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Category:Head Masters of Eton College educated at Eton

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 29#Category:Head Masters of Eton College educated at Eton

Category:Canadian Queen's Counsel

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:34, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 September 22#Category:Queen's Counsel. --Ferien (talk) 21:16, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:17th-century British literature

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:35, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: No actual content Rathfelder (talk) 20:31, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:17th-century British women

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:36, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Great Britain did not exist until 1707. Rathfelder (talk) 20:31, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • But Ireland had the same king too, so that isn't a proper criterion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Video games by game engine

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: No consensus/weak keep. I doubt any further discussion will give clearer consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:57, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale:

NOTE that there’s also a discussion on deleting the list articles of games by engine:

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of CryEngine games — Preceding unsigned comment added by Respiciens (talk • contribs) 13:21, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Short description: this is a deletion nomination of Category:Video games by game engine, all it’s direct subcategories, and two second level subcategories (1, 2) which don’t have other parents.

Last year Category:Unity (game engine) games was deleted after this nomination. The discussion and the closing statement of that nomination said that it’s procedurally logical to follow with nominating its parent category and other subcategories. Currently only Unity engine doesn’t have a subcategory there, and that’s confusing. I previously discussed this in video games project and with the nominator of Unity category.

I propose several exceptions:

--Respiciens (talk) 09:18, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per proposal; all these categories are not defining (WP:NONDEF), as explained in the Unity nomination linked to above.
Sandstein 10:29, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • As an addition to my comment, Category:Video game lists by game engine should be deleted with *most* of the lists. I think only Source and GoldSource looks relatively well cited, although I need a closer look. The rest are lists of potential dubious authenticity, that should go into a blog post as original research. Although I mentioned I like keeping things, it's only if they are properly cited - Master Of Ninja (talk) 20:29, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • @User:Respiciens - I've gone down the rabbit hole, now that I've started looking around, and see the proposal for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of CryEngine games. I note that someone has mentioned instead of lists, they use categories. There might be circular arguments being made - is there an alternative forum that more people can be involved in this discussion of lists v categories v other methods of sorting articles by a specific measurement? I suspect if you want to create precedent you need lots of people involved, and might need editors to contribute to a SOP at a specific wiki project portal, or even general WP forum? - Master Of Ninja (talk) 20:37, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, I mentioned above that I created that lists deletion nomination. I don’t know where this more general topic of lists vs categories can be discussed, and whether that’s needed in this particular case. Respiciens (talk) 20:48, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Apologies for missing that. I suspect even highlighting again this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games, and might be worth also trying to involve people at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) with the rationale that there are a lot of lists and categories that are being proposed to get deleted. This is to avoid a situation that a big change might only be discussed by c.10 people, and in future someone takes issue with this (the background is that I was involved with a previous attempted deletion years ago, that was minimally discussed and pushed through, that got a lot of people worked up, had the deletion discussion re-opened with lots of people being involved over months that led to the whole debate being closed on the basis that WP was never going to achieve consensus on the issue). If it is done this way at least it can be demonstrated we have given an extended period of time for debate. As per the Cry Engine delete page, I *now* actually favour plan to keep for now, delete in say x months, with a plan to move referenced engine information to WikiData - Master Of Ninja (talk) 06:49, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Added 2 notifications: WikiProject Video games, Village pump (proposals). Respiciens (talk) 11:31, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Also made the link to another discussion in both ledes more prominent. Respiciens (talk) 13:22, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Leaning keep.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 20:28, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • If there is consensus that these are non-encyclopedic cross-categorizations (and it seems there was, in that discussion) then categories are equally inappropriate. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:50, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • There was in that discussion, but that doesn't make it actually correct. The engine driving a video game is often part of the promotion or marketing materials. An NECC is something like "Left-handed Irish people" where lefthandedness and Irish ancestry have nothing to do with each other. "Left-handed guitarists" might be an acceptable category, because how one plays guitar is at least somewhat influenced by handedness, depending on if RSes have covered it. The discussion in that AfD was terrible in this regard and not policy-based, but no one brought it up and I didn't notice it until it had been closed. Jclemens (talk) 19:47, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Banu Abi'l-Shawarib

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. Currently 3 articles. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:44, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, only two articles in the category, about two brothers, and the articles are already directly interlinked. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:18, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 20:13, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Acorn Archimedes games

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 29#Category:Acorn Archimedes games

Category:Philosophy and culture

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The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:47, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: all the contents of this category are just creative works about philosophy or topics in philosophy of culture, and there's no clear critieria for what "philosophy and culture" means so it's just attracts an indiscriminate collection of articles - car chasm (talk) 22:05, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Fayenatic London 17:42, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:EMF miniEURO

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:48, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The event appears to have been renamed. I can't find a specific citation for this, otherwise I would list it for Speedy renaming. – Fayenatic London 13:34, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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CfD section High commissioners for Commonwealth countries

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Category:People from Zabaykalsky Krai

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The result of the discussion was: merge all. bibliomaniac15 03:30, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each Rathfelder (talk) 10:01, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Yaroslavl Oblast

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The result of the discussion was: merge all. bibliomaniac15 03:30, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each Rathfelder (talk) 09:53, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:8th century in Morocco

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Category:Medieval chemists

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:51, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, only one article in the category and it is already more appropriately in an engineers category. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:21, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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