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August 30

Category:Wikipedians by high school and subcats

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The result of the debate was delete all. After Midnight 0001 00:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Being a member of a particular high school does not inherently foster contribution. The social networking aspect of it is not something to be desired by our user category system. ^demon[omg plz] 22:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note, this nomination includes the following subcategories:
Category:Wikipedians by high school, Category:European Baccalaureate Wikipedians, Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Stuyvesant High School, Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Burlington High School (Kansas), Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Charter School of Wilmington, Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Lake Forest High School (Illinois), Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: King George V School, Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Cheltenham College, Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Mountain View High School (Washington), Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Whitgift School, Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: École secondaire catholique Garneau, Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Hamden Hall Country Day School, Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Live Oak High School, Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Gymea Technology High School, Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Bellaire High School (Bellaire, Texas). Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Innisdale Secondary School, Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Jesuit College Preparatory School of Dallas, Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Spaulding High School, Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Gahr High School, Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Guildford Grammar School, Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Affton High School, Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Ben Davis High School, Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Forest Hills High School, Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Raleigh Charter High School, Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Ramaz School, Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: King Edward VI Grammar School (Chelmsford), Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Rolling Meadows High School, Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Cherokee High School, Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Marquette University High School, Category:Holland house, Category:Mildmay house, and Category:Tindal house
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August 29

Category:User blz and subcats

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Wikipedians who understand blazon. Note that I am putting it in Category:Wikipedians interested in linguistics, because it has to go somewhere, but ultimately anyone can edit to change the parent category. After Midnight 0001 11:38, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:User blz (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) and subcats
Suggest Merge Category:User blz, Category:User blz-1, Category:User blz-2, Category:User blz-3, and Category:User blz-5 to Category:Wikipedians interested in heraldry, a subcategory of Category:Wikipedians by interest.
Nominator's rationale: These categories are for users who speak Blazon, which is not a language so much as a jargon, relating to heraldry. It's a set of highly structured rules for describing heraldic coats of arms or flags, rather than an actual language. Additionally, "blz" is the ISO 639 classification for Balanktak, which is (yet another) Indonesian language which does not yet have a Wikipedia article. Suggest merging all of these cats into one category and moving it into Category:Wikipedians by interest, which is a more appropriate target than the languages section.
I want to make sure that whatever the target cat is named, that it not include the word "speak", as it will open the door to move it back into the language cat. "Understand" is only a little better, for the same reason. I suggested "interested in" as that is the convention for all of the subcats in Category:Wikipedians by interest, which seems (to me) to be the logical place to move it. If you like Category:Wikipedians interested in Blazon, which sounds clunky to me, I'll support it, but my first choice remains the heraldry cat I suggested. Horologium t-c 20:16, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I wholly agree that we shouldn't use "speak". I would prefer Wikipedians who understand... for the "almost language" cats, such as glyphs, writing systems, jargon, dialects, and such. I used to lean towards use, and even recently have wavered between use and understand, but understand seems the clearest and most precise. - jc37 09:42, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, After Midnight 0001 05:28, 29 August 2007 (UTC) ----- relisting to try to get consensus on the new name[reply]
  • Comment I can support Category:Wikipedians who understand Blazon, provided it is moved out of Category:Wikipedians by language. My suggestion would to be to move it into Category:Wikipedians interested in linguistics (a subcat of Category:Wikipedians by interest, my original suggestion), but it really doesn't belong in the languages section. Its vocabulary consists entirely of words from other languages (primarily French), and it is not possible to carry out a conversation using it, essentially failing it as a language; that is why I nominated it for a rename and move in the first place. Horologium t-c 13:17, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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August 28

Category:Wikipedians who support Crewe Alex

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The result of the debate was rename. After Midnight 0001 18:16, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Wikipedians who support Crewe Alex to Category:Wikipedian Crewe Alexandra F.C. fans
Nominator's rationale: Per the convention of Category:Wikipedian football (soccer) team fans. – Black Falcon (Talk) 03:41, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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August 27

Category:Wikipedians who support pure wiki deletion

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The result of the debate was delete. After Midnight 0001 19:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who support pure wiki deletion (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Wikipedia is not a battleground and it is counterproductive to encourage the formation of formal factions around points of disagreement. This category does not foster collaboration and there is no reason someone would need to browse through it. Editors who disagree with the current deletion policy and process should present their arguments to the community at the appropriate place (Wikipedia talk:Deletion policy and Wikipedia talk:Deletion process).

Please note that this discussion is not about censoring dissent or anything of that sort. Editors are welcome to dissent all they want on their userpages and on appropriate discussion pages (the village pump, policy talk pages, user talk pages, and so on).

Please also note precedents for deleting similar categories here, here, here, here, here and here. There is also ample precedent for deleting any "support/oppose" and "for/against" categories (see e.g. here, here, here, here and here).

  • Comment I took another look at the article linked by the cat (Pure wiki deletion). The last edit to that page was in July 2006, so it's not really even semi-active at this point. (The last comment on the talk page was in April 2007). More relevant to this community, however, is the link at the top of the article page, to en:Wikipedia:Pure wiki deletion system, which is a Rejected Proposal. (Discussion there was much more active and recent, ending when the discussion was marked as rejected in June 2007.) Without getting into a debate on the merits (or lack thereof) of this proposal, it was rejected, and having a category of users who support a rejected proposal seems (to me) to be both pointless and unnecessarily divisive. The userbox is sufficient to express support of the issue. (One can construct an argument that it too is divisive, but this is not the appropriate forum to discuss deletion of the userbox.) Horologium t-c 14:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Changing to delete, since the page has been inactive for a few months. (I might dispute the "rejected" tag, but that would be about the page, not the category.) - jc37 22:34, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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August 26

Category:Users

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The result of the debate was speedily deleted by User:After Midnight per CSD G4 (recreation of deleted material). — Black Falcon (Talk) 16:18, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Users (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete, as duplicate of Category:Wikipedians. -- Prove It (talk) 15:13, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Delete, as recreated deleted content. See Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 November 4#Category:User Category:Users. This category was deleted as all-encompassing and redundant to Category:Wikipedians. It was recreated yesterday. Horologium t-c 15:31, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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August 24

Category:Wikipedians not active on weekdays

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The result of the debate was delete. After Midnight 0001 09:52, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians not active on weekdays (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: I can't think a single reason on why someone could look for Wikipedias not being active on weekdays. If they want to see a specific person that is he/she active on weekdays, a quick look on the userpage is enough. No category is necessary. ~Iceshark7 08:38, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who use a Tablet PC

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The result of the debate was delete. — Black Falcon (Talk) 06:01, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who use a Tablet PC - (per Tablet PC) Cool, you've used a touchscreen. Personally, I've used a light pen, mouse, a keyboard, and a myriad of other input devices. And we can't leave out all the various Writing implements. Categories for everything. : ) - jc37 09:11, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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August 22

Category:Files uploaded by User:Jeff G.

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The result of the debate was moved to WP:CFD-Andrew c [talk] 01:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Files uploaded by User:Jeff G. (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Suggest Delete This category contains one page and one picture. I also do not believe it is appropriate to categorize articles/images based on who uploaded them. User are free to create a list in their user space.-Andrew c [talk] 01:00, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:User galleries

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The result of the debate was } moved to WP:CFD-Andrew c [talk] 01:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:User galleries (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Suggest Delete This category contains one page and one subpage (nominated also for deletion above). This category is redundant with Category:User page galleries, a nd the one article in this category isn't even a "gallery" so no sense in merging.-Andrew c [talk] 01:00, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Montenegrin Language cats

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The result of the debate was delete all. After Midnight 0001 02:30, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:User cg (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) and subcats
Category:User iš (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) and subcat
Suggest Delete Category:User cg, Category:User cg-1, Category:User cg-2, Category:User cg-3, Category:User cg-4, Category:User cg-N, Category:User iš, and Category:User iš-N
Nominator's rationale: These separately created categories (which overlap) are for speakers of Montenegrin language, which is simply Serbian spoken in Montenegro (which recently divorced Serbia). There is no ISO 639 classification for Montenegrin, and (according to the Montenegrin language article) the official language of the country is Serbian. I would suggest deletion of these categories until some official recognition of the language is developed. (Preferably an ISO categorization, but right now even the government of Montenegro does not recognize Montenegrin as its own language.) "cg" and "iš" are not valid ISO 639 categorizations.
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Category:User fjh

