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Category:Deaths at the Battle of Dupplin Moor

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge. bibliomaniac15 03:46, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary category as the notable deaths at this battle were all Scottish. PatGallacher (talk) 22:41, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Genocide prevention

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The result of the discussion was: keep in light of the RM discussion going on currently. bibliomaniac15 03:49, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I moved the main article because "Prevention of genocide" is both more transparent what it means, and gets more than twice as many google hits. The category should be moved to correspond with it. buidhe 22:27, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Raja Rao Award

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The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 03:50, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Raja Rao Award
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCASSOC, WP:OCAWARD)
The Raja Rao Award was a short lived Indian literary award from 2000 to 2009. The contents of this category are unusual: those who judged submissions, those who received the award, those who oversaw the organization, and the person the award was named after (Raja Rao) are all commingled. With a couple exceptions, the award is mentioned in passing in the articles across those groups and doesn't seem defining to any of them. The winners are already listified here in the main article while Template:Raja Rao Award includes all these articles for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:52, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
*RFC There is an open request for comments on proposed changes to WP:OCAWARD. Your input (pro/con/other) is always welcome here. -RD
Procedural Note to Closer I neglected tagging this category until 5/8. Additional time should be given for full discussion. RevelationDirect (talk) 16:47, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Procedural relisting, since the category was not tagged until 5/8.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, bibliomaniac15 19:51, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Why has this been relisted when there is already a consensus to delete per OCAWARD? Peterkingiron (talk) 17:23, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That's my fault: I missed tagging the category until a couple days after this nomination. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:41, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Railway stations in Hong Kong opened in 2020

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. bibliomaniac15 03:55, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I propose that this category be upmerged to Category:Railway stations in China opened in 2020. This category extends back as far as Category:Railway stations in China opened in 2000. Hong Kong (and Macau) are "special administrative areas" of China and are part of China. The two stations will retain the category Category:2020 establishments in Hong Kong which they had before. We do not have categories for subnational divisions like "Railway stations opened in California in 2019" which are included in Category:Railway stations in the United States opened in 2019, (and the station should also be in "2019 establishments in California")
The category for "Railway stations by country by opening year" has only a few countries with significant numbers of new stations opening regularly (Canada, China, Russia and the United States), so should not be expanded by countries (or "subnational divisions") with only a few articles for inclusion. Likewise some categories by year or month e.g. disasters by year by country or events by month by country do not include all countries. The following categories for China include events from Hong Kong: Category:February 2018 events in China, Category:January 2020 events in China and Category:2018 disasters in China. Note that "establishments in Hong Kong by year" are included as a subcategory of "establishments in China by year" back to 1998 - apart from 2020.
copy of CFDS discussion
We do not have categories for subnational divisions like railway stations in California opened in 2019 or railway stations in Hong Kong opened in 2020. And the categories by country should be restricted to those countries with a number of new railway stations in all or most years e.g at present only China, Canada, Russia and the United States. Hugo999 (talk) 21:49, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – We create separate categories for Hong Kong to overcome complications related to its status as a semi-autonomous territory and history as a British overseas territory. This is a long-established convention for the ~16,000 Hong Kong-related articles on Wikipedia. The comparison to California is not apt because Hong Kong is not a Chinese province. Chinese laws do not apply in Hong Kong. The bulk of Hong Kong's railway stations opened before Hong Kong became part of China in 1997. Should those fall under the category for UK or China? Neither – Hong Kong categories should remain, as is the norm for all other category trees. Thank you. Citobun (talk) 00:33, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: While Hong Kong (and Macau) are not provinces but "special administrative areas" of China they are part of China; and apart from Category:2020 establishments in Hong Kong which you created, the earlier categories e.g. Category:2019 establishments in Hong Kong are subcategories of Category:2019 establishments in China, back to 1998. The categories for Railway stations in China will not extend further back than Category:Railway stations in China opened in 2000 as the wholesale building of new lines and stations (like the 19c "railway mania in Britain"?) seems to have started in the 2000s. Earlier categories for Chinese and Hong Kong railway stations will remain in Category:Railway stations opened in 1999 etc. Thank you. Hugo999 (talk) 05:01, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sounds reasonable, but let's then move this to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:19, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Citobun. We keep separate subcats for everything in Hong Kong, and creating random exceptions to that principle will make the category tree a nightmare to maintain. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:54, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Citobun and BrownHairedGirl: pinging other contributors to speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:06, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, bibliomaniac15 19:40, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is not unlikely there are more of these Chinese categories with Hong Kong articles. The aim of having the Hong Kong tree exactly replicating the tree of China is unmaintainable. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:36, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If the consensus of this discussion is to merge, then that should include all these new categories. But I hope that isn't the consensus. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:02, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Statistical theorems

