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Category:Infobox person using boxwidth/influence/ethnicity/religion/denomination/home town parameter

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:18, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: These were temporary tracking categories to find uses of a deprecated parameter. All of the categories have been emptied by fixing template transclusions in articles. All such parameters have been removed from ((Infobox person)), and the code that created these tracking categories has been removed from the template, so the categories can be deleted. Articles with new usages of any of these parameters will appear in Category:Pages using infobox person with unknown parameters. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:58, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Bilateral relations of U.S. states

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:10, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Bilateral relations are relations between two sovereign states. U.S. states are not sovereign, so by definition, there cannot be bilateral relations. The articles used to populate these categories are trivial, and not defining. -- Tavix (talk) 21:42, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I'm not familiar with the contents of each of these categories, but I would imagine they could be sub-categories of Category:Paradiplomacy. The topic of sub-national diplomacy in the USA is certainly notable, and on that basis I'm inclined to keep. But is it defining to the articles in question? I don't know. --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 17:37, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Empire of Austria (1867-1918)

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:50, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: These category have been created with a hyphen instead of a dash as required by MOS:DATERANGE, and could be renamed Speedily, but I thought it would be useful to have a full discussion on record. These categories have been created by emptying many single-year establishment categories out-of-process, such as Category:1882 establishments in Austria. [1] [2] I believe it would have been best practice to list those categories at CFD for merger to "Empire of Austria", especially as there was no consensus to merge these at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_April_22#Establishments_in_Austria_in_prior_to_1919 and Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_April_1#(dis)establishments_in_Austria – Fayenatic London 21:05, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply It is not true to say that i made no reply. I created two discussions on two talk pages and pinged @Liz and Fram: who complained. See Talk:Gaming Charterhouse. This nomination is an abuse of WP:CFD as the nominator has already confessed. It is nothing more that WP:POINTY finger pointing. By the way, I have also created "establishment" categories for many states of the Holy Roman Empire. It is likely, for example, that Category:Establishments in the Archduchy of Austria is probably a better home for many articles that are erroneously tagged to 18th and 19th century establishments in Austria.Laurel Lodged (talk) 07:35, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • No idea if it worked for Liz, but for me the ping at that page didn't work. In any case, when you are contacted on your user talk page about edits to many pages, it is better to discuss it there, instead of on some disparate article talk pages: and reverting changes after you have been contacted and without replying is wrong. I'll repopulate the categories you emptied against consensus, and I would urge you very strongly to stop reverting this, as it would mean that a WP:ANI discussion would be necessary to force you to stop. Fram (talk) 07:49, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • There was no consensus to leave articles in incorrect categories. There was a suggestion to create categories for more precise geographic and time periods. This I did with the creation of these 3 nominated categories. The articles you complain of are now correctly categoried. Please stop the reversions of those articles to categories that are now unnecessary and incorrect. Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:39, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Market towns

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The result of the discussion was: keep Category:Market towns in the Czech Republic; delete Category:Market towns in Norway and Category:Ottoman market towns; no consensus on the rest. The discussion was impeded by procedural issues. Amongst other problems, Category:Market towns in England, Category:Market towns in Wales, and Category:Market towns in Scotland were not nominated so it made little sense to delete Category:Market towns in the United Kingdom. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:31, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Confusing to have this for England in particular though if I look at Category:Ottoman market towns they aren't in a towns (or other settlement) category so maybe those should be kept. So I'd be fine with keeping some of the non-UK. In terms of Category:Market towns in England most towns in England appear to be market towns but only some are categorized as such anyway meaning that this largely duplicates Category:Towns in England making it harder to find towns if only some of a county's towns are in the market town's category, see WP:OVERLAPCAT. If deleted the articles should be checked to make sure that they are in an appropriate towns category. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:48, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, please specify the merge target for every of the subcategories. That information is needed if only for the closer of the discussion in order to implement the nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:31, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: my procedural oppose does not apply to these two categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:04, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Collaborators with Nazi Germany by ethnicity