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The result of the debate was rename. After Midnight 0001 10:46, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:User fjh (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Suggest rename Category:User fjh to Category:User hif
Nominator's rationale: This is a category for Fiji Hindi, a variant of Hindi spoken on Fiji. The category notes that fjh is not an ISO 639 classification. "hif" is the correct ISO 639-3 classification for this language.
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Category:User ye and subcat

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The result of the debate was delete. After Midnight 0001 10:52, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:User ye (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) and subcat
Suggest Delete Category:User ye and Category:User ye-3
Nominator's rationale: These two cats are for speakers of Yeshivish, which appears to be a category invented by a single writer in a single book. This is not an ISO-recognized language, although it appears to have a lot in common with Yinglish, which DOES have its own ISO 639-3 classification of "yib". (Ethnologue notes that Yinglish is a second language only, as all of its speakers also speak English. Just trying to head off the creation of Category:User yib-N.) I'd suggest a rename, but looking at the Talk:Yinglish and Talk:Yeshivish makes me think again. (The heated debate in there made me pull this cat out of the group nomination below, because I suspect it will generate a lot more discussion than those). I think it might be better to nuke this unrecognized cat, and leave open the possbility of creating some "yib" cats, possibly merging together the two articles under the "Yinglish" banner (although the Yeshivish article is far superior in quality, it doesn't have the international seal of approval of Yinglish).
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Category:User als and subcats

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The result of the debate was depopulate for repurposing. Admin will depop, expecting that nominator or other users will take care of the repurposing/renaming/etc. After Midnight 0001 05:18, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:User als (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) and subcats

(Note: These categories have not been flagged for deletion/merge/rename, because I was unable to determine the appropriate flag. Suggestions would be appreciated.)

Suggest depopulate and rename as Tosk Albanian, not Alemannic.
Nominator's rationale:This is a textbook example of why some type of standard should be applied to naming cats. "als" is the ISO 639-3 classification for Tosk Albanian, spoken in Albania (naturally). However, none of these cats have anything to do with Albanian. Instead, they are for Alemannic German, which has four separate ISO 639-3 classifications, of which it appears that all four have been mixed together and tossed into another language's spot. Since there are over 130 people in these seven categories (yes, there is a -0 cat), my suggestion would be to depopulate them, recreate them as Albanian Tosk categories (to prevent their recreation as Alemannic cats) and have the users create appropriate cats under the four Alemannic language groups (of which it is likely that one will never be used—it's a classification for an Venezuelan variant), and it's probable that most of them will want GSW (Schweizerdeutsch, or Swiss German). The category description specifically mentions all four variations of Alemannic, so it's not obvious which flavor each user wanted when they grabbed the userbox, and simply renaming the cats as "gsw" cats might put some people in the wrong cat. I also would suggest deletion of the asinine Category:User als-0, which somehow was missed in the earlier purge of -0 cats.
A bot can go in and remove all users from the category easily enough. The reason it's not tagged (as noted at the top of the nomination) is because I'm not sure how to tag these for my proposal. The cats are not being renamed, merged, or deleted, they're getting emptied and repurposed or recycled. The cats are not going away, they are just going to be used for something different than what they are being used for now. If you have a suggestion of what template to use for that, I'm open to suggestions. Horologium t-c 20:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So if I understand correctly all the users from the category would lose their babel userboxes for als and have none instead - no other supstitute like gsw? If the answer is yes, I will change my vote to Depopulate and rename as nom. --Biblbroks's talk 21:21, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This will not affect the userbox, only the category. The userbox deletion would have to be discussed at TfD, as it's a template. (No userboxes are removed through UCfD actions.) If this is approved, I will submit a TfD for the template (rather than a simple repurpose) because it's tied to the Alemmanic category. However, I shouldn't submit a TfD until this is approved; the actions need to be sequential. For all of the renames, I will go through and fix the userboxes associated with them by renames, but I haven't decided if I should submit the userboxes for deleted cats for deletion as well. I'm a lot more tolerant of nonsense on user pages, as long as it stays out of the categorization section. Horologium t-c 21:32, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have gone ahead and flagged all seven cats with ((cfd-user)). That should settle that issue. Horologium t-c 23:51, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Ok. And since the tagging occurred on the same day, I don't see a reason to relist either. - jc37 09:42, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Non-ISO dialects (3)

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The result of the debate was delete all. After Midnight 0001 10:57, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:User jer (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) and subcat
Category:User hess (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) and subcats
Category:User portunhol (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Suggest Delete Category:User jer and Category:User jer-1
Nominator's rationale: These two categories are for speakers of Jèrriais, a dialect of French spoken on the island of Jersey in the English Channel. This is not an ISO-recognized language, and it has no official status anywhere. "jer" is the ISO 639 classification for Jere, a Nigerian language in the Benue-Congo languages family (part of the Kainji family, which is still redlinked).
Suggest Delete Category:User hess, Category:User hess-1, Category:User hess-2, Category:User hess-3, and Category:User hess-N.
Nominator's rationale: These four cats are for speakers of Hessian, a dialect of German spoken in the state of Hesse. This is not an ISO-recognized language, and it has no official status anywhere. The names of the cats are inconsistent with the parent category's naming conventions as well.
Suggest Delete Category:User portunhol
Nominator's rationale: This is for Portunhol, a mixed language of Portuguese and Spanish, spoken along the border of Brazil and Uruguay. This is not an ISO-recognized langauge, and it has no official status anywhere. As with the "hess" categories above, the category's name is inconsistent with the parent category's naming conventions.
Is legalese or law a dialect?[edit]

I've seen this question come up. (I've seen "law" under "fake languages", somewhere). No, it isn't a language of its own. It's "Latin", and Doctors might appreciate being in that same category with Lawyers, so if the category comes up again, then I think it should be redirected, because they deal with each other and sometimes they can converse in person with this stuff. I translate it to plain English where I can. Hear the word "Jargon" carefully. I think someone made that sound foreign to Ingglish. I would call the category "Latin Jargon", but it's a dead language that doesn't change, because people don't use it, unless they want a static, but portable name for something (like a precedent or a disease), AND I'm wary of creating categories under wikipedians by language. I'm glad there's a constructed language category. Hmmm. Nah. I'd hav to write and promote a dictionary. Webster had to take back some of his revisions. I don't. BrewJay 00:48, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:User ke and subcats

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The result of the debate was delete all. After Midnight 0001 05:04, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:User ke (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) and subcats
Suggest Merge Category:User ke to Category:User grc, Category:User ke-1 to Category:User grc-1, Category:User ke-2 to Category:User grc-2, and Category:User ke-3 to Category:User grc-3.
Nominator's rationale: These categories are for speakers of Koine Greek, a slightly "younger" version of Ancient Greek. Ethnologue classifies it as a variant of Ancient Greek, which has the ISO 639-3 classification of "grc". "ke" is not a valid ISO classification. Suggest merging all of the ke cats into their equivalent grc cats. Alternatively, delete all of them.
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August 21

Category:Wikipedians who use Clusty

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The result of the debate was delete. After Midnight 0001 04:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who use Clusty (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This category for users of a particular search engine does not foster collaboration any more than similar categories for Google and Yahoo!, both of which were deleted (discussions are here and here). Merely using a particular search engine implies neither an encyclopedically-relevant interest in the subject nor access to sources about it. — Black Falcon (Talk) 18:52, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians who use computers with AMD processors

Category:Wikipedians who use computers with Intel processors

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The result of the debate was delete both. After Midnight 0001 04:18, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Having a particular processor in your computer does not foster your contribution in any way. ^demon[omg plz] 17:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See my reasoning above at the Tablet PC Discussion. FWIW, the AMD category might be tailored enough to be appropriate in scope, although I think that might limit its effectiveness as a collaborative aid to the single AMD article. Horologium t-c 18:46, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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More Nonsense -N cats