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The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 09:49, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per other categories in Category:Mathematical theorems. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 19:16, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Iraqi Central League

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The result of the discussion was: keep. in light of the contested move. bibliomaniac15 19:17, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Iraqi Central League to Category:Iraq Central FA League
Nominator's rationale: To match with the name of the parent article, Iraq Central FA League, which was moved per WP:COMMONNAME. Hashim-afc (talk) 18:03, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 16:41, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Iraqi Central League seasons

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The result of the discussion was: keep. in light of the contested move. bibliomaniac15 19:17, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Iraqi Central League seasons to Category:Iraq Central FA League seasons
Nominator's rationale: To match with the name of the parent article, Iraq Central FA League, which was moved per WP:COMMONNAME. Hashim-afc (talk) 18:03, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 16:41, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Literary work on the Third World War III

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Consensus favors the original nom rather than the alt nom, despite the difference with the rest of the cat tree. bibliomaniac15 04:00, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Literary work on the Third World War III to Category:Novels about World War III
Nominator's rationale: "Third World War III" is nonsensical. Otherwise, not sure whether the category should exist, but if it should, it should be renamed to be more in keeping with other novel categories. DonIago (talk) 17:25, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Perching birds

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The result of the discussion was: merge. bibliomaniac15 04:02, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: These categories appear (e.g. see Passerine) to be the same topic. DexDor (talk) 11:44, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Potter artists

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The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 04:04, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I just created this category as I noticed a number of people listed under Category:Art pottery, but on second thought, aren't all potters artists? At least Category:Potters is under Category:Artists by type, so this seems redundant. Although historically there might have been potter craftsman whose works would not be considered artistic, so maybe there is potential for keeping this and refining the categorization of potters in general? Thoughts? Keep this, or delete it (and depopulate people from Category:Art pottery?). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:27, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It only ever contained William Ault , who, as described above, was not certainly either. If it was decided to keep it, it could be populated, with several sub-cats. But it essentially duplicates existing cats, & is not a term in common use. Johnbod (talk) 21:10, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Radio stations in insular areas of the United States

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 May 23#Category:Radio stations in insular areas of the United States

Category:People from Queens, New York

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The result of the discussion was: keep. bibliomaniac15 19:19, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per consistency with the main Queens article and categories i.e. Category:People from Manhattan, Category:People from Brooklyn, Category:People from Staten Island, etc. cookie monster (2020) 755 03:53, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Swedish Curling Hall of Fame inductees

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:27, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Swedish Curling Hall of Fame inductees
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OVERLAPCAT, WP:OCAWARD and WP:OCASSOC)
My web translator calls this award "Big Curlers" but Swedish Curling Hall of Fame is probably a reasonable translation. There's not much info available about this award. The official web site in Swedish doesn't give much information but, in practice, these seem to be awarded within a year or two of becoming a Swedish curling champ. We already have Category:Swedish curling champions which closely overlaps. A number of these articles mention the award in the intro but they're consistently from the same enthusiastic editor who created this category. The contents of the category are already listified here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:23, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
*RFC There is an open request for comments on proposed changes to WP:OCAWARD. Your input (pro/con/other) is always welcome here. -RD
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Category:National Lacrosse Hall of Fame inductees

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:27, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:National Lacrosse Hall of Fame inductees
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCAWARD (WP:NONDEFINING)
The National Lacrosse Hall of Fame is given to college level Lacrosse players in the United States usually many years after graduation. These recipients fall into three groupings:
1 No Article: A large majority of the winners likely don't have the notability to ever have a Wikipedia article.
2 Happened to Play in College: Many of the people who do have articles have them for reasons unrelated to Lacrosse, like General Robert E. Kelley or football player Jim Brown.
3 Actually Defined by Lacrosse but Not This Award: Some of the recipients are known for college Lacrosse like coach Gene Corrigan and player Stan Cockerton. Even with this group, the award tends to get a passing mention and doesn't seem defining.
All these articles are already well categorized under Category:College lacrosse players in the United States or the like. The contents of the category are already listified here in a separate list article. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:23, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
*RFC There is an open request for comments on proposed changes to WP:OCAWARD. Your input (pro/con/other) is always welcome here. -RD
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