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:36, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Categorising Nazi collaborators by ethnicity is a highly inappropriate ethnic intersection. This tree was created by an indefinitely banned user and the ethnic categories present are notable in that they are exclusively of oppressed communities, which presents a highly selective view of Nazi colloraboration. The drivers of Nazi collaboration were typically political, thus this intersection of Nazis and ethnicity is not even historically useful or accurate. SFB 17:33, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Heavenly Records artists

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The result of the discussion was: rename/merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:13, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Nomination per Speedy#C2D: Consistency with main article's name. As well the correct name of the record label webpage and company is 'Heavenly Recordings' instead of 'Heavenly Records'. (Not being aware of the latter I accidentily started a new cat 'Heavenly Recordings artists'. It should be merged.) Just N. (talk) 15:55, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People by autonomous community in Spain

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The result of the discussion was: rename, though not the Basque ones or the conquistadors ones: there was no consensus to rename these. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:50, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Contents of Category:People by autonomous community in Spain to various
Andalusian categories
Aragonese categories
Asturian categories
Balearic categories
Basque categories
Canarian categories
Cantabrian categories
Castilian-Leonese categories
Castilian Manchegan categories
Catalan categories
Extremaduran categories
Galician categories
Madrilenian categories
Murcian categories
Navarrese categories
Riojan categories
Valencian categories
Nominator's rationale: The Spanish people tree breaks from traditional naming convention of "fooian people" for countries and "people from foo" for other locations, by using forms such as "Andalusian people". The autonomous communities of Spain, while of significant historic relevance, are not countries therefore these should be renamed to "people from Andalusia" etc.
The principal basis of the renames are to rename to a category matching the article title of the relevant community. This is relatively straight forward for all except the Catalan and Basque categories (presumably the complications are the reason for this difference lasting so many years).
In the case of Catalan categories, I have proposed a rename to the styling "from Catalonia", though unlike other regions Category:Catalan people is listed under Category:Ethnic groups in Spain. However, the content of the category is largely location-based therefore I suggest we proceed in styling this as a non-ethnic category. Ethnic-specific categories can be created later if that is desirable.
In the case of the Basque categories, these are problematic because it is ambiguous whether "Basque fooers" refers to people from Basque Country (autonomous community) or Basque Country (greater region). Categories distinguishing those two are few. To prevent miscategorisation I suggest to rename the current Basque categories to "Basque Country (greater region)" then subcategories for "Basque Country (autonomous community)" can later be created to refine this categorisation, where appropriate. I appreciate this is a big nomination so any input is much appreciated, and if some aspects of the Catalan/Basque remain unclear I'd prefer if the less complex renames proceed separetely, rather than dropping the whole nomination as one. SFB 15:30, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Dimadick: Yes there are definitely complications there! The problem is that there is often no distinction of Basque ethnic/Basque region/Basque Spanish autonomous community within the current structure so we have things like Category:Basque tennis players serving as a mix of all three. I'm open to a clean-up approach on that problem. Yet the issue is that leaving all Basque categories as an ethnic grouping puts many at risk of deletion. Things like "Basque ethnicity" and "tennis player" are probably not relevant intersections for categories (while renaming per location would be). Note that the key ethnic categories, like Category:Basque people and Category:French-Basque people, have been excluded and the nomination is focusing only on occupational Basque categories. SFB 18:05, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I have now removed the French players from the Catalan and Basque rugby union cats which as far as I'm aware was the main area of overlap among the modern era categories - stuff like 'Basque explorers' dating back to the 1400s would obviously need to be looked at differently. Unfortunately, for those rugby players there is no direct equivalent on that side of the border for anyone looking for a quick list. Although the French-Basque contingent is significant in rugby, and the Perpignan area too to a lesser degree, there are no other regional groupings of French players at present so I think it would be pushing the boundaries of categorization to create one for these specific, geographically small areas (the Catalan side at least has a department, one could attempt to get away with Category:Rugby union players from Pyrénées-Orientales, but the French Basque Country is only half a department, obviously it exists to an extent but it would almost be SYNTH to categorise the rugby players alone to that degree IMO - there is Category:French-Basque people which several of them already had, but that's getting back to the main Basque issue of it being a cultural identity – often self-defined – rather than a geopolitical location of origin which is more straightforward to demonstrate and apply). Crowsus (talk) 13:15, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Further update, I have now gone through all the Basque and Catalan sportspeople cats, ensuring they refer to the autonomous communities (tbf apart from the rubgy it wasn't too bad). So although the wider issue remains, the sports ones can be renamed without a problem. BTW, apologies if these updates are delaying the moves actually happening, that's not my intention. Crowsus (talk) 10:10, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Right, but 'Basque' is also one of the locations under this same official definition, you can't just ignore it entirely (I think that's what you're suggesting? Sorry if I misread it) because some people innocently added it to a wider, older ethnolinguistic sphere, and some other people carelessly misapplied it in modern contexts. Crowsus (talk) 19:10, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"La primera conquista la hicieron principalmente castellanos, extremeños, andaluces guerreros del centro y sur de España." Rufino Blanco Fombona, Ensayos históricos, 1981.