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The result of the debate was delete all. — Carl (CBM · talk) 04:32, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:User cu-N (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:User gmh-N (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:User got-M (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:User tlh-N (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:User wam-N (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose Delete the following five cats:
Category:User cu-N (Old Church Slavonic, dead for centuries; cat empty except for templates.)
Category:User gmh-N (Middle High German, dead for centuries; cat empty except for templates.)
Category:User got-M (Gothic, dead and misnamed to boot. One user in cat, who has 23 language userboxes on userpage.)
Category:User tlh-N (Klingon; 'nuff said.)
Category:User wam-N (Wampanoag, extinct for over a century. One user in cat, with 28 language userboxes on userpage.)
Nominator's rationale: These are more of the nonsensical -N categories (I think these are the last ones, but I haven't gone through all of the child cats in the languages thing yet.) They should all be eliminated. Horologium t-c 04:04, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I was attempting to limit the number of new discussions I opened, considering the confusing array of side discussions caused by the freaky formatting of my previous (enormous) batches of nominations. Since all of these categories are -N (or -M in the one case) cats, I grouped them together. I can pull the Klingon one out and re-nominate it separately if required, but I really don't think it will be necessary. If another editor concurs with your suggestion, I'll do so. Horologium t-c 15:04, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment While there may be a Klingon Wikipedia, it's not a Wikipedia project; it's on Wikia, which is off-project and therefore irrelevant to this discussion. (It was shut down here in 2005, and isn't particularly active at Wikia, with only 5 editors contributing 13 edits in the past month.) Further there are *no* native speakers of Klingon, at least not on Earth in 2007. The four users in this category (one of whom hasn't edited in over 18 months) can move to Category:User tlh-4 and join the seven users there if they have a burning need to keep a category on their page. Note that the deletion concerns only one of the five Klingon language categories; I'm not advocating nuking the entire set, only the ridiculous -N category. Horologium t-c 19:17, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ahh, understood. Works for me. Delete 'em all. samwaltz 19:39, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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More Category Renames

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The result of the debate was rename. After Midnight 0001 01:46, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:User osm (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) and subcats
Category:User mth (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) and subcat
Propose rename the following cats:
Category:User osm and child cats Category:User osm-1, Category:User osm-2, Category:User osm-3, and Category:User osm-N to Category:User ota, Category:User ota-1, Category:User ota-2, Category:User ota-3, and Category:User ota-N. The users speak Ottoman Turkish. The ISO 639 classification for that language is "ota" ("osm" is not a valid ISO 639 classification).
Category:User mth and Category:User mth-N to Category:User mai and Category:mai-N. These cats are for users who speak Maithili, but "mth" is the classification for Munggui (no wiki article yet), an Indonesian language. "mai" is the classification for Maithili speakers.
Nominator's rationale: To standardize classifications. The Maithili cats are occupying the spot for another language. Horologium t-c 04:04, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:User ith

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The result of the debate was delete. — Carl (CBM · talk) 04:23, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:User ith (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose Delete this cat.
Nominator's rationale: This category is for the constructed language Ithkuil, and is entirely populated by users with ((User ith-0)) on their userpages. Since the article says that nobody can speak the language (rolls eyes) and this is entirely populated with -0 users, I would suggest deleting it outright. Leave the userbox for those who want it (although I don't see the point behind any of the -0 userboxen). FWIW, there is no ISO classification for this language, and "ith" is not a valid ISO classification. Horologium t-c 04:04, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:User ury

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The result of the debate was delete. — Carl (CBM · talk) 04:22, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:User ury (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose Delete this cat.
Nominator's rationale: The userbox reads Uryuomoco is a fictional language in the webcomic El Goonish Shive which actually is a complicated substitution cipher of regular English. There is no article for Uryuomoco, no discussion of the "language" in webcomic's article, and it's not a language but a cipher. "ury" is the ISO classification for another obscure Indonesian language called "Orya" (not Oriya), while "Uryuomoco" is non-notable fancruft. Horologium t-c 04:04, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:User mvs

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The result of the debate was delete. — Carl (CBM · talk) 04:21, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:User mvs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose delete this cat.
Nominator's rationale: this empty cat (only userbox templates) is for users who speak Creek language (Mvskokee in that language). However, the ISO classification for Creek is "mus"; mvs is for the Papuan language Massep. Since there are no users, deleting the cat is the easiest solution. Horologium t-c 04:04, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:User heb and subcat

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The result of the debate was merge. After Midnight 0001 02:18, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:User heb (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) and subcat
Propose Merge Category:User heb and Category:User heb-N to Category:User Hebr-5
Nominator's rationale:Category:User heb and Category:User heb-N are for users who fully understand the Hebrew Alphabet. Category:User Hebr-5 is for users who have full understanding of the Hebrew alphabet. Suggest merging the two heb categories into the Hebr-5 category, which is in Category:Wikipedians by writing system and follows the conventions of that category. Horologium t-c 04:04, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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August 20

Category:Communist Wikipedians

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The result of the debate was delete. After Midnight 0001 16:21, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Communist Wikipedians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete, see discussion of August 10th. -- Prove It (talk) 15:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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August 19

Category:Wikipedians who support non-commercial use images

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The result of the debate was delete. After Midnight 0001 19:13, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who support non-commercial use images (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Wikipedia is not a battleground and it is counterproductive to encourage the formation of formal factions around points of disagreement. This categories does not foster collaboration and there is no reason someone would need to browse through it. Editors who disagree with criterion I3 of the speedy deletion policy should present their arguments to the community at the appropriate place (Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion and Wikipedia talk:Non-free content).

Please note that this discussion is not about censoring dissent or anything of that sort. Editors are welcome to dissent all they want on their userpages and on appropriate discussion pages (the village pump, policy talk pages, user talk pages, and so on).

Please also note precedents for deleting similar categories here, here, here, here and here. There is also ample precedent for deleting any "support/oppose" and "for/against" categories (see e.g. here, here, here, here and here).

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Mozilla Firefox extensions

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The result of the debate was merge. After Midnight 0001 19:11, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

These are categories for users of a single extension of Mozilla Firefox; Category:Mozilla extensions currently includes upward of 50 such extensions. I think these categories are much too narrow in scope to be useful for collaboration. Merely using a particular add-on neither suggests an above-average knowledge of nor an interest in the subject. — Black Falcon (Talk) 22:48, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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August 18

Category:Wikipedian Texas Tech Fans

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The result of the debate was rename. After Midnight 0001 18:58, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Wikipedian Texas Tech Fans to Category:Wikipedian Texas Tech fans
Nominator's rationale: To fix capitalisation. — Black Falcon (Talk) 23:15, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I created the page before I was familiar with the conventions on capitalization. →Wordbuilder 23:45, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Do you support the nominator's original proposal to rename? Horologium t-c 15:17, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedian Tar Heel Fans

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The result of the debate was merge. After Midnight 0001 18:57, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Wikipedian Tar Heel Fans into Category:Wikipedian North Carolina Tar Heels fans
Nominator's rationale: Redundant categories. — Black Falcon (Talk) 23:12, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Do you support the nominator's original proposal to merge the two redundant categories? Horologium t-c 15:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedian UFC Fans

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Wikipedian Ultimate Fighting Championship fans. After Midnight 0001 18:57, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Wikipedian UFC Fans to Category:Wikipedian UFC fans or Category:Wikipedian Ultimate Fighting Championship fans
Nominator's rationale: To fix capitalisation and, perhaps, replace the acronym with the full name. — Black Falcon (Talk) 23:09, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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August 17

Fake Language categories

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The result of the debate was delete all. After Midnight 0001 02:44, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are a number of fake (nonsense or joke) language categories still in existence on Wikipedia (we were not successful in the last purge, since some of them have names that appear at first blush to be legitimate); they should all be terminated. I have grouped them into a single nomination at the request of an admin, to reduce the number of closing actions that will need to be performed.

