 23:37, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Standardized tests for Medicine

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The result of the discussion was: rename Category:Standardized tests for Medicine to Category:Standardized tests in healthcare education. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:45, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Standardized tests for Medicine to Category:Standardized tests for admission to clinical training
Nominator's rationale: Title is ambiguous. These are tests for doctors, not patients, and the category can be widened a little to include similar tests for other clinicians Rathfelder (talk) 20:15, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That works for me. RevelationDirect (talk)
This cat is currently a subcat of Category:Medical education. If it's renamed then should that change? DexDor (talk) 21:48, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • We havent got a superior category of clinical education, and frankly there wouldnt be much to put in it, but perhaps we need it.Rathfelder (talk) 22:42, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Alt Rename/Support to Category:Standardized tests in healthcare education as the most naturally worded one. All of the suggestions here are better than the current ambiguous name so I support any other suggestion that approaches consensus.RevelationDirect (talk) 01:19, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Concur with RevelationDirect. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:39, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Very happy with Category:Standardized tests in healthcare education. Rathfelder (talk) 09:54, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Crimes committed by illegal immigrants

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The result of the discussion was: delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 00:00, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category, created without discussion, appears highly controversial and in itself politically and racially biased. In addition, there is a real danger of the contents coming to include crimes that are rumoured, or reported in unreliable sources, to have been carried out by illegal immigrants when in fact they may not be. Deb (talk) 18:27, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose People of all races immigrate illegally. It is a legitimate legal status, and, therefore, a legitimate addition to Category:Criminal activities by perpetrator and Category:Illegal immigration.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:37, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note that I often create articles about notable crimes. Deb often argues to delete them at AfD.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:42, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think that if you double-check, you'll find that this is not the case. It's true we often disagree about deletions, but I'm not aware of having argued for the deletion of any articles you have created. Deb (talk) 21:02, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
What I wrote,or meant to write, is that you often argue to delete notable crimes.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:42, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wikipedia is better than that. Editors have reliably sourced the fact of illegal status in these articles.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:40, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • In at least one case, there hasn't even been a trial yet.Deb (talk) 22:06, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Your argument really is that media attention and illegal immigration are related, rather than crime and illegal immigration. We can't categorize by anything that media have disproportionate attention for (that would require us to have a measure of disproportionality, leading to all sorts of WP:SUBJECTIVECAT issues). Marcocapelle (talk) 08:22, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The information about the immigration status of these perpetrators is generally provided by police sources and the perpetrator was in no position to challenge it. Rathfelder (talk) 19:49, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Would it make sense to limit the category to cases that have been adjudicated?E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:09, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • In these examples the perpetrators had a common motive for their crimes, and/or cooperated with each other in order to commit their crimes, so there is a connection between the perpetrators with respect to their crimes. That is not the case with illegal immigrants. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:29, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Most of the other subcats of Category:Criminal activities by perpetrator are actually categorizing by the organization that committed the crime. Category:Criminals by nationality is categorizing people (not events). DexDor (talk) 21:32, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
And make no mistake, these are terrible crimes. The killing of police officer Ronil Singh -- a Fijian immigrant to California -- struck very close to home, as a good friend of ours was his teacher at community college. The alleged killer was an illegal immigrant, as were several of his friends who have been charged as accomplices for trying to help him escape to Mexico. At the same time, it's also the case that this murder was seized on and shamelessly exploited by Donald Trump to get support for his border wall. (The same way the (accidental) shooting of Kate Steinle was exploited by Trump and a host of other people.)
In short, regardless of how one feels about this whole subject, the fact remains that it receives a great deal of attention from the media and the public at large. Which leaves us with the question of What is the proper way to deal with it on Wikipedia? It can't and shouldn't be hidden away -- but it also shouldn't be given excessive prominence. After racking my brain for a more acceptable category name -- one that would have any real likelihood of gaining support here -- I have reluctantly given up, in favor of a different solution. (see below, shortly) Anomalous+0 (talk) 13:29, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That the sources in articles would support a category is a necessary condition for a category to exist, but doesn't mean the category is necessary. DexDor (talk) 19:04, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Except tat the illegal status of these criminals is a matter of verifiable fact.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:03, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Untrue. In fact, several (Killing of Ronil Singh) are about criminals who were not on immigration holds for deportation, but would have been except for the fact that they were living in sanctuary cities, or about criminals (Wilbur Ernesto Martinez-Guzman,) currently on immigration holds for deportation. One (Murder of Eliud Montoya) is about a murder by illegal immigrants, who ran a business staffed by illegal immigrants, and hired another illegal immigrants to murder a citizen who had evidence that they were running a business that exploited illegal immigrants. Others are about cases (2012 Paros beating and rape, Shooting of Kate Steinle, Palagonia double homicide,) where the illegal migrant status of the suspect became a focus of national political attention. But in every case, the illegal status of the suspected or convicted criminal is a or the aspect that made these crimes notable.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:00, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • An article titled "Killing of..." is not about a criminal; it's about an event. The defining characteristics of the event include its type, location and year.  The immigration status of a person may be a defining characteristic of that person, but that doesn't make it a defining characteristic of an event they are involved in (as perpetrator, victim or whatever). DexDor (talk) 11:15, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Hijabophobia

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The result of the discussion was: selective merge. – Fayenatic London 17:01, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I'm afraid I see issues with the application of this category. PPEMES (talk) 13:59, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Unquestionably, this category will be difficult, if not impossible, to apply. Deb (talk) 18:35, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Christian feminists

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering (Talk) 11:16, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename and purge for more clarity, the category is apparently meant to collect those who are involved in Christian feminism but because of the current category's name it also attracts biographies of feminists who coincidentally happen to be Christian. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:33, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support very sensible.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:54, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Quite right, very sound analysis. Anomalous+0 (talk) 12:06, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support - agree. Deb (talk) 14:12, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Bismarck monuments

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The result of the discussion was: Rename (WP:NAC). DexDor (talk) 20:00, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: One of just 3 out of 95 categories in Category:Monuments and memorials by person to use this form. Grutness...wha? 01:23, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Diana, Princess of Wales memorials

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The result of the discussion was: Rename (WP:NAC). DexDor (talk) 21:33, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: One of just 3 out of 95 categories in Category:Monuments and memorials by person to use this form. Grutness...wha? 01:20, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:John F. Kennedy memorials

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering (Talk) 11:16, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: One of just 3 out of 95 categories in Category:Monuments and memorials by person to use this form. Grutness...wha? 01:03, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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