"Procedencia: en gran proporción procedían de Extremadura, región pobre, ganadera. Cortés, Pizarro, Valdivia, Orellana, fueron extremeños. Los castellanos propiamente dichos procedían, en parte, de tierras contiguas a Extremadura." Antonio Domínguez Ortiz, Hisoria de España, 1974.
It seems most commenters think that only Catalonia and the Basque Country somehow have their own language, culture and ethnic history? Galicians, Asturians, Cantabrians, Castilians, Leonese, Aragonese, Valencians, Murcians, Andalusians, Extremadurans, Canarians, etc. are historical ethnicities going back many centuries. Spain is a multiethnic country and it has been for as long as we know. Surely we can have geographical and ethnical categories, but it makes no sense to mix them both here. Neodop (talk) 22:41, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Neodop: I avoided the more historical categories (e.g. Category:11th-century Catalan people) for that reason. I thought about excluding the conquistador categories, but the proposed names all share names with the historic regions too (except Castile and Leon which need separating).
I definitely agree that Spain has been multi-ethnic for many centuries, but that fact makes the conquisator ethnic/nation overlap more problematic. For example, in Andalusian conquistadors we have people like Beltrán de Cetina and Hernán Pérez de Quesada who are not of ethnic Andalusian descent, and are also partially of converso/Sephardim descent. In this way, the proposed Category:Conquistadors from Andalusia is much more accurate in describing the multi-ethnic nature of conquistadors. Any thoughts? Would Category:Conquistadors from Kingdom of Granada (Crown of Castile) be better?
This distinction highlights the deeper issue of the Spanish ethnicity categories also serving as the historic nationality categories. The latter is better served by things like Category:People from the Kingdom of Navarre rather than Category:Navarrese people. The current mix up causes people like Louis X of France to be placed in ethnic Navarrese categories, which is simply incorrect. SFB 15:31, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see any problem with categorizing conquistadors by ethnicity. Pérez de Quesada was undeniably andaluz. He is described as such by Diego Barros Arana and is featured in the encyclopedic volume Los Andaluces y América (RAH, 1991). Again, ethnicity is the defining characteristic of conquistadors, not their Kingdoms or Provinces, which is why passages like this are commonplace:
"Los primeros conquistadores europeos que pasaron por los mencionados valles fueron Iñigo de Bascona, vasco (1531); Juan de San Martín, castellano (1531); Hernán Pérez de Quesada, andaluz (1541)..."
The Cetina brothers were also andaluces; Gutierre's pen name and main character was named after Andalusia (Vandalio) and his poetry is set on the margins of the Betis river. Almost everyone in Andalusia has Arab, Jewish and even some gypsy blood; it's part (if not the essence) of the Andalusian identity and culture.
Having additional categories for historical kingdoms within the Crown of Castile is fine, although of limited use given their changing boundaries. There is little benefit to categorizing Pizarro and Cortés as conquistadors from the Reino de León when they are universally said to be extremeños. The problem with using e.g. Category:Conquistadors from Extremadura rather than Category:Extremaduran conquistadors, is that it would create inconsistencies, like in the case of Francisco de Bobadilla, who was Aragonese, but from modern-day La Rioja, not Aragón. As mentioned before, "Castilla y León", "Valencian Community", etc. are anachronistic. Similarly, Andalusia, Extremadura and Cantabria were not political entities back then, yet people were (and are) qualified as andaluces, extremeños and cántabros due to their ethnicity. PS: Navarrese people is not an "ethnic category". The predominant ethnicity of the people of Navarre & Basse-Navarre has been Basque for millennia, plus minorities of Aragonese, Occitan and to a lesser extent Castilians. The Basque Navarrese dialects differ as much from each other as they do from other Basque dialects, so it is hard to argue for the validity of "Navarrese people" being a single subgroup of the Basque. Neodop (talk) 03:54, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
All the points above have merit. I feel overall the issues with the many historic territories, all of which deserve to be treated respectfully) would be better resolved after the re-naming. It will look much clearer, in my view, to look at cats for each bio and judge whether the assigned cat is glaringly wrong for the relevant period when the cat reads FOOers from [modern day] BAH rather than the more ambiguous BAHian [of any period] FOOers. It may be that some new cats have to be created for the Age of Discovery kingdoms to properly reflect the identity of the conquistadors etc and that's fine IMO, there aren't a huge amount of bios and there weren't a huge amount of kingdoms. For my part, over the past week I've been looking through the Basque cats and have appropriately re-assigned the modern day Navarrese and French folk plus those actually born and raised elsewhere leaving the Basque autonomous community natives, as well as assigning the generic 'Basque people' to an occupation where possible, with the exception of medieval figures for whom the category clearly relates to their pre-Spanish Ethnicity/linguistic culture. There are always a few debatable ones in terms of the categories' definition and hopefully I've not put anyone's nose out of joint with the changes - no reversions or arguments so far that I'm aware of. I started doing the same with the 'Catalan people' one but there's actually so many occupational and geographic subcats there that it was taking me too long to check and define them, unlike the Basque ones that I either already was, or became, pretty familiar with to make the process a bit quicker. Crowsus (talk) 20:40, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