Category: User law and subcats[edit]
Propose Delete Category: User law, Category: User law-2 and Category: User law-3.
Nominator's rationale: These are joke categories, for users who speak "Legalese". "law" is the ISO 639-3 classification for Lauje, which is spoken by 44,000 people in Indonesia. The silly legalese categories should be deleted from Wikipedia, because they are occupying a space for a legitimate language. Horologium t-c 23:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, actually, it's 19 users, not 38, and every single one of them has one of the two userboxen on their page. Once again, this is a case of appending an inappropriate category to a userbox. There were a lot of users with the asinine l337, Random Babbling, AIM-able and Newspeak categories as well, and I doubt more than a handful even noticed when those categories were killed. None of them ever showed up at DRV. Horologium t-c 02:41, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Just a thought, but we probably shouldn't consider a "lack of action" to necessarily equate to "consensus". - jc37 11:13, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category:User das[edit]
Propose Delete.
Nominator's rationale: These category is for speakers of Dasprach, which is a constructed language that has apparently never had a Wikipedia article, and for which I received on 14 hits on Google, five of which were Wikipedia or mirrors. There is no ISO 639 classification for it, and "das" is the classification for Daho-Doo, which is spoken in West Africa. (It also doesn't have an article of its own, but it is referenced at Kru languages.) Should be deleted since it is misnamed and appears to be totally non-notable. Horologium t-c 23:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category:User zb[edit]
Propose Delete this cat.
Nominator's rationale: This category is for speakers of Zlatiborian speech, which is a non-existent language which has been deleted twice at VfD; the original discussion was Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Zlatiborian speech. ("zb" is not a valid ISO 639 classification.) I'll not nominate the userbox templates (all five of them) for deletion, although another bold editor might consider it, since the article they reference was deleted two years ago. Horologium t-c 23:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Language Category renames

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The result of the debate was rename all. After Midnight 0001 02:55, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are quite a few langauges in Category:Wikipedians by language which need to be renamed to align with their ISO 639-3 classifications. Since they should not be contentious (I am not asking to delete any of these, only rename them to match), I have consolidated them into a single nomination at the request of an admin, to reduce the number of closing actions that will need to be performed.

Category:User mnl and subcats[edit]
Propose Rename to Category:User dum. Apply same to Category:User mnl-3, and Category:User mnl-4.
Nominator's rationale: These categories are for speakers of Middle Dutch, which is assigned the ISO 639-3 classification of "dum". ("mnl" is the ISO 639-3 classification for the Pacific Island language of Tiala, which doesn't have an article.) Suggest renaming to conform to ISO 639 classification convention. Would also suggest pulling it out of Category:User nl, where it was hidden. It has its own ISO 639 classification, so it should be at the same level as Dutch. Horologium t-c 23:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category:User kb and subcat[edit]
Propose Rename to Category:User krc. Apply same to Category:User kb-N.
Nominator's rationale: These categories are for speakers of Karachay-Balkar, which is assigned the ISO 639-3 classification of "krc". ("kb" is not a valid ISO 639 classification.) Suggest renaming to conform to ISO 639 classification convention. Horologium t-c 23:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category:User cj[edit]
Propose Rename to Category:User chn.
Nominator's rationale: This category is for speakers of Chinook Jargon, which is assigned the ISO 639-3 classification of "chn". ("cj" is not a valid ISO 639 classification.) Suggest renaming to conform to ISO 639 classification convention. Horologium t-c 23:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category:User ma and subcats[edit]
Propose Rename to Category:User arz. Apply same to Category:User ma-1, Category:User ma-2, Category:User ma-3, Category:User ma-4, and Category:User ma-N.
Nominator's rationale: These categories are for speakers of Egyptian Arabic (Masri), which is assigned the ISO 639-3 classification of "arz". ("ma" is not a valid ISO 639 classification.) Suggest renaming to conform to ISO 639 classification convention. Horologium t-c 23:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category:User ly and subcats[edit]
Propose Rename to Category:User ayl. Apply same to Category:User ly-1, Category:User ly-2, Category:User ly-3, Category:User ly-4, and Category:User ly-N.
Nominator's rationale: These categories are for speakers of Libyan Arabic, which is assigned the ISO 639-3 classification of "ayl". ("ly" is not a valid ISO 639 classification.) Suggest renaming to conform to ISO 639 classification convention. Horologium t-c 23:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category:User lk and subcats[edit]
Propose Rename to Category:User lak. Apply same to Category:User lk-1, Category:User lk-2, and Category:User lk-3.
Nominator's rationale: These categories are for speakers of Lakota, which is assigned the ISO 639-3 classification of "lak". ("lk" is not a valid ISO 639 classification.) Suggest renaming to conform to ISO 639 classification convention. Horologium t-c 23:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(outdent) There were a total of nine renames that I have found (I added two more tonight, and am debating how to handle the last), and a few more that are non-ISO for deletion (I'll add them tomorrow evening). That is out of 273 categories in Category:Wikipedians by language, which argues extremely strongly that the ISO classifications are the standard. Of course, the banner at the top of the Category:Wikipedians by language page reads Most of these are identified by short ISO 639 names, but we'll ignore that for now and just work with the numbers we have. Horologium t-c 04:18, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We would have to I suppose, since the issue centers mainly around those languages which don't have short ISO 639 names, hence the need for disambiguation. Of course, I wish there had been 639-3 codes that were not as ambiguous for these languages. The codes can also be contradictory at times -- one of your examples, Black Falcon, Neapolitan, has the code "nap" because it more closely corresponds to the native name of the language napulitano. On the other hand, Finnish, whose endonym is suomi, gets the English value "fi". In any event, since this is not an MoS style, maybe we should just leave it as "no consensus"? Otherwise, if userspace language categories are going to more strictly follow ISO classifications, it would be nice to have a more specific MoS guideline to work with. — Zerida 06:38, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't be opposed to incorporating ISO codes into the Manual of Style. However, I'm not sure that it's necessary to create or modify a guideline for only 9 categories. I do agree with you that the 639-3 codes are at times ambiguous but still feel that having a mixed (i.e. unstandardised) system would only be cause for more ambiguity and confusion. Since we all seem to agree that standardisation is beneficial, it's only a matter of choosing a particular standard. Given that over 95% of categories use ISO codes, I think renaming the deviant cases to conform to ISO will, if nothing else, be the least troublesome option. Moreover, if actual practice is any indication of consensus in this case (and it isn't in all cases), then ISO 639 has significant support. — Black Falcon (Talk) 17:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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-N level categories

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The result of the debate was delete both. It appears that users have already been moved to the respective -4 categories. After Midnight 0001 12:34, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

These two categories are for -N (native speakers) of languages that are not appropriate targets. I have consolidated them into a single nomination at the request of an admin to reduce the number of required closing actions.

Category:User ang-N[edit]
Propose Delete.
Nominator's rationale: This is a -N category for Old English, a language which has been dead for over 800 years. Anyone who speaks this language as a native language probably doesn't reflect in mirrors, and certainly wouldn't be contributing to Wikipedia. This (apparent) joke category should be deleted. Horologium t-c 23:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment How about this CfD, which closed as "delete"? That's grounds for a speedy, if I recall correctly. Additionally, I don't think that any of the users actively intended to have the -N category appended, as all of them are using the "basic" (no number) userbox; there are no users who have the -N userbox on their page. Horologium t-c 03:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wasn't much of a "debate", and Consensus can change, after all. Neither do I think that this is a "joke" category. However, that said... - jc37 11:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm not averse to modifying ANY of the templates/userboxen that would be relevant to my nominations. It only takes a few seconds to change each; I could change all of my noms (assuming they are approved) in less than an hour. Changing the templates to match the categories is almost a given, although I admit I hadn't thought about it until now. I would suggest, however, that the category be depopulated prior to the name change, and have the handful of users in the cat select which of the remaining cats to move to (User ang-1, -2, -3, or -4). It's-is-not-a-genitive has already stated that he(?) wishes to belong to ang-4, which can be arranged as well. I will notify the seven users on their talk pages if this is approved. Horologium t-c 17:16, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I can only go by what Wikipedia and other sources say, and they all say that it is extinct, supplanted by Middle English in the 12th century. As to a "native speaker", unless you spoke the language on a daily basis, I doubt that you qualify as a native speaker, and for what it is worth, you list yourself as a native speaker of 20 languages on your userpage, which is ludicrous. You may have a good deal of knowledge of them; you might even be able to contribute to the project in at a near-native level in many of them, but there is absolutely no way that you can be a native speaker of all of them, especially at the ripe old age of 25. Horologium t-c 02:16, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I fully agree. If we can get a consensus to change it to ang-4, I will have no problem. As I noted, I can easily modify the userbox to reflect the change, and we won't need to depopulate the cat, since it appears that a significant portion of the users have weighed in. Horologium t-c 00:15, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Considering there are some places in England that have been almost completely unchanged since the dark ages, there are native speakers of anglo-saxon.—Preceding unsigned comment added by GowsiPowsi (talkcontribs) 11:47, 23 August 2007

Category:User tokipona-N[edit]
Propose Delete.
Nominator's rationale: This is a -N category for Tokipona, a constructed language first introduced in 2001. It's not going to be a native language for anyone over the age of 8 or so, and as a language of precisely 118 words, it is highly unlikely that anyone will ever be a native speaker of the language, including its creator. While I question the utility of the other cats, I am not proposing their deletion, especially considering the tumultuous history behind the main article for this language. As a side note, someone who is skilled with tweaking userbox templates might consider adding a link to the main article for all of the templates for this language, as there is none at present, only links to the category pages. Horologium t-c 23:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:User bu and subcat

