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Category:Fictional people by ethnic or national descent

Nominator's rationale: This entire category tree is a mess Mason (talk) 22:09, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Added subcats
Nominator's rationale: violates WP:OR Mason (talk) 23:37, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, do you have any other suggestions for where to place these subcategories contained by this category? AHI-3000 (talk) 22:26, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, I think that the entire category tree is overcategorization. I would strongly encourage you to slow down and engage with the people posting warnings about your category changes. I recommend that you review the rules and norms for categories before creating so many catcategory. Mason (talk) 23:44, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose merging Category:Fictional people by ethnic or national descent to Category:Fictional people by ethnic or national origin
  • Propose merging Category:Fictional Pakistani diaspora to Category:Fictional Pakistani people by ethnic or national origin
  • Propose merging Category:Fictional Chinese diaspora to Category:Fictional Chinese people by ethnic or national origin
  • Propose merging Category:Fictional Arab diaspora to Category:Fictional Arabs
  • Propose merging Category:Fictional Indian diaspora to Category:Fictional Indian people by ethnic or national origin
  • Propose merging Category:Fictional Japanese diaspora to Category:Fictional Japanese people by ethnic or national origin
  • Propose merging Category:Fictional German diaspora to Category:Fictional German people by ethnic or national origin
  • Propose merging Category:Fictional American diaspora to Category:Fictional American people by ethnic or national origin
Place Clichy (talk) 08:52, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
support. I'd support this alternative. And, I'd also like to thank @Place Clichy for all their thoughtful work in on this (and other categories)! Mason (talk) 13:54, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
BTW you repeated Chinese four extra times by mistake. AHI-3000 (talk) 23:05, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Correct. Fixed. Place Clichy (talk) 08:52, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:LGBT gods

Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category (WP:OVERLAPCAT) and maybe WP:OCEGRS; I'm also nominating this one. When I searched looked that the page for Aphrodite, she didn't have anything written about being LGBT. And the more I'm thinking about this I am inclined to propose deleting the entire tree as none of the gods listed have LGBT as a defining characteristic as far as I can tell. Mason (talk) 21:53, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all. Besides WP:NONDEF, honestly, this category looks like nonsense, as Marcocapelle said in their comment. Maybe there's material for a category along these lines, but this isn't it. Edward-Woodrowtalk 13:18, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
BTW there's another discussion regarding Category:LGBT deities. AHI-3000 (talk) 23:07, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People by ethnicity or nationality

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 7#Category:People by ethnicity or nationality

Category:Bird sanctuaries of Rajasthan

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The result of the discussion was: deleting. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:28, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT, unnecessary overcategorization. Edward-Woodrowtalk 21:30, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Military leaders from the Tsardom of Russia

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:28, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: overlapping category Mason (talk) 21:24, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Emigrants from the Kingdom of Scotland to the Kingdom of Ireland

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:28, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category Mason (talk) 21:23, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Mahavishnu temples in Kerala

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:28, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There are all temples of Vishnu. "Maha" is a honorific here. Redtigerxyz Talk 17:46, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Murugan temples

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Kartikeya temples. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:29, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: In line with main article Kartikeya. Same deity temples. Redtigerxyz Talk 17:44, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Marcocapelle, "Kartikeya" is the pan-Indian name of the deity; while Murugan is his Tamil name. Kartikeya-Murugan is most popular with Tamil people; whose temples have the name "Murugan" in it. We have should have consistent naming of categories, extending WP:TITLECON.--Redtigerxyz Talk 03:53, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Xion Dukes Klosterneuburg players

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Klosterneuburg Dukes players. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:37, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: 寒吉 (talk) 15:58, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wushu practitioners in India

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:29, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Duplicate categories. The new category has a copycat description of the old one, which better fits the format of its siblings; its creator is now blocked. Place Clichy (talk) 15:37, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Serer diplomats

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:30, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Looking at this category, I would have expected to find officials of precolonial states of the Serer people such as the Kingdom of Sine. However, the category instead contains two articles about diplomats who represented Senegal in international organisations (Jacques Diouf and Cheikh Tidiane Gadio). Serer ethnicity is not even mentioned in article body, so WP:OCEGRS clearly applies. The articles are already present in Category:Senegalese diplomats, so nothing to merge. Place Clichy (talk) 14:25, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Foreign Ministers of Tokelau

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:30, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: OVERLAPCAT. Tokelau does not have a foreign policy, as a dependent territory of New Zealand. The position of foreign minister is taken ex officio by the head of government (together with justice and other portfolios), see Council for the Ongoing Government of Tokelau. The lone article is already in Category:Heads of Government of Tokelau and Category:Government ministers of Tokelau, no need to merge. The second category would find itself empty. Place Clichy (talk) 13:45, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:People's Republic of China people

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The result of the discussion was: merge and split. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:34, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This seems like an overlapping intersection with 20th/21st century categories Mason (talk) 13:28, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Adding subcategories
Nominator's rationale: allows for the child categories to be merged properly Mason (talk) 18:50, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Adding more subcategories
Nominator's rationale: Found another budle. My general approach is to split PRC into 21st and 20th, and merge 20th century for RoC. I'm intentionally avoiding journalists, military, and politicians, as I think that those intersections are meaningful. Mason (talk) 20:59, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Emigrants from the Republic of China (1912–1949)

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The result of the discussion was: delete and merge. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:31, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining for emmigrants; overlapping category. distinction isn't defining for the emigration country Mason (talk) 13:25, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Male serial killers