See my comment above. I disagree that moving the conquistadors has any benefit, it is entirely anachronistic. Currently, they are classified by their ethnicity which is in line with historical usage, the scholarly literature and their own self-described identity. This proposal would leave Category:Castilian conquistadors as is, while changing the perfectly valid Category:Andalusian conquistadors to Category:Conquistadors from Andalusia, which essentially erases the ethnic identity of these people while assigning them to a then non-existent geopolitical entity (as valid for them as it would be for Trajan and Arganthonios). These cats need to be left just like Category:Leonese infantes and hundreds of other historical/ethnic cats have been excluded from the move. Neodop (talk) 03:54, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
OK, an easy solution for that is to remove the FOOian people by occupation category from the vocations which only refer to centuries ago, particularly Conquistadors and Explorers and also I think Sailors, although that will include some modern day mariners. Then they aren't included in the renaming proposal. To be honest, the insistence on this ethnic classification is a bit concerning to me. The conquistadors is actually a fairly straightforward one from the ones I've looked at, since they mainly seem to be raised in a military or naval tradition in a specific town or region and so its fairly safe to classify them. But the monarchs etc, while easier to trace, often had multiple ethnicities, were raised somewhere else and ruled over somewhere else again. Then we have cases like Englés, categorised under 'Navarrese people' but unlikely to be confirmed in sources as to his ethnicity, and in fact the article states that his nickname suggests he had some kind of English background or connection. Using a 'from' cat rather than an '-ese' cat ensures it is based on fact rather than assumption. But I suppose that's a different argument. But anyway, if what it takes for the modern age occupations to be renamed is for those which realistically only existed in a previous age to be removed in all cases (e.g there are 11 within Category: Spanish conquistadors), I'd support it. But I'm worried this is gonna rumble on further due to the vocations which are both ancient and modern (though the articles are usually on modern persons): Category:Andalusian painters, Category:Andalusian musicians, etc. Crowsus (talk) 11:04, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, I only refer to the conquistadors/explorers categories because they all predate the autonomous communities by centuries. It would be very worrying to come across a category called Category:Conquistadors from the Basque Country (autonomous community). I agree that this shouldn't be applied to other occupations. Neodop (talk) 14:40, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Neodop: That is exactly the situation my proposal seeks to avoid (note the renames refers to the Basque Country (greater region) which can refer to the region both historically and present day). I see this issue is present in a few nominations like Category:Madrilenian painters and Category:Valencian painters, both of which explicitly contain the modern day region name which is not the same as the historical one. Do you have any proposals to improve upon that? I am not aware of what the historic region of Madrid was referred to as. I see pre 1700 Valencia people could be placed under Kingdom of Valencia instead, which was a distinct entity until 1707.
On the point of ethnicity made above, I think it is easy to read modern senses of ethnicity and nationhood in older sources where the original writer did not have the same intent and meaning of those ideas. Wikipedia categories on ethnicity are typically in the modern sense, with a significant genetic component, whereas the historical senses of Spanish regions are much closer to political units rather than any specific ethnicity in a genetic sense. A similar discussion in 2011 resulted in the deletion of Category:Sicilian people in favour of Category:People from Sicily, and a historic category at Category:Kingdom of Sicily people. It feels that kind of outcome would be useful here. SFB 20:43, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Sillyfolkboy: You really need to drop the idea of using 'FOOers from the Basque Country (greater region)'. It is not the name for any of the autonomous communities and therefore completely out of sync with the rest of your proposal. As I've stated above, I have gone through all of the 'Basque FOOers' categories of the modern era and replaced the Navarrese and French-Basque ones as appropriate. So there is no concern over mislabelling. 'FOOers from the Basque Country (autonomous community)' is both consistent with the geopolitical basis for these categories, and accurate for the background of all modern-era persons concerned. Crowsus (talk) 21:13, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Crowsus, Dimadick, Peterkingiron, and Darwinek: I have struck the proposed Basque category renames from this nomination to allow the rest to proceed. I expect there is further discussion needed on how to balance ethnic Basque categories with categories for the Spanish autonomous community, but happy to leave that to a subsequent discussion. SFB 23:44, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Moksha-believing religions