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The result of the debate was Delete - I very nearly closed this as: Merge/Rename to Category:Wikipedians who speak Bunjevac, which would address all the concerns below, and still retain the cat for Wikipedian use. (I have to mention that it would have been nice if the related article had some references that weren't all in foreign languages, not to mention most of the article's talk page...) Anyway, I'm closing this as delete, mainly because both cats are entirely populated from the same userbox and each resulting category has only (the same) 2 members. - jc37 07:47, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose Delete or Merge Category:User bu and Category:User bu-4, to Category:User sr or Category:User hr.
Nominator's rationale: These two cats are for speakers of Bunjevac language, a Latin-alphabet based dialect of Serbian or Croatian spoken in parts of Serbia and Croatia. There is no ISO 639 classification for it, and it holds no official status anywhere. The external link on the Bunjevac language page is to a wordpress-powered blog, so I'm not sure of how much stock should be put into the claims of the article. My first choice would be to delete this pair of cats, but a merge to either Serbian (User sr) or Croatian (User hr) would be acceptable. ("bu" is not a valid ISO 639 classification.) Horologium t-c 23:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:User sv-ros

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The result of the debate was rename. Recategorize as needed. After Midnight 0001 13:10, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose Rename Category:User sv-ros as Category:Wikipedians who play Rövarspråket, as a subcategory of either Category:Wikipedians interested in games or Category:Wikipedians interested in linguistics.
Nominator's rationale: This category is for people who play Rövarspråket, a Swedish language game. It sounds interesting enough, but it's not something that should be in the language category, particularly under Category:Wikipedians by constructed language, which is where it currently resides. Moving it to an appropriate parent category is easy enough, but it should be renamed to eliminate the possibility of it migrating back into the languages category, where it doesn't belong. Horologium t-c 23:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:User crs and subcat

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The result of the debate was rename both to Category:Wikipedians who understand Cockney rhyming slang. After Midnight 0001 13:14, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose Delete Category:User crs and Category:User crs-4.
Nominator's rationale: These categories are for speakers of Cockney rhyming slang, which is not a language or dialect as such, but rather jargon or slang (thus the name). It may not be intelligible to outsiders, but military jargon, "l337" slang or medical terminology are equally impenetrable, but not languages. There is no ISO 639 classification for it, and "crs" is the classification for Seselwa Creole French, which is spoken in the Seychelles. Should be deleted since it is misnamed and is displacing a valid, Wikipedia-listed language. Horologium t-c 23:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:User er and subcats

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The result of the debate was rename all (but delete -N). After Midnight 0001 13:38, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose Rename or Delete to Category:User eur. Subcats, if retained, should be renamed as Category:User eur-1, Category:User eur-2, Category:User eur-3, and Category:User eur-4. Category:er-N should be Deleted under any circumstances.
Nominator's rationale: These categories are for speakers of the constructed language Europanto, which was created as a joke by an EU bureaucrat. Shockingly, Ethnologue has an entry for it, and has assigned it the ISO 639-3 classification of "eur". ("er" is not a valid ISO 639 category.) My first instinct is to incinerate it, but I'm willing to accept any valid arguments advanced to retain it. However, it should be renamed to follow the ISO 639-3 naming convention, and the ludicrous -N category should be deleted, as it is not a native language for anyone. <Crossing fingers and hoping we don't end up with the linguistic analogue of the Flying Spaghetti Monster category debate.> Horologium t-c 23:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:User tu

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The result of the debate was merge. — Black Falcon (Talk) 19:33, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose Merge to Category:User tcy.
Nominator's rationale: This category is for speakers of Tulu, which is assigned the ISO 639-3 classification of "tcy". ("tu" is not a valid ISO 639 classification.) The properly named category is already extant on Wikipedia, so it's a simple merge, as opposed to a rename.Suggest renaming to conform to ISO 639 classification convention. Horologium t-c 23:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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British English dialects

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The result of the debate was delete all. After Midnight 0001 13:48, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose Delete or Merge Category:User ScE, Category:User en-gb-mcr, and Category:User en-gb-tyn to Category:User en-gb.
Nominator's rationale: This grab bag of regional UK dialects is totally unnecessary. Mancunian (which is a redirect to Manchester), Scouse, and Geordie is overkill. Merge them into the main en-gb category or delete them outright, but make them go away. Note that this nomination does NOT include the ISO 639-3 recognized sco (Scots), only the unrecognized local dialects for Manchester, Liverpool, and Newcastle. The Cockney Rhyming Slang cats are also a separate nomination, because of a naming issue with them. Horologium t-c 23:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge suggestion stricken, now support outright deletion only, as per jc37. Horologium t-c 20:08, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:User Mixed English

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The result of the debate was delete. — Black Falcon (Talk) 19:44, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose Delete Category:User Mixed English.
Nominator's Rationale: This is yet another English subcategory that has no real function. To quote the userbox: These users have been influenced by too many dialects of English to use one orthography, vocabulary and grammar consistently. It's vaguely interesting, but not really notable. Like the EFFP, Lazy English and en-oed categories, it doesn't really facilitate collaboration, as it's another category that other users will not search if looking for assistance. Horologium t-c 23:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:User en-oed

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The result of the debate was delete. — Black Falcon (Talk) 19:46, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose Delete Category:User en-oed.
Nominator's Rationale: This is yet another English subcategory that has no real function. To quote the userbox: These users prefer Oxford spelling of the English language. It's vaguely interesting, but not really notable. Like the EFFP, Lazy English and Mixed English categories, it doesn't really facilitate collaboration, as it's another category that other users will not search if looking for assistance. Horologium t-c 23:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians interested in watching sports

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The result of the debate was rename and depopulate non-subcats. After Midnight 0001 13:58, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians interested in watching sports (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Wikipedia is not ESPN or Eurosport. A category for users interested in watching sports generally is far too broad to be useful in terms of fostering collaboration (putting aside questions over whether merely watching something implies an encyclopedic interest in it). In addition, none of the subcategories seem to have any direct relevance to an interest in watching sports. Please note that this nomination does not extend to any of the subcategories.

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Category:User languages-N

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The result of the debate was delete. After Midnight 0001 14:06, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:User languages-N (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Note: This nomination also includes Category:User languages-1 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This is a parent category for categories of native speakers of individual languages, all of which are already categorised elsewhere. It was created in early 2006 to supplement Category:User languages by level, a categorisation scheme that was abandoned a few months later. Categories for other levels were either never created or eventually deleted.

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Category:Maruti Users

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The result of the debate was Delete - If there was an organised grouping of Wikipedians by car manufacturer (similar to Category:Wikipedians by video game)... But there isn't. No prejudice against the possibility of such a system in the future. - jc37 06:54, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Maruti Users (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This category for users who drive vehicles produced by Maruti Udyog does not foster collaboration. Merely driving a particular type of vehicle implies neither an interest in the subject nor an ability to contribute encyclopedic knowledge about it.