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:31, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The majority of serial killers are men, so this category is redundant. DIscussed at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 September 17#Category:Serial killers by nationality, pinging contributors there: @ClydeFranklin, @Grutness, @Marcocapelle, @Panamitsu, @Smasongarrison. Qwerfjkltalk 13:23, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support as long as we keep the female version as a non-disfussing category Mason (talk) 13:29, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Kingdom of Scotland emigrants to the Thirteen Colonies

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:32, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Considerable overlap, without any clear defining feature for emigration Mason (talk) 13:08, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Immigrants to Nova Scotia

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:32, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: overlapping cat Mason (talk) 13:01, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Ambassadors of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland

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The result of the discussion was: merge and delete. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:32, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: These are the only categories of ambassadors, or any other topic BTW, that treat differently the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland from other UK categories. That was the name of the country before adding Northern in 1927. I guess that this never took up the way the creator intended to. Place Clichy (talk) 12:49, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. per nom Mason (talk) 13:03, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Civil servants from the Ottoman Empire

Nominator's rationale: rename, this belongs to Government of the Ottoman Empire, i.e. it is a country category rather than a nationality category. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:22, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. But it also belongs to Category:Civil servants by nationality and Category:People from the Ottoman Empire by occupation, which are both nationality categories. Mason (talk) 17:52, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Boran

Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCEPON, the category only contains the eponymous article and a subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:36, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This category includes a subcategory about her generals. Because the category doesn't cover exactly the same topic, it isn't eponymous. See this text from WP:OCEPON

A category that covers exactly the same topic as an article is known as the eponymous category for that article (e.g. New York City and Category:New York City; Mekong and Category:Mekong River; Abraham Lincoln and Category:Abraham Lincoln ). Eponymous categories should not be created unless enough directly-related articles or sub-categories exist. However, this should not be done simply to reduce the number of categories displayed in an article.

Mason (talk) 14:41, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • The subcategory with generals is ok and has not been nominated. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:41, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I know that the subcat hasn't been nominated. I'm using the fact that it exists as evidence that the Boran category shouldn't be deleted. Mason (talk) 19:57, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Burial sites of the House of Mecklenburg

Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory each. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:07, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for the Bourbons. That there is only one subcategory there seems to be a mistake, not every member of the house of Bourbon is a member of the House of Orleans. That category should be populated with the burial places of Bourbons who are not Orleaneans. Jahaza (talk) 19:05, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Support the updated nomination, with no prejudice for a later re-creation if more content emerges. Upmerge all three categories, a welcome simplification. Place Clichy (talk) 13:03, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wattpad writers

Nominator's rationale: Trivial intersection that's non-defining. that feels pretty self-promotey. Do we have WordPresss bloggers? Mason (talk) 14:29, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've never heard of Wattpad before, but it seems to have been (be?) a platform not just a software and almost a genre. This is more like "Instagram poets" as a recognizable thing than "WordPress bloggers". Looking at the articles fo these writers, they do seem to have been famous for their writings on Wattpad as Wattpad. Jahaza (talk) 18:58, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Brock Badgers ice hockey players

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Brock Badgers men's ice hockey players. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 18:15, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: To reflect the content of the category. User:Namiba 16:37, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Support. seems reasonable, assuming that other ice hockey teams do this as well. Mason (talk) 13:10, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Religious leaders of ancient Rome

Nominator's rationale: Some of these should be children of Category: Religious leaders by country and others in Category: Religious leaders by nationality Mason (talk) 17:50, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose it would be very difficult to divide the individual entries up this way. 22:15, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Category:Latin historians

Nominator's rationale: It's vague and doesn't match the latin language naming convention. (I'd also be ok with Historians in Latin, although it is clunky) Mason (talk) 22:14, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Tristanian medical doctors

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:39, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The sole member Hilary Jones (doctor) only spent one year there. No doubt the experience was memorable, but probably not WP:DEFINING. – Fayenatic London 12:11, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
support. per nom Mason (talk) 12:47, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 12:49, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. It had been my hope to expand this category and provide more coverage for South Atlantic articles but had an issue with sourcing and time. Also their categories are terrible. Replaced with most appropriate available. UaMaol (talk) 14:08, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:English diplomats

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 7#Category:English diplomats

Category:Provençal language

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:40, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename per article name Provençal dialect. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:39, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Gascon language

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:40, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename per article name Gascon dialect. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:38, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Canadian people by century and religion

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:41, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: single cat Mason (talk) 03:42, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:People from the Japanese colonial empire

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Category was already emptied without objection. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:42, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: overlapping cat Mason (talk) 02:37, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Emigrants from Germany (post-1990)

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:German emigrants and the like. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:43, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Emigrants from Germany (post-1990) to Category:Emigrants from reunified Germany
  • Propose renaming Category:German emigrants to the United States (post-1990) to Category:Emigrants from reunified Germany to the United States
  • Propose renaming Category:German emigrants to the United Kingdom (post-1990) to Category:Emigrants from reunified Germany to the United Kingdom
  • Propose renaming Category:German emigrants to the Netherlands (post-1990) to Category:Emigrants from reunified Germany to the Netherlands
Nominator's rationale: I really don't find this intersecting categorization helpful. My preference is to up merge it into German emigrants. However, if it is to stay... an alternative renaming reunified is less clunky, and might look less terrible for the child categories that are currently named "German emigrants to the United States (post-1990)‎" Mason (talk) 02:22, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Bohemian lawyers

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The result of the discussion was: rename and merge. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:44, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: small cat, only three lawyers in the entire Lawyers from Bohemia tree + [1] for the rename Mason (talk) 00:43, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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