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:11, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, Moksha is a term in Hinduism and Jainism, but not a defining characteristic of other religions. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:15, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:History of the Palestinian refugees

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The result of the discussion was: withdrawn in favour of this discussion running its course. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:09, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: See this discussionSelfstudier (talk) 09:59, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I voted reverse merge in the other, I didn't know that was a thing. How do I close this one? Selfstudier (talk) 10:14, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Withdrawn/Combined per nominator; see above. Please place your input (pro/con/other) on the original nomination located right here - RevelationDirect (talk) 12:37, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Christianity in the Republic of Ireland by denomination

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:07, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per the Ireland and Northern Ireland recent decisions and all other states. Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:48, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Most of the "wee frees" are only organised in Northern Ireland. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:51, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Irish expatriate archbishops

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The result of the discussion was: keep/do not rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:06, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only content is Category:Irish expatriate Roman Catholic archbishops Rathfelder (talk) 08:47, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: None were archbishops when they were in Ireland Rathfelder (talk) 08:46, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Irish expatriate Catholic bishops to Category:Irish expatriate Catholic clergy
  • Propose renaming Category:Irish expatriate protestant bishops to Category:Irish expatriate protestant clergy
  • Propose renaming Category:Irish expatriate bishops to Category:Irish expatriate clergy
Nominator's rationale: As far as I can see none were bishops when they left Ireland. Maybe these should also be renamed as emigrant clergy. Very few ever returned to Ireland, and it seems very likely that most became citizens of their destination country. I dont think any of the articles say anything about nationality or citizenship. Rathfelder (talk) 08:44, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Active ships

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The result of the discussion was: delete/merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:06, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Active ships
Prospose merging:
entire category tree
Nominator's rationale: merge, it is always a bad idea to have a category with "Active" and this is no exception. Maintenance would require huge efforts and it is highly unlikely that anyone would persist in that. Consensus at WikiProject Ships is to have the tree deleted. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:25, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Philosophy of religion literature