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Category:Proofreaders al-en

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The result of the debate was speedy delete per CSD C1 (see diff) and CSD G7 (see User talk:Ryangibsonstewart#Albanian proofreader/translator categories). — Black Falcon (Talk) 17:36, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Proofreaders al-en (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: This category uses the incorrect ISO 639 code for the Albanian language. I've already boldly created the proper category (Category:Proofreaders sq-en) with the appropriate template to prevent subpage issues. Just making sure there are no unforeseen objections. --- RockMFR 05:45, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Translators al-en

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The result of the debate was speedy delete per CSD C1 (see diff) and CSD G7 (see User talk:Ryangibsonstewart#Albanian proofreader/translator categories). — Black Falcon (Talk) 17:37, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Translators al-en (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: This category uses the incorrect ISO 639 code for the Albanian language. I've already boldly created the proper category (Category:Translators sq-en) with the appropriate template to prevent subpage issues. Just making sure there are no unforeseen objections. --- RockMFR 05:45, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:User EFFP

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The result of the debate was delete. After Midnight 0001 14:25, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose Delete Category:User EFFP.
Nominator's Rationale: This category is for editors whose "English is Far From Perfect". It's a variation of the LE category, but does not imply the carelessness of that category. Nonetheless, it's not useful for collaboration; there is no reason someone would look through a category for someone with substandard English skills for collaborative efforts. Horologium t-c 02:05, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:User LE and subcats

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The result of the debate was delete all. — Black Falcon (Talk) 19:13, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose Delete Category:User LE and its subcats Category:User LE-2, Category:User en-L-1, Category:User en-L-3, Category:User en-L-4, Category:User en-L-5, and Category:User en-L-X.
Nominator's rationale: These cats are "Lazy English" cats, for those who can't be bothered with the niceties of grammar such as spelling and punctuation. They do nothing to further collaboration, and indirectly encourage a lack of editing standards. Horologium t-c 02:00, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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American regional dialects

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The result of the debate was delete all. After Midnight 0001 14:29, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose Delete or Merge Category:User SoE, Category:User SoE-N, Category:User NE, Category:User NYC en, Category:User en-us-ca, Category:User AmE-CVS, Category:User en-ap-1, Category:User en-ap-2, Category:User en-ap-3, Category:User en-ap-4, Category:User en-ap-5, and Category:User en-ap-N to Category:User en-us.
Nominator's rationale: This grab bag of regional US dialects is totally unnecessary. New England, New York City, Californian English (two different cats!) and 6 separate cats for Appalachian English is overkill. Merge them into the main US category or delete them outright, but make them go away. Horologium t-c 01:51, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Merge suggestion stricken, as per argument presented by jc37 and seconded by Black Falcon. No longer support merger, just deletion. Horologium t-c 20:05, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category: User en-au subcats

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The result of the debate was upmerge all. Note that the 2 Aboriginal categories are unused and they can always be changed later. After Midnight 0001 14:39, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose Merge Category:User en-au-1, Category:User en-au-2, Category:User en-au-3, Category:User en-au-4, Category:User en-au-5, Category:User en-au-A, Category:User au-N, and Category:User en-au-N to Category: User en-au.
Nominator's rationale: This category really doesn't need to be babelized. It's nothing more than a dialect of English (not an ISO-659 recognized one at that), and merging them into one category will be sufficient to note that the editor uses Australian English. There is a severe overduplication of categories (which I made easier to see by moving some of the cats around into one parent category. I'd like to delete the whole category outright, but I don't think such a proposal would be supported by the community as a whole. Horologium t-c 01:23, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I also see that Category:User en-au-A has a userbox on the category page that talks about "Aboriginal English" and I see that the one you removed from the nomination Category:User au is populated by a userbox that also populates one of the Australian English categories. This is a complete mess. I suggest that Category:User au-N and Category:User en-au-A be merged into Category:User au and when it is all done, we have a go at cleaning up the various userboxes. --Bduke 05:10, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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"National" dialects of English

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The result of the debate was merge each group as nominated. After Midnight 0001 03:28, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(These were originally nominated separately, but at the request of an admin, I have consolidated them into a single group to reduce the number of required closing actions. I have not included the Australian group, as its comments differ substantially from the rest of the cats.)

These cats are all "national" dialects of English, spoken by inhabitants of entire countries. None of them have ISO 639 classifications, because they are all essentially the same language. As noted in my rationales for each, I'd prefer to delete them outright, but do not believe that such a proposition has sufficient community support at this time. As such, I am simply suggesting merging them into a single category for each country.

Category: User en-gb subcats[edit]
Propose Merge Category:User en-gb-1, Category:User en-gb-2, Category:User en-gb-3, Category:User en-gb-4, Category:User en-gb-5 and Category:User en-gb-N to Category: User en-gb.
Nominator's rationale: This category really doesn't need to be babelized. It's nothing more than the mother form of English (not an ISO-659 recognized separate language), and merging them into one category will be sufficient to note that the editor uses British English. I'd like to delete the whole category outright, but I don't think such a proposal would be supported by the community as a whole. Horologium t-c 01:40, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category: User en-Ire subcats[edit]
Propose Merge Category:User en-Ire-N and Category:User Irish English to Category: User en-Ire.
Nominator's rationale: This category really doesn't need to be babelized. It's nothing more than a dialect of English (not an ISO-659 recognized one at that), and merging them into one category will be sufficient to note that the editor uses Irish English. I'd like to delete the whole category outright, but I don't think such a proposal would be supported by the community as a whole. It might also be a good idea to rename the category as Category:User en-ie (spelling and capitalization) to match the convention used by the rest of the cats in the parent. Horologium t-c 01:36, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category: User en-ca subcats[edit]
Propose Merge Category:User en-ca-1, Category:User en-ca-2, Category:User en-ca-4, and Category:User en-ca-N to Category: User en-ca.
Nominator's rationale: This category really doesn't need to be babelized. It's nothing more than a dialect of English (not an ISO-659 recognized one at that), and merging them into one category will be sufficient to note that the editor uses Canadian English. I'd like to delete the whole category outright, but I don't think such a proposal would be supported by the community as a whole. Horologium t-c 01:26, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category: User en-sg subcats[edit]
Propose Merge Category:User en-sg-1, Category:User en-sg-2, Category:User en-sg-3, Category:User en-sg-4, and Category:User en-sg-N to Category: User en-sg.
Nominator's rationale: This category really doesn't need to be babelized. It's nothing more than a dialect of English (not an ISO-659 recognized one at that), and merging them into one category will be sufficient to note that the editor uses Singaporean English (Singlish). I'd like to delete the whole category outright, but I don't think such a proposal would be supported by the community as a whole. Horologium t-c 01:18, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category: User en-us subcats[edit]
Propose Merge Category:User en-us-1, Category:User en-us-2, Category:User en-us-3, Category:User en-us-4, Category:User en-us-5 and Category:User en-us-N to Category: User en-us.
Nominator's rationale: This category really doesn't need to be babelized. It's nothing more than a dialect of English (not an ISO-659 recognized one at that), and merging them into one category will be sufficient to note that the editor uses American English. I'd like to delete the whole category outright, but I don't think such a proposal would be supported by the community as a whole. Horologium t-c 01:15, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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August 16

Category:Wikipedians who listen to Swing

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The result of the debate was rename. After Midnight 0001 04:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Wikipedians who listen to Swing to Category:Wikipedians who listen to swing music
Nominator's rationale: To fix capitalisation and because "Wikipedians who listen to swing" just doesn't sound ... right. Meh. — Black Falcon (Talk) 00:45, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who listen to Doom Metal

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The result of the debate was rename. After Midnight 0001 04:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Wikipedians who listen to Doom Metal to Category:Wikipedians who listen to doom metal
Nominator's rationale: To fix capitalisation. — Black Falcon (Talk) 00:30, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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August 15

Category:Wikipedians who play Xevious

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The result of the debate was delete all. After Midnight 0001 03:38, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Rename Category:Wikipedians who play the game Xevious to Category:Wikipedians who play Xevious
  • Rename Category:Wikipedians who play Black & White (computer game) to Category:Wikipedians who play Black & White
  • Rename Category:Wikipedians who play the Tony Hawk's Underground Series to Category:Wikipedians who play the Tony Hawk's Underground series
  • Rename Category:Wikipedians who play The Tony Hawk's Pro Skater series to Category:Wikipedians who play the Tony Hawk's Pro Skater series

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, After Midnight 0001 10:22, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who read sci-fi

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The result of the debate was merge. After Midnight 0001 03:29, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest merging Category:Wikipedians who read sci-fi to Category:Wikipedians who read science fiction
Nominator's rationale: The scope of the categories is identical and the title of the latter conforms to the convention used for naming similar categories (e.g. Category:Wikipedians who read alternate history fiction and Category:Wikipedians who read detective fiction). — Black Falcon (Talk) 20:18, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Nonsense. WP:WAX does not mean that WP:NOT#MYSPACE does not apply here as well, for the exact same reasons that it applied to the one I referenced. How exactly does this category existing for wikipedians endorse collaborative writing of an encyclopedia? - Otto42 17:06, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. WP:WAX and other similar arguments are excuses not to think or make a logical argument.--WaltCip 17:20, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Subcats of Category:Wikipedians by photography style

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The result of the debate was rename all. After Midnight 0001 03:27, 22 August 2007 (UTC) [reply]

User categories should always include "User" or "Wikipedian" in their titles, lest they be confused with categories for articles. — Black Falcon (Talk) 02:21, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians who like red foxes

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The result of the debate was delete. After Midnight 0001 01:39, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who like red foxes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

WP:NOT#MYSPACE. This is a category populated by a userbox that reads: "This user likes Red foxes." Merely liking a particular species does not imply either an encyclopedically-relevant interest in, above-average knowledge of, or access to sources about the subject. Consider also the fact that most people will have a liking to one or more creatures (I personally could easily list dozens of species and subspecies that I "like").

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Category:Wikipedians by year of birth

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The result of the debate was delete all. The arguments to keep have not proven collaborative value. After Midnight 0001 01:44, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians by year of birth (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Note: This nomination also includes all subcategories:

Note: I have left a note with AMbot requesting that these 40 categories be tagged.

WP:NOT#MYSPACE and the category namespace is not appropriate for flushing out/supporting personal user profiles. These categories do not foster collaboration and are no more useful than the Wikipedians by generation and Wikipedians in their xxs categories that were recently deleted at CFD (a closure that was upheld at deletion review).

Given that Wikipedians come from so many national, religious, social, and other backgrounds, age cannot inform us about editors' interests. As far as access to sources, the connection is equally tenuous. Access to sources depends on so many other, more important factors. Take profession, for instance. A 70-year-old university professor is more likely to have access to an online journal than a tech-savvy 20-year-old who works in a fast food restaurant. A 20-year-old librarian is more likely to have access to the 1963 issue of a magazine than a 50-year-old construction worker. In addition to profession, there is also nationality, socioeconomic status, place of residence, and topical interest (which is unrelated to age).

A user category is only useful if someone might conceivably browse through it with the intent of contacting someone in the category to ask a question or suggest collaboration on a topic. These categories cannot be useful in that respect. How would you approach someone?

"Hello, you say that you were born in the 50s ... would you like to work on nuclear holocaust? I promise it'll be a blast."
"Dude, you were born in the 60s ... do you have access to any (sources on) cocaine?"
"Hey ... do you, as someone born in the 80s, want to collaborate on terrorism?"
"Yo, you were born in the 90s ... do you want to improve internet pornography?"

In short, I do not believe these categories hold any value, discounting that which may be artificially ascribed to them through stereotyping with regard to interest or what amounts to a hit-and-miss (mostly miss) attempt to connect age with access to sources.

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August 14

Category:Wikipedians who are Triathletes

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The result of the debate was Speedy Rename Category:Wikipedians who are Triathletes to Category:Wikipedian triathletes - jc37 21:05, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Wikipedians who are Triathletes to Category:Wikipedian triathletes
Nominator's rationale: A more efficient formulation (and to fix capitalisation). — Black Falcon (Talk) 22:33, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename as per nom. Could have been a speedy, totally uncontroversial and follows cat naming conventions. Horologium t-c 16:41, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians for anonymous editing

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The result of the debate was delete. After Midnight 0001 19:51, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians for anonymous editing (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Note: This nomination also includes Category:Wikipedians against anonymous editing (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs).

Wikipedia is not a battleground and it is counterproductive to encourage the formation of formal factions around points of disagreement. These categories do not foster collaboration and there is no reason someone would need to browse through them. Editors who agree or disagree with a certain practice, policy, or guideline should present their arguments to the community at the appropriate place (usually the process/policy/guideline talk page).

Please note that this discussion is not about censoring dissent or anything of that sort. Editors are welcome to dissent all they want on their userpages and on appropriate discussion pages (the village pump, policy talk pages, user talk pages, and so on).

Please also note precedents for deleting similar categories here, here, here and here. There is also ample precedent for deleting any "support/oppose" and "for/against" categories (see e.g. here, here, here, here and here).

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City residence categories

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The result of the debate was merge #1, rename#2, delete others. No prejudice against renaming others if/as they get used. After Midnight 0001 19:31, 19 August 2007 (UTC) [reply]

  • Merge Category:Wikipedians who live in Oslo into Category:Wikipedians in Oslo
  • Rename Category:Wikipedians who live in Bakersfield to Category:Wikipedians in Bakersfield
  • Rename Category:Wikipedians who live in Daytona Beach to Category:Wikipedians in Daytona Beach
  • Rename Category:Wikipedians who live in Narva to Category:Wikipedians in Narva
  • Rename Category:Wikipedians who live in Plovdiv to Category:Wikipedians in Plovdiv
  • Rename Category:Wikipedians who live in Sofia to Category:Wikipedians in Sofia
  • Rename Category:Wikipedians who live in Tartu to Category:Wikipedians in Tartu
  • Rename Category:Wikipedians who live in Tempe to Category:Wikipedians in Tempe
  • Rename Category:Wikipedians who live in Varna to Category:Wikipedians in Varna
  • Rename Category:Wikipedians who live in Vila Real to Category:Wikipedians in Vila Real
  • Rename Category:Wikipedians who live in Vilnius to Category:Wikipedians in Vilnius
  • Rename Category:Wikipedians who live in Wenatchee to Category:Wikipedians in Wenatchee

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Category:Wikipedians with Cancer

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The result of the debate was Rename. After Midnight 0001 19:25, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Wikipedians with Cancer to Category:Wikipedians with cancer
Nominator's rationale: To fix capitalisation. In the past month, this category was nominated for deletion, deleted, and restored at DRV; if it is to stay, let's at least fix the title. — Black Falcon (Talk) 16:15, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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August 12

Category:Citizens of Milky Way

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The result of the debate was Earthlings declare independence. Solar System in turmoil. Have a great day, Black Falcon (Talk) 15:53, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Citizens of Milky Way (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This "cute category" does not enforce a means of collaboration, and is all-inclusive. While highly populated, it serves no ultimate purpose. --WaltCip 02:29, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Someone just queried me as to whether my rationale "highly populated, it serves no ultimate purpose" addressed the category, or the galaxy itself. I'll leave you Wikiphilosophers to make your own decision on that.
WP:SNOW, anyone?--Ramdrake 19:34, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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August 11

Category:Wikipedians in Zhejiang China

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The result of the debate was keep. Category is valid. If you don't want the member to be in it that is another fight that doesn't belong here. If you convince the user to leave the category, this can be C1'ed. After Midnight 0001 17:18, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians in Zhejiang China (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This is a userbox-populated category that includes only one user (see contribs). The text of the userbox reads "This user is from Zhejiang, China" and the creator's userpage confirms that he does not currently reside in Zhejiang. Thus, despite its name, this is a "Wikipedians from ..." (i.e. a "by origin" category). Such categories do not foster collaboration and only serve to reduce (by introducing ambiguity and clutter) the overall usefulness of actual "Wikipedians in ..." categories, which can aid collaboration. The userbox (Template:User Zhejiang) should be modified to remove all user categorisation.

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Wikipedians by fraternity and sorority, part 2

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The result of the debate was delete all. After Midnight 0001 16:17, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This nomination includes Category:Wikipedians in Chi Phi, Category:Wikipedians in Phi Sigma Alpha, Category:Wikipedians in Theta Tau, Category:Wikipedians in Zeta Psi, Category:Wikipedians in Zeta Mu Gamma

Category:Wikipedians by fraternity and sorority and all its subcats were deleted per a recent deletion discussion. These five categories were left out of the previous nomination due to the fact that they were not properly categorised.

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Category:Wikipedians in WikiProject Oriental Orthodoxy

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:WikiProject Oriental Orthodoxy members. After Midnight 0001 16:10, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Wikipedians in WikiProject Oriental Orthodoxy to Category:WikiProject Oriental Orthodoxy members or Category:WikiProject Oriental Orthodoxy participants
Nominator's rationale: Per the convention of Category:Wikipedians by WikiProject. I have notified the creator to see which suggested target ("members" or "participants") the WikiProject prefers. — Black Falcon (Talk) 19:46, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
And he is grateful. Personally, I prefer "members", but am also notifying all the others who use the box so that they can express their opinions as well. John Carter 20:08, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians in Northern New York

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The result of the debate was merge. After Midnight 0001 15:52, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Wikipedians in Northern New York into Category:Wikipedians in Upstate New York
Nominator's rationale: The categories are redundant in scope, but "Upstate New York", as opposed to "Northern New York", refers to a relatively well-defined area. — Black Falcon (Talk) 19:36, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians contributing to Open Source

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The result of the debate was delete. After Midnight 0001 15:48, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians contributing to Open Source (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I am under the impression that the MediaWiki software is open source, which would make this category all-inclusive. Even if I'm wrong, a general category for users who contribute open source projects (a paraphrasing of the userbox) is too broad/vague, as this category will include editors of most websites that use the wiki software. Moreover, no information is given about what their "contribution" involves (is it research, creating images, fixing typos, none of the above, ...?) or how it is relevant to collaboration on Wikipedia.