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 May 13#Philosophy of religion literature

Category:Buddhism in culture

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:53, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: upmerge, container category with only three subcategories, it would be more obvious to find the three subcats directly under the target. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:46, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Pederastic heroes and deities

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:03, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This is another pederasty category from editor Haiduc who was blocked by ArbCom. I think pederasty is pretty well-defined but I question what "heroes" means here and if this is a useful category for navigation and organization of articles. I think the parent category Category:LGBT themes in mythology serves an educational purpose but I question the subjective identification of "pederastic heroes" and I don't think Wikipedia will be the poorer for the deletion of this category. Liz Read! Talk! 03:40, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So, do we categorize heroes by who they prefer having sexual relations with, in this case, children? Liz Read! Talk! 20:25, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Pansexual actresses

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The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 20:07, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Although all the current pages in the category are female, this category's name assumes that only women are pansexual. In addition, "actor" is a more acceptable gender-neutral term these days, so I believe this category should be renamed to include any male actors who may come out as pansexual in the future. Tom Danson (talk) 03:03, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:The Karate Kid characters

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:02, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per parent category. ★Trekker (talk) 01:42, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:The Karate Kid films

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:01, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: To follow parent categories. ★Trekker (talk) 01:29, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Video game characters in television

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 May 1#Category:Video game characters in other media

Category:Video game characters in literature

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 May 1#Category:Video game characters in other media

Category:Video game characters in anime and manga

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 May 1#Category:Video game characters in other media

Category:Video game characters in comics

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 May 1#Category:Video game characters in other media

Category:Video game characters in other media

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 May 1#Category:Video game characters in other media

Category:Video game characters in film

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 May 1#Category:Video game characters in other media

Category:Recipients of the Cross of Merit of the Minister of Defence of the Czech Republic

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:00, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Recipients of the Cross of Merit of the Minister of Defence of the Czech Republic
Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEFINING (WP:PERFCAT, WP:OVERLAPCAT, WP:OCAWARD)
The Cross of Merit of the Minister of Defence of the Czech Republic with the stated purpose of recognizing heroism and other support to Czech defence. In practice the award is often given to visiting American military officials (General David Petraeus, General Wesley Clark, Lt. General Karl Eikenberry, Under Secretary Marshall Billingslea, & General Gregory S. Martin) and visiting Romanian royalty (Michael I of Romania & Margareta of Romania). The only 4 Czech people in the category consist of two diplomats (1 & 2) and two Czech generals (3 & 4) who are already well categorized under Category:Czech generals. This doesn't seem defining to any of these groups and the category contents are now all listified here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:47, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The vast majority of articles are non-Czech. The standard in WP:OCAWARD is "a category of award recipients should exist only if receiving the award is a defining characteristic for the large majority of its notable recipients". State honours are subject to that editing guideline just like private awards. - RevelationDirect (talk) 12:36, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Members of the Order of Diplomatic Service Merit

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:59, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Members of the Order of Diplomatic Service Merit
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:PERFCAT, WP:OVERLAPCAT, and WP:OCAWARD)
When high ranking international people meet with the government of South Korea, the Order of Diplomatic Service Merit is given out as a souvenir. U.S. Senator Joe Lieberman, King Gyanendra of Nepal, and Russian Prime Minister Sergei Stepashin are not remotely defined by this award. Ambassadors to Korea Lee Khoon Choy and Zoila Martínez are defined by their role which is why they are already under Category:Ambassadors to Korea. (None of the people in this category are Korean.) All the category contents are now listified right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:47, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There's not a single Korean biography article in this category. It's not that it was given to "some others"; foreign people receiving it based on their roles is the whole category. - RevelationDirect (talk) 12:48, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Federal buildings in the United States

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The result of the discussion was: do not merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:58, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Duplicate category? Name of target category needs to be harmonized with wherever the two categories in Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_April_17#Category:Federal_buildings_in_Canada will be merged. Some items can be placed in a subcategory of the latter. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:11, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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