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Category:Wikipedians contributing to OpenStreetMap

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The result of the debate was rename. After Midnight 0001 16:32, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Wikipedians contributing to OpenStreetMap to Category:Wikipedians who contribute to OpenStreetMap
Nominator's rationale: Per the convention of Category:Wikipedians by website. I think that this is one of the few "by website" categories that may actually foster collaboration since people who contribue to OpenStreetMap (as opposed to merely using it) are involved in the creation of free street maps, which can be used in Wikipedia articles. — Black Falcon (Talk) 18:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians looking forward to video games

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The result of the debate was delete. After Midnight 0001 15:45, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians looking forward to video games (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This is a category for users who are "looking forward to" the release of one or more upcoming video games. A vague expression of anticipation for the release of an unspecified product does not foster collaboration. There is no reason someone might need to look through the category (Category:Wikipedians by video game already contains subcategories for specific and existing games).

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Category:Wikipedians living in Tampere

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The result of the debate was delete. No prejudice against recreation per convention if/when populated. After Midnight 0001 15:44, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Wikipedians living in Tampere to Category:Wikipedians in Tampere
Nominator's rationale: Per the convention of Category:Wikipedians by location. Since the category currently contains no users, it may be appropriate to simply delete it without prejudice to future recreation.
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Subcats of Category:Wikipedian mathematicians

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The result of the debate was rename. After Midnight 0001 17:20, 18 August 2007 (UTC) [reply]

There is no need for the title to specify a subpage. — Black Falcon (Talk) 02:29, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedian jodoka

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The result of the debate was keep per jc37. After Midnight 0001 15:40, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Wikipedian jodoka into Category:Wikipedian judoka
Nominator's rationale: The scope of the categories is identical. — Black Falcon (Talk) 00:47, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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August 10

Category:Wikipedian Wahyanites

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The result of the debate was delete. No prejudice against creating a proper alma mater category if it can distinguish the correct college. After Midnight 0001 00:51, 18 August 2007 (UTC) This is a category for Wikipedians who attended Wah Yan College, Hong Kong or Wah Yan College, Kowloon. Given this ambiguity, it may be appropriate to delete the category. If deletion is not the optimal course of action, then rename to Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Wah Yan College per the convention of Category:Wikipedians by alma mater. — Black Falcon (Talk) 23:24, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedian Type Designers

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Wikipedian type designers. After Midnight 0001 00:33, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Wikipedian Type Designers to Category:Wikipedian type designers or Category:Wikipedian typeface designers
Nominator's rationale: To fix capitalisation, although I'm not certain whether "type designer" or "typeface designer" is more appropriate. This should also be made a subcategory of either Category:Wikipedians by profession or Category:Wikipedians by skill; again, I'm not sure which is more appropriate. — Black Falcon (Talk) 23:00, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedian Toastmasters

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The result of the debate was rename. After Midnight 0001 00:33, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Wikipedian Toastmasters to Category:Wikipedian in Toastmasters International
Nominator's rationale: Per the convention of Category:Wikipedians by organization. The current title is a little confusing ... at first glance I thought it was a "skill" category. — Black Falcon (Talk) 22:51, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedian Salsa dancers

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The result of the debate was rename. After Midnight 0001 00:33, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Wikipedian Salsa dancers to Category:Wikipedian salsa dancers
Nominator's rationale: To fix capitalisation. — Black Falcon (Talk) 22:43, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedian Shakuhachi players

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The result of the debate was rename. After Midnight 0001 00:33, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Wikipedian Shakuhachi players to Category:Wikipedian shakuhachi players
Nominator's rationale: To fix capitalisation. It may also be worthwhile to consider the overall usefulness/need for the category. — Black Falcon (Talk) 22:41, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedian RollerGirls

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The result of the debate was delete. After Midnight 0001 00:09, 18 August 2007 (UTC) Wikipedia is not a social networking site. This is a category for Wikipedians "who play roller derby in its current all-girl, (mostly) flat-track form". As such, its scope is too narrow to be useful. If kept, it should be renamed to ... something.[reply]

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Category:Wikipedian Rowers

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The result of the debate was rename. After Midnight 0001 00:09, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Wikipedian Rowers to Category:Wikipedian rowers
Nominator's rationale: To fix capitalisation. A more general evaluation of the usefulness of the category may also be called for. — Black Falcon (Talk) 22:23, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedian PhD candidates

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The result of the debate was merge. After Midnight 0001 00:09, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Wikipedian PhD candidates into Category:Wikipedian graduate students
Nominator's rationale: In terms of encyclopedic collaboration, there is nothing special about being a "candidate" for a degree. We already have categories for degree-holders (see Category:Wikipedians by degree), so this type of "candidate" category is unneeded. — Black Falcon (Talk) 22:03, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedian NAVA members

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The result of the debate was rename. After Midnight 0001 00:09, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Wikipedian NAVA members to Category:Wikipedians in the North American Vexillological Association
Nominator's rationale: Per the convention of Category:Wikipedians by organization. — Black Falcon (Talk) 21:49, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedian National Audubon Society Members

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The result of the debate was move both to Category:Wikipedians in the National Audubon Society. After Midnight 0001 00:01, 18 August 2007 (UTC) Rename Category:Wikipedian National Audubon Society Members to Category:Wikipedians in the National Audubon Society[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Per the convention of Category:Wikipedians by organization.

Merge Category:Wikipedian National Audubon Society Donators into Category:Wikipedians in the National Audubon Society, or delete

Nominator's rationale: Wikipedia is not a social networking/recognition site, especially for other organisations. This userbox-populated category for Wikipedians who are donors to the National Audubon Society serves no collaborative purpose.
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Category:Wikipedian LGBT community

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The result of the debate was delete. After Midnight 0001 03:03, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not a social networking site. This is a category for Wikipedians who "are proud to be connected with the LGBT community in some way". The category says nothing about the sexual orientation, editing interests, or subject expertise of its members. It just says that these people are "proud" to be somehow connected with the LGBT community, which may refer to having an LGBT relative, friend, employer/employee, neighbour, teacher/student, and so on. It is essentially a "Wikipedians who are proud to be ..." category.

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Category:Wikipedian Mountain bikers

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The result of the debate was rename. After Midnight 0001 22:31, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Wikipedian Mountain bikers to Category:Wikipedian mountain bikers
Nominator's rationale: To fix capitalisation. Given the relatively narrow scope of the category and the fact that it contains only one user (who already appears in the parent category), I wonder whether deletion is a more appropriate course of action. — Black Falcon (Talk) 20:57, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedian Electronics and Telecommunication students

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The result of the debate was delete. After Midnight 0001 22:30, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is a category for Wikipedians who are electronics and telecommunication students. I propose that we either delete it for having too narrow a scope or rename it to Category:Wikipedian electronics and telecommunication students or Category:Wikipedian electronics and telecommunications students. — Black Falcon (Talk) 20:41, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedian D-Star users

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The result of the debate was delete. After Midnight 0001 03:03, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can tell, this is a category for Wikipedians whose radios are D-STAR compatible, D-STAR being "a digital voice and data protocol specification" for radios. Regardless of the category's purpose, I think it is too narrow in scope to be very useful. If kept, the category should be renamed to Category:Wikipedians who use D-STAR.

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Category:Wikipedian WikiCurmudgeons

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The result of the debate was delete. After Midnight 0001 03:03, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This nomination also includes Category:Wikipedia WikiCurmudgeons and Category:Wikipedian Curmudgeons, which redirect to the main category.

This is a category for editors who have "become annoyed, concerned, exasperated or bemused in observing the many behaviorial quirks of the Wikipedia Community and its various subgroups". Thus, it has no collaborative potential. It is fine as a userbox or as text on a userpage, but a category is unneeded.

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Category:Wikipedian Crystallographers

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The result of the debate was rename. After Midnight 0001 02:40, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Wikipedian Crystallographers to Category:Wikipedian crystallographers
Nominator's rationale: To fix capitalisation. It may also be appropriate to move this out of the "by skill" category and into the "by profession" category. — Black Falcon (Talk) 19:02, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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